Battle shoots too many 3s

[Millhouse]

Can't have a guy under 32% shooting this many. I know someone has to shoot and there aren't many options. It's going to be tough to keep up with teams that can shoot at all

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[StCuse315]

The problem is he misses too many 3's.

 

[Townie72]

Didn't you just answer your own question in that post? ("I know someone has to shoot and there aren't many options".)

 

[Brooky03]

31% Isn't exactly on a large sample. He shot 37% last season and 35% for his career. Slumps happen.

Not a great thread.

 

[Millhouse]

Didn't you just answer your own question in that post? ("I know someone has to shoot and there aren't many options".)

they don't have to be 3 pointers

 

[AZOrange]

What’s his 2p%?

 

[Spock344]

The real problem is that the team plays streetball, showing zero resemblence of an offense. 0. Just look at our 3 assists last game. It's sad to think that passing the ball back n forth (as if they are merely playing catch around the key) is considered "offense" and then it's back to 1-on-1 when the shot clock gets low. Battle's shots are highly contested, which would account for a lower %.
Jimmy needs to show some interest and create plays. Fake it. At least attempt to run a set. What the F are the the bigs doing in practice if they aren't a part of the offense in any fashion? And if you say they aren't very good, then that's on recruiting/coaching/development. Do the bigs merely catch the ball in practice and wet themselves, not knowing what to do, and then pass back out to a guard. Is there even a reason for them to attend practice?

 

[br801]

31% Isn't exactly on a large sample. He shot 37% last season and 35% for his career. Slumps happen.

Not a great thread.

And hot streaks. Howard was well under 30% from deep until the last four games. Now he's over 38% on the season.

 

[Townie72]

they don't have to be 3 pointers

There's a reason the mid-range jumper is almost disappeared from basketball and it has to do with the associated risk-reward. If he's a 35% 3-pt shooter he'd score 21 pts shooting 20 times. He'd have to be better than a 50% shooter from closer in to improve on that 21-point result.

 

[Vorony]

31% Isn't exactly on a large sample. He shot 37% last season and 35% for his career. Slumps happen.

Not a great thread.

We're 17 games into a 31 game season, and it's based on 117 attempts. Statistically speaking, that's a relevant enough sample size. Unless he shoots lights out for the next 14 games or drastically cuts down on his attempts, that percentage isn't changing much.

 

[Townie72]

What’s his 2p%?

The problem with 2pt % is that it includes lay-ups in transition and from driving the lane, floaters, put-backs, tip-ins, etc. The real comparison would between the 3 pt percent and the percent on 12 to 18 ft jumpers which doesn't exist.

 

[Brooky03]

We're 17 games into a 31 game season, and it's based on 117 attempts. Statistically speaking, that's a relevant enough sample size. Unless he shoots lights out for the next 14 games or drastically cuts down on his attempts, that percentage isn't changing much.

Not the case. He wouldn't have to go Steph Curry on everyone to get that percentage up to 33-34%.

 

[Townie72]

The real problem is that the team plays streetball, showing zero resemblence of an offense. 0. Just look at our 3 assists last game. It's sad to think that passing the ball back n forth (as if they are merely playing catch around the key) is considered "offense" and then it's back to 1-on-1 when the shot clock gets low. Battle's shots are highly contested, which would account for a lower %.
Jimmy needs to show some interest and create plays. Fake it. At least attempt to run a set. What the are the the bigs doing in practice if they aren't a part of the offense in any fashion? And if you say they aren't very good, then that's on recruiting/coaching/development. Do the bigs merely catch the ball in practice and wet themselves, not knowing what to do, and then pass back out to a guard. Is there even a reason for them to attend practice?

I agree and disagree.

That battle's shots are contested is absolutely correct and as it becomes even more clear that Battle is the key to out offense, he's going to get more attention.

But running plays to get good shots doesn't seem to be the answer because the team can't make open shots. That's essentially what all this driving to the basket is all about under the assumption that anyone can make a layup.

 

[Cheriehoop]

I agree and disagree.

That battle's shots are contested is absolutely correct and as it becomes even more clear that Battle is the key to out offense, he's going to get more attention.

But running plays to get good shots doesn't seem to be the answer because the team can't make open shots. That's essentially what all this driving to the basket is all about under the assumption that anyone can make a layup.

or get fouled

 

[UnknownOrange]

Not the case. He wouldn't have to go Steph Curry on everyone to get that percentage up to 33-34%.

34% isn't good either lol. Better than 31% but yikes.

We had 3 guys last year (Lydon, White, Gillon) go 39.5, 40.3, and 41.9 from 3. If we had three guys do that on this current team we'd probably be undefeated

 

[Vorony]

Not the case. He wouldn't have to go Steph Curry on everyone to get that percentage up to 33-34%.

Agree with that, but that's still not a good percentage. Especially for a player that most on this board have as a lock for the draft after this season as an NBA SG. I'm pulling for the guy to break out of this slump and expand his game in the remaining 14 games here, but he's not doing himself any favors right now if he's still thinking NBA after this season.

 

[Townie72]

or get fouled

Right.

Lots of good things happen when you take the ball to the hoop. You can score, you can score and get fouled, you can dish and that person can score or score and get fouled, or you can kick-out to a shooter and the more fouls those inside opponents get the more cautious and less aggressive they become. (When GU F Derrickson fouled out it was the turning point in the game)

Driving to the basket --- which has become our defacto main strategy --- is a good idea.

Of course, you have to make the lay-ups.

 

[Millhouse]

There's a reason the mid-range jumper is almost disappeared from basketball and it has to do with the associated risk-reward. If he's a 35% 3-pt shooter he'd score 21 pts shooting 20 times. He'd have to be better than a 50% shooter from closer in to improve on that 21-point result.

He's not 35%

 

[Townie72]

He's not 35%

Than adjust the percentages. You're a smart guy. You get the point.

The number we are missing is the 2pt percentages on 15 t0 17 foot shots.

 

[Brooky03]

34% isn't good either lol. Better than 31% but yikes.

We had 3 guys last year (Lydon, White, Gillon) go 39.5, 40.3, and 41.9 from 3. If we had three guys do that on this current team we'd probably be undefeated

34% is the benchmark for whether or not a guy can shoot as many 3's as he wishes.

 

[Brooky03]

Agree with that, but that's still not a good percentage. Especially for a player that most on this board have as a lock for the draft after this season as an NBA SG. I'm pulling for the guy to break out of this slump and expand his game in the remaining 14 games here, but he's not doing himself any favors right now if he's still thinking NBA after this season.

I wasn't saying it was a great percentage. That's the mark that determines whether or not it's a good idea for a guy to shoot 3's, though.

 

[scottynguyen]

It's all relative. With better teammates I believe Battle would be shooting more efficiently. When you are forced to play 3 on 5 subsequently your percentages will take a dip bc opposing defenses have a much easier time keying in on you.

 

[UnknownOrange]

34% is the benchmark for whether or not a guy can shoot as many 3's as he wishes.

I must have missed that in the handbook. I'd prefer battle shoots 4 a game and drives more. Not shoot "as many three's as he wishes" if he's only going to make 34%

 

[br801]

It's all relative. With better teammates I believe Battle would be shooting more efficiently. When you are forced to play 3 on 5 subsequently your percentages will take a dip bc opposing defenses have a much easier time keying in on you.

That's likely, and he'd probably be shooting fewer threes if this team had more legitimate deep threats. Brissett's 3-point shot is a work in progress and Howard has only recently started hitting the shot consistently. Battle is this team's volume deep shooter by default, so I'm not going to kill him for his performance to date.

 

[Fly Rodder]

To get to 34%, he'd have to shoot ~36.9% for the rest of the season. He can do that.