BC's QB Anthony Brown

[qdawgg]

How many steps do you get? I could see and the ref could see and he could see that the ball was released.

Stop replying to my posts until you watch the replay again. Thank you.

 

[SU in Hershey]

In the NFL, it clearly would've been, no questions asked. From just watching the play live, and the re-play, it appeared clear that that #42 (who hasn't missed too many meals) purposely wanted to make sure his rotund body cemented him into that cold turf. Even when the lard got up, he implanted his chest and used it against Brown's body.

The first game of the NFL season this year when the Browns played the Steelers, Myles Garrett almost sacked Big Ben, but Ben got rid of the ball just a moment sooner. Garrett's body partially landed on top of Ben, which there was really no way to avoid it by the specific angle Garrett was on in route to getting to Ben, and Garrett got flagged for unnecessary roughness.

In comparing the two, last night's was night and day different, with last night's seemingly being considerably more egregious.

I was watching that game (Pitt v Cleveland) as well and thought this protection thing has gone too far. With BC's Brown, there is NO penalty (an egregious no call) and therefore no protection or warning to others for doing the same thing. Somewhere between the two lies a measure of appropriate officiating.

One more thing. The kids NOT getting protected (the student athletes) are the ones not getting paid to put themselves in harms way. And I am talking about the 95% (or whatever the figure is; it's probably much higher) of kids who are doing this for fun, love of the game, and to get an education. I don't want this to devolve into a pay for play/value of a scholarship, etc. debate, as I don't feel it is relevant to my point as I would include all athletes at the DI, DII and DIII levels.

Sorry for the mini rant...just working on my first cup of coffee,.

 

[qdawgg]

How many steps do you get? I could see and the ref could see and he could see that the ball was released.

Run full steam from 10 - 15 yards away towards your television. 1 - 2 steps before you get to your television, while your shoulders are lowered getting ready to tackle your TV, come to a complete stop. Have someone take a video for us so we can authenticate.

 

[SU in Hershey]

Odd how the nfl protects grown men multi millionaires more the college kids are protected

I didn't see this when I replied to an earlier post...but, my sentiments exactly.

 

[MadNY3]

Penalties are in place in order to make players err to the side of safety. So guys don't end up in the hospital with life threatening injuries.

It was not a dirty play at all, IMO.

 

[orangecuse]

It was not a dirty play at all, IMO.

Dirty and unnecessary roughness are not synonymous in the absolute. Just because it may not have been "dirty" does not mean a flag for unnecessary roughness should've/could've been thrown.

 

[Finwad32]

That hit was a clean hit for 100 years. That being said, he absolutely used his body weight to drive Brown.

Although I understand momentum, he could’ve finished that without using all of his body weight and force to drive Brown. It’s got a hint of dirty to it, but more or less just really aggressive. If Brown’s not injured, we’re not discussing it, so it’s not over the line.

 

[orangenirvana]

Wasn't an illegal play unless you watch it in slo-mo. QB throws the ball, defender is already starting to lower his head to hit the QB, he takes 1 - 2 steps as the ball is released and hits the QB. Pretty bang, bang play. Nothing to flag. He also didn't intentionally drive him into the ground, he went through the player. He didn't lift him up more, throw him down unnecessarily, he just drove through his tackle. Pretty standard play. We've had a ton of similar plays by SU defense on other QB's.

Just watched it over again. It's far from standard. It's the type of play that they want to take out of football. Because it just wasn't necessary.

I'm not going to vilify Wilkins as this is undoubtedly how he's been taught to play football in the south since he was a kid and I'm sure he feels bad in hindsight that he seriously hurt Brown. But Brown had gotten rid of the ball before Wilkins lifted him and pile-drove him into the turf with his 300+ pound body.

Up until 2018 that's a no-call all day long but if you're trying to make this a safer sport that can be sustained for decades to come then stuff like that needs to be taken out of the game.

 

[OrangeinBoston]

Just watched it over again. It's far from standard. It's the type of play that they want to take out of football. Because it just wasn't necessary.

I'm not going to vilify Wilkins as this is undoubtedly how he's been taught to play football in the south since he was a kid and I'm sure he feels bad in hindsight that he seriously hurt Brown. But Brown had gotten rid of the ball before Wilkins lifted him and pile-drove him into the turf with his 300+ pound body.

Up until 2018 that's a no-call all day long but if you're trying to make this a safer sport that can be sustained for decades to come then stuff like that needs to be taken out of the game.

Great post and absolutely correct.

 

[qdawgg]

That hit was a clean hit for 100 years. That being said, he absolutely used his body weight to drive Brown.

Although I understand momentum, he could’ve finished that without using all of his body weight and force to drive Brown. It’s got a hint of dirty to it, but more or less just really aggressive. If Brown’s not injured, we’re not discussing it, so it’s not over the line.

I agree with this completely. Was his intent to hit him hard and fall on him, absolutely. But how do you flag intent on what is otherwise a football play that isn't over the line.

 

[CousCuse]

I think of the block in the back call that BC got and took away a big return. For a long time there was no block in the back call and players would get seriously injured. So they make that rule for safety sake and now just brushing into the back of a player is a penalty, which is dumb. But with QB's who are always in a vulnerable position, the rule is interpreted to favor the defensive player to such an extent that QB's with concussions and other serious injuries even resulting in hospitalization from what they want to say is a routine play. I think what some people don't understand is that if the expectation from that was a 15 yard penalty, then the defender would be coached to go about it differently.

 

[qdawgg]

But Brown had gotten rid of the ball before Wilkins lifted him and pile-drove him into the turf with his 300+ pound body.

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He definitely had released the ball before getting hit but he gets hit right after he gets rid of the ball, IMO. To me, did he want to hit him as hard as he could, absolutely but I think saying he lifted him up and pile drives him is a little bit beyond what happened.

 

[Finwad32]

I agree with this completely. Was his intent to hit him hard and fall on him, absolutely. But how do you flag intent on what is otherwise a football play that isn't over the line.

Agreed, right now... I 100% believe this will be flagged in the NCAA next year, akin to the NFL.

 

[qdawgg]

Again, our players have made these hits all year long. Sometimes much later than Brown did. I don't recall any discussion that we should have been called for a penalty. We definitely talked about how we got lucky there was no call but thats very different than saying it was a dirty play by SU defender.

 

[CuseOnly]

It is an illegal play at the college level to continue to tackle and drive into the turf any player that you know does not have the ball.

SO according to this rule, pancake blocks are illegal, yeah...I dont think so.

Show me the rule.

 

[RMH44]

If remember correctly Freeney had a lacerated liver. Freshman year missed the rest of the season.

I think it happened during his soph or Jr year against VT. He sacked Vick 4.5 times that game. During one of the sacks Vick lowered his head and Freeney basically impaled himself on his helmet.

 

[qdawgg]

Agreed, right now... I 100% believe this will be flagged in the NCAA next year, akin to the NFL.

My wife watches SU football and the Chicago Bears, it's always interesting her reactions when we watch college football because the assumption is college football should be safer. She also knows the rules but is always surprised when penalties aren't called on certain plays in college games.

 

[Fjoinkay]

I agree this wasn't a penalty going back just a few years. Under the new rules I thought this hit crossed the line or at least was right on that line. That is why I expected Herbrstreit to at least question whether a flag was warranted. Fowler took a look at it and called it violent and Herbstreit had no response. I felt like the ball was gone and then the defender took the extra step of pile-driving the QB and finished it off driving his body weight into the QB. I don't know if the QB qualified as a defenseless player at that point, but he was defenseless. It definitely wasn't targeting, but make no mistake, the new rules are intended to protect the QB position as much or more than any other position, and I would not have been surprised if a flag had been thrown.

 

[CousCuse]

SO according to this rule, pancake blocks are illegal, yeah...I dont think so.

Show me the rule.

You get knocked on your back in a "pancake" block, it's head on.

 

[repos]

is this the hit? looks pretty legal to me

 

[MadNY3]

Dirty and unnecessary roughness are not synonymous in the absolute. Just because it may not have been "dirty" does not mean a flag for unnecessary roughness should've/could've been thrown.

OK. I don't thing it was flag worthy. The hit and finish were absolutely within the rules.

 

[Bambrewer]

Just watched it over again. It's far from standard. It's the type of play that they want to take out of football. Because it just wasn't necessary.

I'm not going to vilify Wilkins as this is undoubtedly how he's been taught to play football in the south since he was a kid and I'm sure he feels bad in hindsight that he seriously hurt Brown. But Brown had gotten rid of the ball before Wilkins lifted him and pile-drove him into the turf with his 300+ pound body.

Up until 2018 that's a no-call all day long but if you're trying to make this a safer sport that can be sustained for decades to come then stuff like that needs to be taken out of the game.

Wilkins is actually from mass. Played football about an hour from bc. He had 80 friends and family at the game last night... I’m sure he was extra pumped up getting to hit the qb... but again wasn’t really dirty but could have been a penalty... would have been a penalty in the nfl

 

[mark79]

I thought it was a clean hit. To be honest, I’ve seen some of our guys whip the QB to the ground a lot harder than that with no flag and I thought one could have been thrown. That guy is just so big and huge it made it look bad. One guys opinion. I respect those that disagree!

 

[kcsu]

It was a clean hit. Its what can happen when there is a 200 pound difference. Football is a violent sport the new rules help but it will always remain a violent sport.

 

[NJCuse97]

I'm not going to vilify Wilkins as this is undoubtedly how he's been taught to play football in the south since he was a kid and I'm sure he feels bad in hindsight that he seriously hurt Brown.

Wilkins is from Massachusetts and played high school ball in Connecticut.