Because we are Syracuse

[Sherman20]

I get it. I said at the time that 2016 should have been when JB was told, discretely and professionally, to leave. We never should have let him stay after the second probation. It blows my mind that we did.

We had a surprising Final Four appearance. What better time to walk away triumphantly. And it’s not 20/20 hindsight, i posted it here.

JB was told that he needed to announce his retirement date after the ncaa probation came down in March 2015, and it wasn’t discrete. Hop was announced as the head coaching successor and was supposed to be taking over in 2017. But JB spent a year agitating behind the scenes that he wanted to stay, Hop didn’t want to push out his mentor and force him to retire, so he made it known that he would listen to other offers and took the Washington job.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

If you watch any of Red’s interviews it’s all generalities about living up to Syracuse standards and such. Nothing specific about what that means. Regardless of how Moore played today, how can you justify anything when Taylor starts over a guy who had two straight excellent games. It just looks complacent.

I am introducing a bill to the legislature that makes it illlegal for Taylor to shoot, free throws excepted. I hope to get it to the governor’s desk before the New Year.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

JB was told that he needed to announce his retirement date after the ncaa probation came down in March 2015, and it wasn’t discrete. Hop was announced as the head coaching successor and was supposed to be taking over in 2017. But JB spent a year agitating behind the scenes that he wanted to stay, Hop didn’t want to push out his mentor and force him to retire, so he made it known that he would listen to other offers and took the Washington job.

Well, we should thank JB that we avoided Hopkins as a coach.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Well, we should thank JB that we avoided Hopkins as a coach.

Yea - JB’s last 8 years were such a dandy.

 

[kingtidge]

Well, we should thank JB that we avoided Hopkins as a coach.

I would have taken Hop over Daddy-ball every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

 

[Red Holzman]

That was used against us for years, you can bet on that.
And then he recruited his kids to play for him, and froze out other guys who could have contributed.
Mass transfers resulted (pre-portal, remember), robbing us of program and roster continuity for several years, because people didn't think they would get a fair shake against Buddy and Jimmy playing for the tean.

The legacy and earned goodwill for great accomplishment prior was tarnished by holding the program hostage to pursue nepotism, essentially leaving the program he built in shambles.
Remains to be seen how many years we'll continue to go on suffering with the result.
JB was the architect of what the program is today.
Hope daddy ball was worth it for JB.
The program and fans suffered for it -and still do.

Sorry -that post opened the wound and maybe I'm a little cranky today

 

[IthacaMatt]

The legacy and earned goodwill for great accomplishment prior was tarnished by holding the program hostage to pursue nepotism, essentially leaving the program he built in shambles.
Remains to be seen how many years we'll continue to go on suffering with the result.
JB was the architect of what the program is today.
Hope daddy ball was worth it for JB.
The program and fans suffered for it -and still do.

Sorry -that post opened the wound and maybe I'm a little cranky today

And the shame of it is that Buddy and Jimmy were good enough to play for the program. But his handling of them versus the other players was just too obvious.

 

[djcon57]

The legacy and earned goodwill for great accomplishment prior was tarnished by holding the program hostage to pursue nepotism, essentially leaving the program he built in shambles.
Remains to be seen how many years we'll continue to go on suffering with the result.
JB was the architect of what the program is today.
Hope daddy ball was worth it for JB.
The program and fans suffered for it -and still do.

Sorry -that post opened the wound and maybe I'm a little cranky today

Little unfair. The majority of us were bothered by those years. I don't think it completely tarnishes his legacy at all. The end? Sure, it was a train wreck. But in general his legend at Syracuse will go on for years after we're dead. He won a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. Plenty of school wish they had 1.

I mean, Tom Landry went 3-13 his last year, no one thinks about that at all when discussing him at all.

 

[Red Holzman]

Little unfair. The majority of us were bothered by those years. I don't think it completely tarnishes his legacy at all. The end? Sure, it was a train wreck. But in general his legend at Syracuse will go on for years after we're dead. He won a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. Plenty of school wish they had 1.

I mean, Tom Landry went 3-13 his last year, no one thinks about that at all when discussing him at all.

You added a word there, and agreed it was a train wreck at the end.
The bad tarnished his legacy at the end-
Aware of what JB accomplished -respect the good, but won't forget or forgive the bad ending.
IMO it's fair for the end to be part of the conversation. Will always remember the end when discussing him.
Respect all opinions -fine with those that prefer to remember only the good.