Because we are Syracuse

[Sherman20]

I get it. I said at the time that 2016 should have been when JB was told, discretely and professionally, to leave. We never should have let him stay after the second probation. It blows my mind that we did.

We had a surprising Final Four appearance. What better time to walk away triumphantly. And it’s not 20/20 hindsight, i posted it here.

JB was told that he needed to announce his retirement date after the ncaa probation came down in March 2015, and it wasn’t discrete. Hop was announced as the head coaching successor and was supposed to be taking over in 2017. But JB spent a year agitating behind the scenes that he wanted to stay, Hop didn’t want to push out his mentor and force him to retire, so he made it known that he would listen to other offers and took the Washington job.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

If you watch any of Red’s interviews it’s all generalities about living up to Syracuse standards and such. Nothing specific about what that means. Regardless of how Moore played today, how can you justify anything when Taylor starts over a guy who had two straight excellent games. It just looks complacent.

I am introducing a bill to the legislature that makes it illlegal for Taylor to shoot, free throws excepted. I hope to get it to the governor’s desk before the New Year.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

JB was told that he needed to announce his retirement date after the ncaa probation came down in March 2015, and it wasn’t discrete. Hop was announced as the head coaching successor and was supposed to be taking over in 2017. But JB spent a year agitating behind the scenes that he wanted to stay, Hop didn’t want to push out his mentor and force him to retire, so he made it known that he would listen to other offers and took the Washington job.

Well, we should thank JB that we avoided Hopkins as a coach.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Well, we should thank JB that we avoided Hopkins as a coach.

Yea - JB’s last 8 years were such a dandy.

 

[Red Holzman]

That was used against us for years, you can bet on that.
And then he recruited his kids to play for him, and froze out other guys who could have contributed.
Mass transfers resulted (pre-portal, remember), robbing us of program and roster continuity for several years, because people didn't think they would get a fair shake against Buddy and Jimmy playing for the tean.

The legacy and earned goodwill for great accomplishment prior was tarnished by holding the program hostage to pursue nepotism, essentially leaving the program he built in shambles.
Remains to be seen how many years we'll continue to go on suffering with the result.
JB was the architect of what the program is today.
Hope daddy ball was worth it for JB.
The program and fans suffered for it -and still do.

Sorry -that post opened the wound and maybe I'm a little cranky today

 

[IthacaMatt]

The legacy and earned goodwill for great accomplishment prior was tarnished by holding the program hostage to pursue nepotism, essentially leaving the program he built in shambles.
Remains to be seen how many years we'll continue to go on suffering with the result.
JB was the architect of what the program is today.
Hope daddy ball was worth it for JB.
The program and fans suffered for it -and still do.

Sorry -that post opened the wound and maybe I'm a little cranky today

And the shame of it is that Buddy and Jimmy were good enough to play for the program. But his handling of them versus the other players was just too obvious.

 

[djcon57]

The legacy and earned goodwill for great accomplishment prior was tarnished by holding the program hostage to pursue nepotism, essentially leaving the program he built in shambles.
Remains to be seen how many years we'll continue to go on suffering with the result.
JB was the architect of what the program is today.
Hope daddy ball was worth it for JB.
The program and fans suffered for it -and still do.

Sorry -that post opened the wound and maybe I'm a little cranky today

Little unfair. The majority of us were bothered by those years. I don't think it completely tarnishes his legacy at all. The end? Sure, it was a train wreck. But in general his legend at Syracuse will go on for years after we're dead. He won a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. Plenty of school wish they had 1.

I mean, Tom Landry went 3-13 his last year, no one thinks about that at all when discussing him at all.

 

[Red Holzman]

Little unfair. The majority of us were bothered by those years. I don't think it completely tarnishes his legacy at all. The end? Sure, it was a train wreck. But in general his legend at Syracuse will go on for years after we're dead. He won a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. Plenty of school wish they had 1.

I mean, Tom Landry went 3-13 his last year, no one thinks about that at all when discussing him at all.

You added a word there, and agreed it was a train wreck at the end.
The bad tarnished his legacy at the end-
Aware of what JB accomplished -respect the good, but won't forget or forgive the bad ending.
IMO it's fair for the end to be part of the conversation. Will always remember the end when discussing him.
Respect all opinions -fine with those that prefer to remember only the good.

 

[Toga]

JB as interim coach. National search.

 

[djcon57]

JB as interim coach. National search.

Enough with the JB stuff. Let him stay retired. I say that for his sake. He doesn’t need this mess

 

[baggerbob]

Enough with the JB stuff. Let him stay retired. I say that for his sake. He doesn’t need this mess

Unfortunately he is partially responsible for creating this mess.

 

[ar inj]

It seems like for these past ten-ish years we just think we should win because we are Syracuse. We haven’t had good rosters and the players and coaches have talked about how good we are going to be. That one press conference when JB laughed as if the idea of us not making the tournament was a ridiculous question and said, “We’re going to make the tournament” sticks in my mind. And our players talking about definitely making the tournament, or all the Chris Bell is the best shooter in the ACC/country stuff coming from the players and coaches.

Fran Brown talks about winning every day and being in the moment. The basketball program needs to start thinking that way.

We’re not going to win just because we are Syracuse. “Orange standard” and “this is not Syracuse basketball” is not going to cut it. Develop a plan and stick to it. It just feels like we’re winging it.

Need to change the title to "Because we were Syracuse basketball."

 

[Toga]

JB could coach but took his last 5-6 years off from recruiting. Red can recruit some but seems to have problems coaching.

 

[sdhall01]

It seems like for these past ten-ish years we just think we should win because we are Syracuse. We haven’t had good rosters and the players and coaches have talked about how good we are going to be. That one press conference when JB laughed as if the idea of us not making the tournament was a ridiculous question and said, “We’re going to make the tournament” sticks in my mind. And our players talking about definitely making the tournament, or all the Chris Bell is the best shooter in the ACC/country stuff coming from the players and coaches.

Fran Brown talks about winning every day and being in the moment. The basketball program needs to start thinking that way.

We’re not going to win just because we are Syracuse. “Orange standard” and “this is not Syracuse basketball” is not going to cut it. Develop a plan and stick to it. It just feels like we’re winging it.

I’m not going to lie, your thread title made me think this was going to read like breakup poetry.

 

[BillSU]

If you watch any of Red’s interviews it’s all generalities about living up to Syracuse standards and such. Nothing specific about what that means. Regardless of how Moore played today, how can you justify anything when Taylor starts over a guy who had two straight excellent games. It just looks complacent.

It just seems completely illogical. I'll say it again, Red, you have two players who are scoring - the only ones who are today and you're taking them out?! I do not get your mindset at all. And if that don't beat all, you left Carlos in for 40? Why? Because he can dribble? And in all that time he got us one basket. DUH.

 

[baggerbob]

It just seems completely illogical. I'll say it again, Red, you have two players who are scoring - the only ones who are today and you're taking them out?! I do not get your mindset at all. And if that don't beat all, you left Carlos in for 40? Why? Because he can dribble? And in all that time he got us one basket. DUH.

And he still hasn't learned not to dribble into the lane all the way to the baseline and try to make a pass.
Every time it ends up a steal and fast break the other way.
At least try a bounce pass, it will take a few more seconds for the opponent to throw the outlet pass.

 

[BillSU]

And he still hasn't learned not to dribble into the lane all the way to the baseline and try to make a pass.
Every time it ends up a steal and fast break the other way.
At least try a bounce pass, it will take a few more seconds for the opponent to throw the outlet pass.

YUP!

 

[tbonezone]

another blowout in NYC . another blowout on ESPN. does wonders for recruiting.

 

[tptcuse]

Maybe SWC75 can ask what “Orange Standard” means or what is Red’s “why”? (Yes I know I can call in but SWC has a consistent track record with these radio programs.)

 

[Sbucketball]

another blowout in NYC . another blowout on ESPN. does wonders for recruiting.

I'd be curious to see our record for games on ESPN and ESPN 2 over the last 4 years. I'm pretty sure it's abysmal.