Big 12 to expand...or not

[Alsacs]

Sources: Schools 'go with it' for Big 12 uniformity

 

[gbo]

This feels like the perfect time for the ACC to troll UConn with a fake invite.

 

[Scooch]

Iowa State AD says Big 12 is the Mountain West without Texas, Oklahoma

Yeesh. It blows my mind how high ranking administrators can be so unprofessional.

 

[HtownOrange]

BACK OF THE ENVELOP ANALYSIS:

The Big 12 may be holding on to the end of the contract to avoid onslaught of conference changes and re-negotiations until near the end of the GOR. Recall that ESPN and Fox pretty much have every conference locked into a TV deal and they would be the major source if increased income for each new negotiation, as would be required in the chain reaction to follow any expansion. With the monster deal that the B1G signed and the expected increases due to the SEC and ACC to keep them on par with the B1G, the two networks probably want a little period of stability before the whole of expansion kicks off again. This would also allow time for the P5 conferences to determine whether they want to go to 16, whether to expand the playoffs and several other lesser issues. This may have been a factor driving ESPN to block expansion at this time.

Alternative 1: It may be the networks telling UT and OU to make up their minds-stay/go before committing to a higher payout. Recall that ESPN and FOX were willing to allow expansion if the teams would agree to a longer GOR. Without a longer commitment from the two anchors, there is no point in expanding and then disassembling later for the convenience of two schools.

Alternative 2: Texas really is a Diva and just wanted some attention since they haven't earned it on the field of late.

Alternative 3: Nobody in the Big 12 has a clue: A) about what they want to do; B) about how to accomplish what they want to do even though they don't know what they want to do; and/or, C) anything in general.

Alternative 4: Any combination of the above.

 

[Toga]

BACK OF THE ENVELOP ANALYSIS:

The Big 12 may be holding on to the end of the contract to avoid onslaught of conference changes and re-negotiations until near the end of the GOR. Recall that ESPN and Fox pretty much have every conference locked into a TV deal and they would be the major source if increased income for each new negotiation, as would be required in the chain reaction to follow any expansion. With the monster deal that the B1G signed and the expected increases due to the SEC and ACC to keep them on par with the B1G, the two networks probably want a little period of stability before the whole of expansion kicks off again. This would also allow time for the P5 conferences to determine whether they want to go to 16, whether to expand the playoffs and several other lesser issues. This may have been a factor driving ESPN to block expansion at this time.

Alternative 1: It may be the networks telling UT and OU to make up their minds-stay/go before committing to a higher payout. Recall that ESPN and FOX were willing to allow expansion if the teams would agree to a longer GOR. Without a longer commitment from the two anchors, there is no point in expanding and then disassembling later for the convenience of two schools.

Alternative 2: Texas really is a Diva and just wanted some attention since they haven't earned it on the field of late.

Alternative 3: Nobody in the Big 12 has a clue: A) about what they want to do; B) about how to accomplish what they want to do even though they don't know what they want to do; and/or, C) anything in general.

Alternative 4: Any combination of the above.

 

[HtownOrange]

Love it, I completely missed the "Let's Make A Deal" angle; and your selection of door #3 is perfect!

 

[Alsacs]

BACK OF THE ENVELOP ANALYSIS:

The Big 12 may be holding on to the end of the contract to avoid onslaught of conference changes and re-negotiations until near the end of the GOR. Recall that ESPN and Fox pretty much have every conference locked into a TV deal and they would be the major source if increased income for each new negotiation, as would be required in the chain reaction to follow any expansion. With the monster deal that the B1G signed and the expected increases due to the SEC and ACC to keep them on par with the B1G, the two networks probably want a little period of stability before the whole of expansion kicks off again. This would also allow time for the P5 conferences to determine whether they want to go to 16, whether to expand the playoffs and several other lesser issues. This may have been a factor driving ESPN to block expansion at this time.

Alternative 1: It may be the networks telling UT and OU to make up their minds-stay/go before committing to a higher payout. Recall that ESPN and FOX were willing to allow expansion if the teams would agree to a longer GOR. Without a longer commitment from the two anchors, there is no point in expanding and then disassembling later for the convenience of two schools.

Alternative 2: Texas really is a Diva and just wanted some attention since they haven't earned it on the field of late.

Alternative 3: Nobody in the Big 12 has a clue: A) about what they want to do; B) about how to accomplish what they want to do even though they don't know what they want to do; and/or, C) anything in general.

Alternative 4: Any combination of the above.

Texas is not letting expansion happen. Oklahoma's BOG doesn't want to stay in the Big XII. Texas is looking at the Aggies and doesn't want even more watered down Big XII.

Neither Oklahoma or Texas want to join the SEC. Texas can't go where ESPN doesn't want them while the LHN is still on. Oklahoma probably wants in the Big Ten as they didn't join the Pac-12 because they wouldn't take Oklahoma State.

Texas will decide the future of expansion. Oklahoma/Kansas will likely find soft land spots as well.

 

[longtimefan]

Texas is not letting expansion happen. Oklahoma's BOG doesn't want to stay in the Big XII. Texas is looking at the Aggies and doesn't want even more watered down Big XII.

Neither Oklahoma or Texas want to join the SEC. Texas can't go where ESPN doesn't want them while the LHN is still on. Oklahoma probably wants in the Big Ten as they didn't join the Pac-12 because they wouldn't take Oklahoma State.

Texas will decide the future of expansion. Oklahoma/Kansas will likely find soft land spots as well.

Re: Kansas (and off on a tangent)--

Groce is the current coach at Illinois. The two before him were Weber and Self. Imagine what would have happened if Self ended up at KSt and Weber at Kansas. Maybe no soft landing spot for the Jayhawks.

 

[Alsacs]

Re: Kansas (and off on a tangent)--

Groce is the current coach at Illinois. The two before him were Weber and Self. Imagine what would have happened if Self ended up at KSt and Weber at Kansas. Maybe no soft landing spot for the Jayhawks.

Kansas is AAU and is a top 5 blueblood in basketball. Even if they didn't hire Self they would get an elite coach even if Weber bombed out.

I agree they are lucky they got Self but after Kentucky/Duke Kansas has been sending lottery picks pretty much every year.

Top 5 college basketball brands
Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, North Carolina, Indiana.

 

[longtimefan]

Kansas is AAU and is a top 5 blueblood in basketball. Even if they didn't hire Self they would get an elite coach even if Weber bombed out.

I agree they are lucky they got Self but after Kentucky/Duke Kansas has been sending lottery picks pretty much every year.

Top 5 college basketball brands
Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, North Carolina, Indiana.

But would basketball (and AAU) be enough to save them? Their football has been putrid (worse than SU) for the entire Gill-Weis-Beaty run. When SU was first invited to the ACC in 2003, the relevance of the McNabb era was not far in the past. And, for better or worse, it's a football world out there.

 

[Alsacs]

But would basketball (and AAU) be enough to save them? Their football has been putrid (worse than SU) for the entire Gill-Weis-Beaty run. When SU was first invited to the ACC in 2003, the relevance of the McNabb era was not far in the past. And, for better or worse, it's a football world out there.

Oklahoma/Kansas duo to the Big Ten makes a lot of sense.
FB power in OU.
BB power in KU.
Oklahoma-Nebraska rivalry revived. That is money for the Big Ten.
Big Ten West then has Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Iowa that makes that division a lot deeper.

 

[Briancuse]

The big 12 took one look at Uconn, and said, you know what we are good.

 

[CuseLegacy]

 

[Jake]

I actually thought the UCONN stuff was well presented...except it's like sending a resume to an employer looking for an IT person and your resume says that you've been salesman of the year for 5 consecutive years. And the only computer skills you can list are photoshop and excel, but are willing to learn on the job.

The Big 12 is a bunch of guys sitting around the table wearing 6-inch belt buckles who think there are only two revenue sports. Football and spring football.

 

[Hoo's That]

But would basketball (and AAU) be enough to save them? Their football has been putrid (worse than SU) for the entire Gill-Weis-Beaty run. When SU was first invited to the ACC in 2003, the relevance of the McNabb era was not far in the past. And, for better or worse, it's a football world out there.

But somebody has to lose the football game, and the B1G would have no problem with having most of those L's go to Kansas instead of Meeshigan or Oh,thatOSU, etc.

 

[CuseLegacy]

 

[texascpa]

The UH power point presentation was interesting. Learned some things. One of the big points was the debunking that Houston has no following in Houston. Slide 49 begs to differ.

 

[texascpa]

I actually thought the UCONN stuff was well presented...except it's like sending a resume to an employer looking for an IT person and your resume says that you've been salesman of the year for 5 consecutive years. And the only computer skills you can list are photoshop and excel, but are willing to learn on the job.

The Big 12 is a bunch of guys sitting around the table wearing 6-inch belt buckles who think there are only two revenue sports. Football and spring football.

Where did you find UConn's presentation?

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Just read UConn board. Man are they delusional. They just don't get it. I hope they never get into a P5 conference. Worst fanbase in college sports.

 

[MaxwellCuse]

UCONN is facing very tough times. Stuck in the American, where the power and recruits are in the south and Texas, and with a meathead coach. Only a couple more years of exit fees and who knows how long the State and students are going to want to kick in 30M+ per year to subsidize that sh*%show.

BC has a similar meathead coaching philosophy and northeast weather conditions. Rutgers can't recruit against their bigger B1G brethren, yet the recruits they do rope in get to travel to such autumn vacation playgrounds as Indiana, Iowa and Minnesota.

All things considered I'd rather be Syracuse.

 

[sutomcat]

This article was just published in a Connecticut newspaper.

Three Reasons UConn Should Keep Trying For Power Five Conference

..
In truth, UConn's athletics budget, which is nearly $80 million a year, doesn't pay for itself. To subsidize athletics, the university chipped in $27 million in 2014, $28 million in 2015 and $35.2 million in 2016, even counting its revenue from basketball. The budget for 2017 includes $39.2 million in subsidies. That's not sustainable.
...

Looks like more than half of their budget comes from subsidies. Wow.

 

[RandygoCuse]

This article was just published in a Connecticut newspaper.

Three Reasons UConn Should Keep Trying For Power Five Conference

..
In truth, UConn's athletics budget, which is nearly $80 million a year, doesn't pay for itself. To subsidize athletics, the university chipped in $27 million in 2014, $28 million in 2015 and $35.2 million in 2016, even counting its revenue from basketball. The budget for 2017 includes $39.2 million in subsidies. That's not sustainable.
...

Looks like more than half of their budget comes from subsidies. Wow.

I can see why they should try, I just don't think there will be any takers.

 

[texascpa]

This article was just published in a Connecticut newspaper.

Three Reasons UConn Should Keep Trying For Power Five Conference

..
In truth, UConn's athletics budget, which is nearly $80 million a year, doesn't pay for itself. To subsidize athletics, the university chipped in $27 million in 2014, $28 million in 2015 and $35.2 million in 2016, even counting its revenue from basketball. The budget for 2017 includes $39.2 million in subsidies. That's not sustainable.
...

Looks like more than half of their budget comes from subsidies. Wow.

Rutgers Part Deux

 

[HRE Otto IV]

This article was just published in a Connecticut newspaper.

Three Reasons UConn Should Keep Trying For Power Five Conference

..
In truth, UConn's athletics budget, which is nearly $80 million a year, doesn't pay for itself. To subsidize athletics, the university chipped in $27 million in 2014, $28 million in 2015 and $35.2 million in 2016, even counting its revenue from basketball. The budget for 2017 includes $39.2 million in subsidies. That's not sustainable.
...

Looks like more than half of their budget comes from subsidies. Wow.

Didn't they also get all the Big East exit fee money? That has to run out soon. But they have women's basketball which is on TV often so they have immense value. :crazy:

 

[sutomcat]

Didn't they also get all the Big East exit fee money? That has to run out soon. But they have women's basketball which is on TV often so they have immense value. :crazy:

Yes. I think the biggest reason that their deficit is growing at such an alarming rate is because the exit fee revenues are gone/almost gone. As well as credits earned by former BE schools for NCAA basketball tournament play.

I would be interested to know how much money UConn made from all the schools that have left the conference. I bet they received over 10 million. Kind of funny given how little time they spent in the Big East playing football.