Big rutgers news coming?

[PhatOrange]

I would say RU is no better than SU over the last few years.

and considering it took them overtime to win the pillow fight...listening to this kid you'd think they beat us by 40.

 

[rrlbees]

WVU will not be in the BE next year. They just won't show up.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I simply responded to the article you posted.

It does not say that there will be a "profound negative effect" on the BE.

What it says is that the BCS will select for one game and the bowls will do what they traditionally did - bid for teams based upon dollars to be made with attendance and TV.

It that is to become the model, conference affiliation will mean less than it does today - at least in terms of post season play.

If, on the other hand, conference play inspires attendance and travel capability, affiliation could become a factor.

But right now at least, if the future model is what the article suggests it might be at some point, Syracuse in the BE versus Syracuse in the ACC will not look all that much different when the post-season comes around.

And, if the AQ is gone, I can see the BE staying together in order to take advantage of its new national foot print. The BE has done already what the Big Ten and Pac-12 are now trying to do with their affiliation.

So, again, I don't see things the way you do.

Pa you are too smart to post this type of stuff. You can't honestly believe that the BE already has what the Big 10 and Pac 12 are looking for? Absurd, sure they have a national footprint but so did Blockbuster at one point doesn't mean it's not dying a slow painful death

 

[OrangePA]

Pa you are too smart to post this type of stuff. You can't honestly believe that the BE already has what the Big 10 and Pac 12 are looking for? Absurd, sure they have a national footprint but so did Blockbuster at one point doesn't mean it's not dying a slow painful death

First, I'm not that smart. Just ask Millhouse!

Second, I'm under no delusion that the BE compares to the Big Ten or the Pac-12 in terms of level of play, prestige or game attendance.

But, from a pure marketing standpoint, I really do believe that the BE has taken a very interesting long view.

And I do believe as well that the Big Ten and Pac-12 have noticed.

The BE is doing now what Dave Gavitt did in 1980 - it is designing a conference to accomodate TV by staking claims in large markets, and is seeking to establish a wide viewing fan base - well beyond what Gavitt had in mind thirty years ago.

It may not work but its very strategic. Now Blockbuster was/is a dying business model. College football - as TV filler - is anything but dying.

So, I'm not sure the analogy works in this instance.

 

[OrangePA]

WVU will not be in the BE next year. They just won't show up.

I recall years ago when Dick Williams took a job with the Yankees and Charlie O. Finley filed an action to prevent it.

And Charlie won - Williams was not permitted to act beyond the scope of his contract.

I'm not a business litigator, but I just don't see the WVU argument. A review of the Complaint is almost funny, it's so silly.

But, when it comes to the law, one never knows.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

First, I'm not that smart. Just ask Millhouse!

Second, I'm under no delusion that the BE compares to the Big Ten or the Pac-12 in terms of level of play, prestige or game attendance.

But, from a pure marketing standpoint, I really do believe that the BE has taken a very interesting long view.

And I do believe as well that the Big Ten and Pac-12 have noticed.

The BE is doing now what Dave Gavitt did in 1980 - it is designing a conference to accomodate TV by staking claims in large markets, and is seeking to establish a wide viewing fan base - well beyond what Gavitt had in mind thirty years ago.

It may not work but its very strategic. Now Blockbuster was/is a dying business model. College football - as TV filler - is anything but dying.

So, I'm not sure the analogy works in this instance.

I love your outlook! you should be a salesman

 

[Whitey23]

WVU will not be in the BE next year. They just won't show up.

I'm excited to watch the wvu drama next year.

 

[rrlbees]

I'm excited to watch the wvu drama next year.

It could be fun if Oliver Luck and the B12 commish have the cajones to do what they say they are doing. They have assured everyone 100% that WVU will be playing B12 football in September. Luck even said it in an interview during their bowl game. They either know that their battle with the BE will be resolved here soon or they just plan to ignore the BE even if they appear on the schedule. Could be fun.

 

[Moontan]

It may not work but its very strategic.

Wearing BE glasses it may appear as "strategic". Take those glasses off and it may appear as "desperate".

Clearly, the conference lacked the leadership to go to 12. TCU was fine. The powers-that-be should've leaned harder on USF (and her sisters UL & UC) to let UCF in. Bring in a travel partner for TCU (SMU, Houston, Tulsa, whomever) and get an enhanced TV deal (assuming the ESPN deal included provisions for renegotiation as the ACC deal did). Failure to do this and allowing the non-football members to nix the TV deal extension led to the exodus. The exodus is leading to the most recent "strategic""desparate" moves.

And Rutgers... Rutgers (and many of the non-football members) continues to looks for life preservers as the BE football conference sinks further and further.

 

[Moontan]

It could be fun if Oliver Luck and the B12 commish have the cajones to do what they say they are doing. They have assured everyone 100% that WVU will be playing B12 football in September. Luck even said it in an interview during their bowl game. They either know that their battle with the BE will be resolved here soon or they just plan to ignore the BE even if they appear on the schedule. Could be fun.

And short of the NCAA stepping in and mediating an amicable transition that's exactly what will happen. WVU will be AWOL. At some point the BE will have to take its head out of the sand and realize that WVU will not be playing a BE schedule... even if the BE schedule says that they will.

Is there really a requirement that each team play 12 games? I think not. Imagine BE schools only playing 11 games with WVU paying the remaining 7 members an average home game revenue check. Let's see... that's $5m + $7m + $3m in hoops cash = $15m. Imagine if WVU provided the BE with a $15m take it or leave it check. Oh and by the way, if you reject it they're still gone. If you're the BE and Syracuse and Pittsburgh agree to stay for one year... do you take it?

 

[Rocco]

From 2005-2011 Rutgers was 10-4 agianst SU/Pitt and 0-7 against WV.

Clearly SU/Pitt havn't been keeping RU from much. WV/Cincy have been another story.

Seems odd to call a conference pathetic that you finished last in...

Love when someone brings up the GRob era. Under Marrone, we are 2-1 against RU. Should be 3-0.

Marrone > Schiano

 

[OrangePA]

Wearing BE glasses it may appear as "strategic". Take those glasses off and it may appear as "desperate".

Clearly, the conference lacked the leadership to go to 12. TCU was fine. The powers-that-be should've leaned harder on USF (and her sisters UL & UC) to let UCF in. Bring in a travel partner for TCU (SMU, Houston, Tulsa, whomever) and get an enhanced TV deal (assuming the ESPN deal included provisions for renegotiation as the ACC deal did). Failure to do this and allowing the non-football members to nix the TV deal extension led to the exodus. The exodus is leading to the most recent "strategic""desparate" moves.

And Rutgers... Rutgers (and many of the non-football members) continues to looks for life preservers as the BE football conference sinks further and further.

Well, this post seems to reflect more wishful thinking than objective analysis.

The BE probably could have or should have done more to get the TV contract.

But since that did not happen, getting Boise State and the University of Houston, as well as a good SMU and a decent UCF is not in my mind "desperate."

It is good business and very strategic. I see no evidence that the BE is sinking - I don't see it and I am pretty sure that Rutgers and UConn don't see it either.

I really wonder sometimes why so many on this board hate - really hate - the BE and why so many want to see it die.

 

[OrangePA]

And short of the NCAA stepping in and mediating an amicable transition that's exactly what will happen. WVU will be AWOL. At some point the BE will have to take its head out of the sand and realize that WVU will not be playing a BE schedule... even if the BE schedule says that they will.

Is there really a requirement that each team play 12 games? I think not. Imagine BE schools only playing 11 games with WVU paying the remaining 7 members an average home game revenue check. Let's see... that's $5m + $7m + $3m in hoops cash = $15m. Imagine if WVU provided the BE with a $15m take it or leave it check. Oh and by the way, if you reject it they're still gone. If you're the BE and Syracuse and Pittsburgh agree to stay for one year... do you take it?

WVU, Pitt and SU will all buy their way out of the BE.

The notion that the BE has no leverage over WVU right now is, I think, misguided.

If your presumption were accurate, I suspect that Pitt and SU would be employing the same strategy.

 

[Bayside44]

Come on OPA, this isn't at all like the 1980s.

In the 80s we have 9 Amtrak schools, 7 basically on the same line (with us and Pitt being the outliers), 6 of them Catholic, form a conference where the schools looked a lot like each other. There definitely was a culture there. Unique, northeast, tough, etc.

This is throwing darts at a map.

 

[OrangePA]

I love your outlook! you should be a salesman

I guess I am.

I only wish more would buy what I'm selling.

 

[Dick_in_MI]

Wearing BE glasses it may appear as "strategic". Take those glasses off and it may appear as "desperate".
.

It's probably a bit of both when you get right down to it

 

[OrangePA]

Come on OPA, this isn't at all like the 1980s.

In the 80s we have 9 Amtrak schools, 7 basically on the same line (with us and Pitt being the outliers), 6 of them Catholic, form a conference where the schools looked a lot like each other. There definitely was a culture there. Unique, northeast, tough, etc.

This is throwing darts at a map.

Exactly.

The dimensions are nothing like the 1980s. That's what I said, I think.

But the idea of developing a conference on the basis of TV eyeballs is the same.

 

[Moontan]

If your presumption were accurate, I suspect that Pitt and SU would be employing the same strategy.

One would like to think that Syracuse and Pitt are a little classier... or wiser in not wanting to burn a bridge.

 

[OrangePA]

One would like to think that Syracuse and Pitt are a little classier... or wiser in not wanting to burn a bridge.

Yes, I think the more appropriate approach has been taken by Pitt and SU - both legally and ethically.

And it's the legalities and the ethics that convince me that WVU ain't going nowhere until there is a financial settlement.

 

[Moontan]

The BE probably could have or should have done more to get the TV contract.

Obviously

But since that did not happen, getting Boise State and the University of Houston, as well as a good SMU and a decent UCF is not in my mind "desperate."

It's may have been the best possible scenario based on what was left in the way of options. That doesn't, necessarily, make it "strategic".

It is good business and very strategic. I see no evidence that the BE is sinking - I don't see it and I am pretty sure that Rutgers and UConn don't see it either.

If the BCS tie-in scheme goes away, as some BCS power brokers would like, then the associated BCS revenue stream dries up. Maybe if the membership treads water well enough it won't sink. The revenue gap between the BE and the other, current, BCS conferences will grow.

I really wonder sometimes why so many on this board hate - really hate - the BE and why so many want to see it die.

I don't hate it. I don't need to see it die. I'm just glad that Syracuse was able to abandon (what the University had deemed to be a doomed) ship while it was still afloat.

 

[Bayside44]

Exactly.

The dimensions are nothing like the 1980s. That's what I said, I think.

But the idea of developing a conference on the basis of TV eyeballs is the same.

But that worked because there was genuine interest in each other.

 

[OrangePA]

But that worked because there was genuine interest in each other.

No there wasn't. Just the opposite.

Listen to Boeheim talk about Dave Gavitt in his post Providence press conference.

Nobody wanted the conference - only Gavitt.

Teams that didn't want the conference were thrown together with the idea that the league access large TV markets.

 

[Chip]

By "big name" schools do you mean West Virginia? They have been the only school of the three who has kept Rutgers from anything over the last decade. I think we will compete for a BE title next year again, and you?

You consider your 4-3 season as competing for a BE title? I remember when we were technically in the race last year (ended 4-3) and we were all laughing about possibly being a BCS level champ. I guess that's the comedy of this league, but probably not for long. When the BCS gets rid of all AQs, leaves it up to the bowls, things will be interesting for this new league trying to affiliate itself. I wish they'd invite me to the pitch meetings. As the HC of the only program left from the original BE, I think Schiano should get to go first.

 

[RRRUUU]

Love when someone brings up the GRob era. Under Marrone, we are 2-1 against RU. Should be 3-0.

Marrone > Schiano

One of your own posters brought up this time frame so that is what I responded too...not to mention that half of those years were under Marrone anyway.

We should have won in 2010 as well if not for a missed short FG to ice the game so I don't buy the "should be 3-0" stuff when you just as easily could have been 1-2.

Keep Marrone. He hasn't proven he can recruit or manage a D1 team not to mention his coaching was suspect this year...

 

[OrangePA]

One of your own posters brought up this time frame so that is what I responded too...not to mention that half of those years were under Marrone anyway.

We should have won in 2010 as well if not for a missed short FG to ice the game so I don't buy the "should be 3-0" stuff when you just as easily could have been 1-2.

I still thought the Orange beat up Rutgers last year, despite the Knights' missed FG.

And this year was just plain silly - the Orange should have won the game by 30 points.

Despite all of the inherent advantages that Rutgers has had for years, the Syracuse University Football is ahead in the industry.

I am very confident that our Program will continue to progress and will soon outstip Rutgers by a wide margin.