Big rutgers news coming?

[rrlbees]

One of your own posters brought up this time frame so that is what I responded too...not to mention that half of those years were under Marrone anyway.

We should have won in 2010 as well if not for a missed short FG to ice the game so I don't buy the "should be 3-0" stuff when you just as easily could have been 1-2.

Keep Marrone. He hasn't proven he can recruit or manage a D1 team not to mention his coaching was suspect this year...

And we hope you keep the 12 year wonder.

 

[Rocco]

One of your own posters brought up this time frame so that is what I responded too...not to mention that half of those years were under Marrone anyway.

We should have won in 2010 as well if not for a missed short FG to ice the game so I don't buy the "should be 3-0" stuff when you just as easily could have been 1-2.

Keep Marrone. He hasn't proven he can recruit or manage a D1 team not to mention his coaching was suspect this year...

Schiano can somehow get recruits to "chop wood", but he sure can't coach them. If he could, Rutgers would have been mopping the BE over the last 4-5 years.

 

[Chip]

Well, this post seems to reflect more wishful thinking than objective analysis.

But since that did not happen, getting Boise State and the University of Houston, as well as a good SMU and a decent UCF is not in my mind "desperate."

It is good business and very strategic. I see no evidence that the BE is sinking - I don't see it and I am pretty sure that Rutgers and UConn don't see it either.

I really wonder sometimes why so many on this board hate - really hate - the BE and why so many want to see it die.

What other options did they have? They were a league of 5 teams. So they looked down to the leagues below them and grabbed what they thought were the best options. They had to open up the geography to survive.

Rutgers and UConn are waiting by the phone. But because there is a very real possibility that they will not be called, what are they going to do? Come out in public and say "what is this league thinking !?!?", they're in survival mode too.

As to the last point, I can't speak for others. But I don't feel anything for the Big East anymore. I used to really love this conference, but that conference I loved died awhile ago. So whatever happens now, survives, ends, I really don't care. If the surviving league has any impact at all on SU either positively or negatively, then I hope whatever happens to the league results in the positive impact. I know there are differing opinions on said impact.

 

[Chip]

We should have won in 2010 as well if not for a missed short FG to ice the game so I don't buy the "should be 3-0" stuff when you just as easily could have been 1-2.

Keep Marrone. He hasn't proven he can recruit or manage a D1 team not to mention his coaching was suspect this year...

Our previous coach was 0-4 against Schiano and none of those games were very close.

Our new coach is 2-1, two of those games were basically a push, and in the other, a Top 25 Rutgers team was beaten up, down and all around the football field.

So you want us to keep the guy we have. Nice. Schiano teaching courses to fans in NJ?

 

[Noexcuse]

One of your own posters brought up this time frame so that is what I responded too...not to mention that half of those years were under Marrone anyway.

We should have won in 2010 as well if not for a missed short FG to ice the game so I don't buy the "should be 3-0" stuff when you just as easily could have been 1-2.

Keep Marrone. He hasn't proven he can recruit or manage a D1 team not to mention his coaching was suspect this year...

Please. Your guy hasn't hit .500 yet and that's with that monster OOC schedule you play EVERY year! And really, how did he do his first 3 seasons at the helm, if you just want to compare first 3 seasons. Maybe what you should be doing is developing relationships with the fans on the SDSU or Houston boards since they will be your rivals going forward anyway.

 

[OrangePA]

What other options did they have? They were a league of 5 teams. So they looked down to the leagues below them and grabbed what they thought were the best options. They had to open up the geography to survive.

Rutgers and UConn are waiting by the phone. But because there is a very real possibility that they will not be called, what are they going to do? Come out in public and say "what is this league thinking !?!?", they're in survival mode too.

As to the last point, I can't speak for others. But I don't feel anything for the Big East anymore. I used to really love this conference, but that conference I loved died awhile ago. So whatever happens now, survives, ends, I really don't care. If the surviving league has any impact at all on SU either positively or negatively, then I hope whatever happens to the league results in the positive impact. I know there are differing opinions on said impact.

There were many options - many on the east coast.

But if the question is did the BE review the landscape and select the best teams and the best markets?

The answer is of course.

That is being strategic.

So, yes, the BE was disrupted by the Pitt and SU moves and yes the BE took appropriate action nd it just so happens that in doing so it probably became a better football conference with the additions of Boise, Houston, SMU, SD State and UCF.

 

[Bayside44]

No there wasn't. Just the opposite.

Listen to Boeheim talk about Dave Gavitt in his post Providence press conference.

Nobody wanted the conference - only Gavitt.

Teams that didn't want the conference were thrown together with the idea that the league access large TV markets.

Meaning the fans. It was a CYO conference. The same kid that applied to SU applied to BC. The same kid that applied to BC prolly did so to Villanova and GTown, and on and on. There was a lot of Irish mafia there with the fanbases.

 

[Madbiker]

Thought they were announcing a move to the NEC.

 

[Noexcuse]

There were many options - many on the east coast.

But if the question is did the BE review the landscape and select the best teams and the best markets?

The answer is of course.

That is being strategic.

So, yes, the BE was disrupted by the Pitt and SU moves and yes the BE took appropriate action nd it just so happens that in doing so it probably became a better football conference with the additions of Boise, Houston, SMU, SD State and UCF.

This is probably true, but it's just not a football conference, it's an "all sports" Conference (with some exceptions). And the weight of that (in terms of cost) and the cobbling together of non-traditional rivals makes it less and less appealing on a national basis and probably from a network contract basis as well.

 

[SU2NASA]

Thought they were announcing a move to the NEC.

Patriot League

 

[007]

There were many options - many on the east coast.

But if the question is did the BE review the landscape and select the best teams and the best markets?

The answer is of course.

That is being strategic.

So, yes, the BE was disrupted by the Pitt and SU moves and yes the BE took appropriate action nd it just so happens that in doing so it probably became a better football conference with the additions of Boise, Houston, SMU, SD State and UCF.

It was a strategic response spawned by reactionary desperation. The "strategy" was to hope and pray they could keep the conference intact, add TCU, and try to get more TV money. The additionsof Boise, Houston, SMU, SD State and UCF were hardly proactive, and that is the point. Yes, the BE made the best of the dire straits they found themselves in, and are now trying to sell that "vision" in a last ditch effort for survival. But, the reality is that BE was caught asleep at the switch with the departure of Pitt and SU and, more importantly, in comprehending (accepting?) the full and evolving impact of football and revenue.

They are not a "better football conference" becuase the hybrid conference model is impossible to sustain and will leave the most successful/marketable football playing schools ripe for the picking in the next round of expansion. Moreover, those schools will desperately be seeking an invitation to the ACC, B1G, or Big 12 conferences. This will be compounded exponentially when the AQ is eliminated.

 

[OrangePA]

It was a strategic response spawned by reactionary desperation. The "strategy" was to hope and pray they could keep the conference intact, add TCU, and try to get more TV money. The additionsof Boise, Houston, SMU, SD State and UCF were hardly proactive, and that is the point. Yes, the BE made the best of the dire straits they found themselves in, and are now trying to sell that "vision" in a last ditch effort for survival. But, the reality is that BE was caught asleep at the switch with the departure of Pitt and SU and, more importantly, in comprehending (accepting?) the full and evolving impact of football and revenue.

They are not a "better football conference" becuase the hybrid conference model is impossible to sustain and will leave the most successful/marketable football playing schools ripe for the picking in the next round of expansion. Moreover, those schools will desperately be seeking an invitation to the ACC, B1G, or Big 12 conferences. This will be compounded exponentially when the AQ is eliminated.

I don't think your view of the future is accurate.

But, I certainly hope that someday my "hopes and prayers" deliver me the equivalent of Boise State.

When the AQ is eliminated, conference affiliation will likely be less important.

Indeed, the landscape could perhaps revert back to the days when many schools including SU, Pitt, Penn State and West Virginia didn't need a conference to get a bowl bid.

And since independent status generally relieves the team that receives the bowl bid from sharing revenue, many schools could decide, it to revert back to independent status.

I see that happening rather than a mad dash to expanded conferences.

 

[OrangePA]

This is probably true, but it's just not a football conference, it's an "all sports" Conference (with some exceptions). And the weight of that (in terms of cost) and the cobbling together of non-traditional rivals makes it less and less appealing on a national basis and probably from a network contract basis as well.

Well, the TV programmers seem to have no problem with the BE BB conference despite what you have described.

 

[OrangePA]

Meaning the fans. It was a CYO conference. The same kid that applied to SU applied to BC. The same kid that applied to BC prolly did so to Villanova and GTown, and on and on. There was a lot of Irish mafia there with the fanbases.

Syracuse University was founded by Methodists.

I don't think it's a Catholic school, right?

And I don't think the kids that were being recruited back then applied to any institutions or were all that concerned about religious elments.

 

[Noexcuse]

Well, the TV programmers seem to have no problem with the BE BB conference despite what you have described.

When you are on top, the programmers flock to your door. Let's see how that works out moving forward. Replacing the 3 bb schools that are leaving is not going to be as easy as replacing them for football.

 

[ImperialOrange]

Wow this thread is still going?

The obvious answer is Schiano is both going to the NFL and staying at Rutgers. Dolphins to the AFC South in place of Jacksonville, and Rutgers to the AFC East.

 

[Noexcuse]

Wow this thread is still going?

The obvious answer is Schiano is both going to the NFL and staying at Rutgers. Dolphins to the AFC South in place of Jacksonville, and Rutgers to the AFC East.

Makes sense. Explains their ability to recruit.

 

[BORZAK]

WVU will not be in the BE next year. They just won't show up.

You are correct why don't people realize this.

 

[007]

I don't think your view of the future is accurate.


OPA, I find your use of the verb tense "is" to be "interesting." Unless, of course, you can actually see into the future. In which case, I would like to take you to the Turning Stone. In any case, I do have a better understanding of why you choose to take on everyone with an opposing view - apart from the whole lawyer thing.

 

[OrangePA]

The use of the verb "is" directs to a noun - the poster's view of the future, right?

Addressing a noun with a verb is proper I think, isn't it?

I addressed the poster's "view" and in doing so explained that in my opinion the view is inaccurate.

And yes, I respond to statements that I feel have no factual or logical basis.

But that's the fun of this board - t0 discuss and agree or disagree.

Based on what I did at the Bellagio three weeks ago, neither the lawyer thing nor anything else is of much good to me.

 

[BORZAK]

I THINK THIS SUMS UP THE BIG EAST PROBLEM RIGHT HERE.
WHEN SU AND PITT GO ACC, AND IF ND GOES TO THE ACC WITH UCONN.
AND UWV, LOUISVILLE AND CINNY GO BIG12.

NO ONE LEFT, HAS EVER WON A BIG EAST FOOTBALL LEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIP (1991-2011}

 

[007]

The use of the verb "is" directs to a noun - the poster's view of the future, right?

Addressing a noun with a verb is proper I think, isn't it?

I addressed the poster's "view" and in doing so explained that in my opinion the view is inaccurate.

And yes, I respond to statements that I feel have no factual or logical basis.

But that's the fun of this board - t0 discuss and agree or disagree.

Based on what I did at the Bellagio three weeks ago, neither the lawyer thing nor anything else is of much good to me.

If nothing else, you are a good sport and fun. For the record: "I don't think your view of the future will be accurate." No need to thank me.

 

[Bayside44]

Syracuse University was founded by Methodists.

I don't think it's a Catholic school, right?

And I don't think the kids that were being recruited back then applied to any institutions or were all that concerned about religious elments.

In 1870 SU was, now the student body is or at least was plurality Catholic but that was not my point.

My point is a conference, a true conference has a culture (for lack of a better term) to it. The old Big East had it, the Big 10 and their big schools and corn fed drinkers have it. The SEC clearly does and living in ACC country one can pick out their corporate sponsors and grads pretty quick.

Good luck tying San Diego, Rutgers, Boise and Cincy together.