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Big rutgers news coming?

Schiano isn't going anywhere. Not to mention he is poised to land a few more four/five star recruits over the next two weeks.

Things are going very, very well on the recruiting trail. The conference situation is not hampering our recruiting at all...

Head firmly in sand. But let's look at the bright side here. Once all of the big name schools leave the BE in a year or two, maybe your squad will be able to back their way into their first conference title. SMU vs Rutgers for the Big East title. Catch the fever.
 
With respect Orange PA, there is a great deal of information on this topic (google BCS automatic qualifier status) suggesting that this type of change is imminent. In fact, there are several models on the table from the BCS conference commissioners awaiting consideration by the BCS presidential oversight committee. It is widely acknowledged that any such change to the current AQ will have a profound negative impact on the BE.

The commissioners are expected to make their final model recommendation to the presidents in June 2012.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...ndling-national-championship-game-sources-say


I read the article.

I note that one observer predicts that the end of the AQ will hurt the BE.

That's about all that is said.

That is hardly a statement that there will be a "profound negative impact"

What it means really is that those programs that "travel" well will have a better chance of getting good bowl bids - just the way it was before the BCS came to pass.

So, I don't see the future in the same way you do. Indeed, I don't see the forecasts described in the article impacting SU any differently based upon its conference affiliation

I think that with time the BE teams will develope and compete for bowl spots with a lot of other conference programs, including those in the ACC.
 
Schiano isn't going anywhere. Not to mention he is poised to land a few more four/five star recruits over the next two weeks.

Things are going very, very well on the recruiting trail. The conference situation is not hampering our recruiting at all...


Schiano has recruited well.

I'm sure that this season helped him and I suspect that the conference situation will not hurt him.

I also suspect that the conference situation will help Syracuse University.
 
WVU is gone.

Short of an FBS police, court & prison, there is no way that they stay.

The NCAA should've stepped in already and mediated an amicable conference realignment once it became clear that WVU was not going to play nice. Their (that's college presidents & chancellors, mind you) refusal to act could well be due to the non-BE schools not wanting to get involved... and not minding that the BE (and its membership) is inconvenienced for a year. The only real issue is the scheduling implication for the 7 BE members in 2012. Oh, that and the amount that WVU will pay the BE. The BCS is not going to penalize the BE in the current contract period due to the poaching of programs by one or more member conferences from another member conference.
 
Sure it isn't.

I guess we will wait and let the facts speak for themselves. We havn't had a single decommitment from anyone and will be beating out several national name programs in the SEC /Big 10 for other elite recruits in the next two weeks.

So although it may have some effect in the future we are sitting in a great spot right now as you will soon see...
 
I guess we will wait and let the facts speak for themselves. We havn't had a single decommitment from anyone and will be beating out several national name programs in the SEC /Big 10 for other elite recruits in the next two weeks.

So although it may have some effect in the future we are sitting in a great spot right now as you will soon see...
I think that's great for you guys. Really. I mean given the OOC schedule you have lined up for next year you will need all the help you can get.
 
I guess we will wait and let the facts speak for themselves. We havn't had a single decommitment from anyone and will be beating out several national name programs in the SEC /Big 10 for other elite recruits in the next two weeks.

So although it may have some effect in the future we are sitting in a great spot right now as you will soon see...

You gotta strike while the iron is hot obviously. But when Rutgers has no shot what-so-ever to win a national championship or even play in Sugar, Orange and Fiesta Bowls then what?
 
You gotta strike while the iron is hot obviously. But when Rutgers has no shot what-so-ever to win a national championship or even play in Sugar, Orange and Fiesta Bowls then what?


I don't think your presumption is accurate. Rutgers will have a shot.

That doesn't mean that Schiano will necessarily take advantage of it, but there will be an avenue for him and the program.
 
I hope they are just as good as Savage, Huggins, and Jefferson.

I hope they are just as good as Anthony Davis and Kenny Britt. Not every big name works out but you can't teach talent.

Huggins was a true freshman and has a long time to prove his worth...
 
I read the article.

I note that one observer predicts that the end of the AQ will hurt the BE.

That's about all that is said.

That is hardly a statement that there will be a "profound negative impact"

What it means really is that those programs that "travel" well will have a better chance of getting good bowl bids - just the way it was before the BCS came to pass.

So, I don't see the future in the same way you do. Indeed, I don't see the forecasts described in the article impacting SU any differently based upon its conference affiliation

I think that with time the BE teams will develope and compete for bowl spots with a lot of other conference programs, including those in the ACC.

I make no claims to "seeing the future." My only intent was to give an objective opinion on what many articles have speculated with regards to the BCS. I only linked one.

I wholeheartedly disagree with your take that SU's fate with respect to the impending changes in the BCS will not be impacted by its affiliation with the ACC over the BE. Let's just agree to disagree on that one.

I have to wonder what will happen to the BE when the major conferences decide to expand again? Do you predict that Louisville, Rutgers, UCONN will remain loyal to the hope and vision that, eventually, the BE will be viable?

Although I understand your position that the BE's survival is ultimately good for SU, that has little to do with whether or not it will actually survive...

It's a tough position to be in when you are at the bottom of the food chain and your ass is covered in butter.
 
Head firmly in sand. But let's look at the bright side here. Once all of the big name schools leave the BE in a year or two, maybe your squad will be able to back their way into their first conference title. SMU vs Rutgers for the Big East title. Catch the fever.

By "big name" schools do you mean West Virginia? They have been the only school of the three who has kept Rutgers from anything over the last decade. I think we will compete for a BE title next year again, and you?
 
You gotta strike while the iron is hot obviously. But when Rutgers has no shot what-so-ever to win a national championship or even play in Sugar, Orange and Fiesta Bowls then what?

I think the BE will always be in the mix unless it completely disbands. With the addition of the new teams BE football will actually be better when comparing where these programs(those leaving and coming) all stand today.

I do feel that Rutgers will be in(or pending to be in) another conference by the time you leave anyway...
 
By "big name" schools do you mean West Virginia? They have been the only school of the three who has kept Rutgers from anything over the last decade. I think we will compete for a BE title next year again, and you?

From the 2006-2011 seasons, the "greatest" run in RU history, you are 21-21 in BE play. If we include the numbers from the last decade, you would be below .500. Seems reasonable to assume that at least half of this pathetic conference has keep Rutgers from winning ANYTHING.
 
By "big name" schools do you mean West Virginia? They have been the only school of the three who has kept Rutgers from anything over the last decade. I think we will compete for a BE title next year again, and you?

I think the whole conference will compete for a BE title next year
 
I make no claims to "seeing the future." My only intent was to give an objective opinion on what many articles have speculated with regards to the BCS. I only linked one.

I wholeheartedly disagree with your take that SU's fate with respect to the impending changes in the BCS will not be impacted by its affiliation with the ACC over the BE. Let's just agree to disagree on that one.

I have to wonder what will happen to the BE when the major conferences decide to expand again? Do you predict that Louisville, Rutgers, UCONN will remain loyal to the hope and vision that, eventually, the BE will be viable?

Although I understand your position that the BE's survival is ultimately good for SU, that has little to do with whether or not it will actually survive...

It's a tough position to be in when you are at the bottom of the food chain and your ass is covered in butter.


I simply responded to the article you posted.

It does not say that there will be a "profound negative effect" on the BE.

What it says is that the BCS will select for one game and the bowls will do what they traditionally did - bid for teams based upon dollars to be made with attendance and TV.

It that is to become the model, conference affiliation will mean less than it does today - at least in terms of post season play.

If, on the other hand, conference play inspires attendance and travel capability, affiliation could become a factor.

But right now at least, if the future model is what the article suggests it might be at some point, Syracuse in the BE versus Syracuse in the ACC will not look all that much different when the post-season comes around.

And, if the AQ is gone, I can see the BE staying together in order to take advantage of its new national foot print. The BE has done already what the Big Ten and Pac-12 are now trying to do with their affiliation.

So, again, I don't see things the way you do.
 
By "big name" schools do you mean West Virginia? They have been the only school of the three who has kept Rutgers from anything over the last decade. I think we will compete for a BE title next year again, and you?

:crazy:

To date, Rutgers has never obtained a share of Big East title. Never. For details see Big East Football History.
Rutgers' best-ever finish in the Big East is third. It happened in 2005 and 2006.

This past season, Rutgers finished in a tie for fourth place.

For the past 22 years, West Virginia has always finished ahead of Rutgers. With WVU's imminent departure, there is a good chance that Rutgers will be one spot closer to the top.

Once Syracuse & Pittsburgh head to the ACC and Louisville & Cincinnati join WVU in the Big XII ... that's when Rutgers may have a chance... assuming Boise State, Houston, USF and Yukon all collapse at the same time. Good luck!
 
I think the BE will always be in the mix unless it completely disbands. With the addition of the new teams BE football will actually be better when comparing where these programs(those leaving and coming) all stand today.

I do feel that Rutgers will be in(or pending to be in) another conference by the time you leave anyway...

Not a chance. The BE won't always be in the mix 'just because' and Rutgers will not be in or pending to be in another conference by the time Syracuse leaves.

You're not going anywhere until ND decides what to do and there is no reason for any conference to expand right now without ND moving. Contrary to your belief rutgers offers nothing or else you would already be in a different conference.
 
From the 2006-2011 seasons, the "greatest" run in RU history, you are 21-21 in BE play. If we include the numbers from the last decade, you would be below .500. Seems reasonable to assume that at least half of this pathetic conference has keep Rutgers from winning ANYTHING.

From 2005-2011 Rutgers was 10-4 agianst SU/Pitt and 0-7 against WV.

Clearly SU/Pitt havn't been keeping RU from much. WV/Cincy have been another story.

Seems odd to call a conference pathetic that you finished last in...
 
By "big name" schools do you mean West Virginia? They have been the only school of the three who has kept Rutgers from anything over the last decade. I think we will compete for a BE title next year again, and you?

Actually, I'm referring to the 3 schools who are taking with them national titles, conference titles, Heisman trophies, that type of stuff. I'm referring to the only 3 schools in the BE Conference who have a national identity in collegiate sports. Your Rutgers friends have never understood the concept of brand name. Thankfully, my school is a brand name in collegiate sports. Yours? Not so much.
 
From 2005-2011 Rutgers was 10-4 agianst SU/Pitt and 0-7 against WV.

Clearly SU/Pitt havn't been keeping RU from much. WV/Cincy have been another story.

Seems odd to call a conference pathetic that you finished last in...
Unfortunately, it's a true statement... and because we 're not delusional, like most of the RU fan base, we can safely and securely make such honest statements.
 
From 2005-2011 Rutgers was 10-4 agianst SU/Pitt and 0-7 against WV.

Clearly SU/Pitt havn't been keeping RU from much. WV/Cincy have been another story.

Seems odd to call a conference pathetic that you finished last in...

No, that seems like reality. What does seem odd is you going on another board to trumpet the merits of a Rutgers football team that has a .500 overall record in the most pathetic BCS conference in country.
 
100 plus years of futility can damage the brain-they see glory in 4th place finish's,its so far above the norm for them-

we are still stuck in a blip-blips stop

they are stuck in reality-they are running low on money statewide so cuts to the program will come-butgirls wont survive after they start cutting costs-just look at the money they give shady year in year out for 4th place finish's-

after he is gone they will go low buck
 
I hope they are just as good as Anthony Davis and Kenny Britt. Not every big name works out but you can't teach talent.

Huggins was a true freshman and has a long time to prove his worth...

Which is my point -- kids like Rice, Leonard, McCary, etc were not exactly Rivals top250 guys. I would argue that Davis disappointed at RU despite his draft position (ask the Savage family after the SU game). Judging by the talent on the field, I would say RU is no better than SU over the last few years.
 

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