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I think bust is a little harsh on Kincaid and too early to say for sure with Coleman. Kincaid is an average-ish starter. Maybe a slight disappointment but that's not a bust IMO. Coleman was nearly the youngest player in the draft last year and was very raw coming out but he did some nice things. Just have to hope he develops.

Elam is obviously a gigantic bust.
Basically agree. Coleman has shown enough flashes that I'm hopeful for his development. In hindsight, I'd rather have picked Sam Laporta than Kincaid if we were going TE though. You can rarely go wrong getting an Iowa TE and so far he's been better.
 
Agreed. Due to his running and taking hits, I see the Allen window STARTING to close in the next season or so.
Barring a catastrophic injury to his arm I don't see why that has to be the case. They maybe should cut back on running him in the next year or two, but I don't see why he couldn't thrive in a similar pass heavy offense as Cincinnati runs with Joe Burrow.
 
I think bust is a little harsh on Kincaid and too early to say for sure with Coleman. Kincaid is an average-ish starter. Maybe a slight disappointment but that's not a bust IMO. Coleman was nearly the youngest player in the draft last year and was very raw coming out but he did some nice things. Just have to hope he develops.

Elam is obviously a gigantic bust.
They traded up to get Kincaid. This year was a significant regression. He’s a below average starting tight end, due to his blocking being worse than nearly all our WR’s. As a TE, that’s a big part of your job. Not to mention the receiving was not up to par this year.

Coleman has shown me very little against quality competition. He regressed at the end of the year. Jump balls were supposed to be strength and I have seen next to nothing in the way of winning those types of deep balls this year. Young or not, he needs to improve considerably just to be considered an average WR.
 
They traded up to get Kincaid. This year was a significant regression. He’s a below average starting tight end, due to his blocking being worse than nearly all our WR’s. As a TE, that’s a big part of your job. Not to mention the receiving was not up to par this year.

Coleman has shown me very little against quality competition. He regressed at the end of the year. Jump balls were supposed to be strength and I have seen next to nothing in the way of winning those types of deep balls this year. Young or not, he needs to improve considerably just to be considered an average WR.
Definitely agree Coleman faded down the stretch this year considerably. I think this season was better from Kincaid personally. We used him completely wrong his rookie year. This season was still disappointing from him but was at least a step in the right direction IMO as we started to use him more downfield.

Whether it's Coleman or someone else, we desperately need a threat out wide to open up the middle of the field more for Shakir and Kincaid. Brady did an excellent job of scheming Shakir open against man looks this year but if we can get someone to demand attention out wide, it should open up a lot more holes for Shakir and Kincaid, and despite the drop at the end, they've both got very good hands.

Edit: HOPEFULLY Coleman faded because he's a rookie and was coming back from injury but we'll see. Would obviously prefer him improving as the season went on instead of making a lot of plays early in the year and fading into obscurity.
 
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The ref who had eyes on the ball ruled it past the line to gain.

The ref who only could see the ball carrier’s back (not the ball) marked it a half yard short.

The fact that they didn’t even spot it and measure it was disgraceful.

Bills didn’t lose the game because of that spot, but it was the single biggest momentum change entirely caused by officiating.

Not players.

Classic Bills: Two refs walk it in, one beyond the line, one behind it. The one behind becomes the call on the field, which can't be overturned based on the film.
 
Very displeased with Joe Brady from the 3rd quarter last week and last night. He made it very difficult on Josh to perform. Don’t even get me started with Cook’s usage. Starting to get sick of wasting a generational talent with coaches that have their butts get tight on the playoffs.
 
I've handled the Chiefs winning pretty well. It is does add excitement locally even though I'm not a Chiefs fan.

But after the reaction on Facebook and then a blowhard talk radio host this morning, I'm ready for the Eagles to beat them about 79-0. Getting pretty full of themselves around these parts.
 
Classic Bills: Two refs walk it in, one beyond the line, one behind it. The one behind becomes the call on the field, which can't be overturned based on the film.
that same ref changed his spot on the field every time he ran it to mark a ball.

Why does one ref give up his spot to another and not at least have a discussion? They were off by a couple feet in where they wanted to put the ball so one was going to be wrong anyway.
 
I think bust is a little harsh on Kincaid and too early to say for sure with Coleman. Kincaid is an average-ish starter. Maybe a slight disappointment but that's not a bust IMO. Coleman was nearly the youngest player in the draft last year and was very raw coming out but he did some nice things. Just have to hope he develops.

Elam is obviously a gigantic bust.
His season high was fifty something, nothing downfield, we never miss him when he's out...
Bolton is supposed to stink in coverage and he was hanging all over him on a playfake with good protection. And we drafted him to beat DBs?
 
His season high was fifty something, nothing downfield, we never miss him when he's out...
Bolton is supposed to stink in coverage and he was hanging all over him on a playfake with good protection. And we drafted him to beat DBs?
It's honestly shocking, but Kincaid was actually targeted downfield more than any other TE in the league this year and his average target yardage was like 7th highest in the league for a TE.

Again, totally agree he was disappointing this season but the types of routes we had him running was at least an improvement. The hope is that once we get a legitimate threat out wide, it'll open things up more for him. He's not a super quick-twitch athlete; he's just a guy that has good hands and transitions quickly from catching the ball to running relative to most tight ends.
 
It's honestly shocking, but Kincaid was actually targeted downfield more than any other TE in the league this year and his average target yardage was like 7th highest in the league for a TE.

Again, totally agree he was disappointing this season but the types of routes we had him running was at least an improvement. The hope is that once we get a legitimate threat out wide, it'll open things up more for him. He's not a super quick-twitch athlete; he's just a guy that has good hands and transitions quickly from catching the ball to running relative to most tight ends.

I sorta wonder if he was still hurt from his knee injury earlier in the year. He didn't look as explosive as last year
 
The Chiefs are significantly better on the coaching and front office side than the Bills. And by front office, I specifically mean drafting in the first two rounds. The Bills have whiffed a ton since 2019. And it is coming back to bite them big time with the cap the way it is.

The Bills offense is just as good as the Chiefs defense, in large part because of Josh Allen. Chiefs are able to consistently get pressure on the Bills - credit to their scheme, which works well against everyone.

The Bills defense is not nearly good enough to stay with the Chiefs. And the scheme is fatally flawed. We have seen it time and time again in big games, and again last night.

The best players on the Bills' defense are whom? Matt Milano made a few plays, but who else? Benford going out hurt big time - he's #2.

Bernard regressed significantly this year, and is a below average starting MLB, even with the splash plays. He is out of position all the time, is a bowling pin trying to stop the run, and I just don't see it with him. Rousseau was nowhere last night, along with every other defensive lineman. Was that scheme? Was that the players not being up for the challenge? Ed Oliver was average at best, and he's the best we have.

A lot of rambling, a lot of frustration. But besides Allen, Cook, Shakir & the OL, I'm not sure if any of the others are difference makers. And you need difference makers to win games.
 
Out of curiosity why is it called a tush push? It's Buffalo, call it a stampede.
 
The Chiefs are significantly better on the coaching and front office side than the Bills. And by front office, I specifically mean drafting in the first two rounds. The Bills have whiffed a ton since 2019. And it is coming back to bite them big time with the cap the way it is.

The Bills offense is just as good as the Chiefs defense, in large part because of Josh Allen. Chiefs are able to consistently get pressure on the Bills - credit to their scheme, which works well against everyone.

The Bills defense is not nearly good enough to stay with the Chiefs. And the scheme is fatally flawed. We have seen it time and time again in big games, and again last night.

The best players on the Bills' defense are whom? Matt Milano made a few plays, but who else? Benford going out hurt big time - he's #2.

Bernard regressed significantly this year, and is a below average starting MLB, even with the splash plays. He is out of position all the time, is a bowling pin trying to stop the run, and I just don't see it with him. Rousseau was nowhere last night, along with every other defensive lineman. Was that scheme? Was that the players not being up for the challenge? Ed Oliver was average at best, and he's the best we have.

A lot of rambling, a lot of frustration. But besides Allen, Cook, Shakir & the OL, I'm not sure if any of the others are difference makers. And you need difference makers to win games.
at the end of the day, they had the ball down 3 with a few minutes to go. They needed a well executed drive, a touchdown with almost nothing left on the game clock that would have also forced KC to use their time outs if they were going to actually win. I mean KC could have scored a TD with no time outs and maybe 30 seconds left? Would have to be 10-15 seconds really. They still would have found a way to launch a hail mary that would have been a 50/50 shot. That was the only way the Bills were going to win.

The ball was in the hands of their best player and it did not get done but the O line was a disaster in the last drive as well, which behind Josh has been the Bills strongest unit all year. You can look at the roster etc all you want but it came down to that and they fell short.

Blame Brady, McDermott, Beane, anybody and everybody but the Bills had their opportunity in a game where they made a ton of mistakes but it's going to take a special something to beat the Chiefs, it was there for the taking and they whiffed... AGAIN.

KC is also one of the best teams in the 60 years of the NFL. They are a game away from winning 4 of 5 super bowls. That's pretty good, I think? No?
 
The Chiefs are significantly better on the coaching and front office side than the Bills. And by front office, I specifically mean drafting in the first two rounds. The Bills have whiffed a ton since 2019. And it is coming back to bite them big time with the cap the way it is.

The Bills offense is just as good as the Chiefs defense, in large part because of Josh Allen. Chiefs are able to consistently get pressure on the Bills - credit to their scheme, which works well against everyone.

The Bills defense is not nearly good enough to stay with the Chiefs. And the scheme is fatally flawed. We have seen it time and time again in big games, and again last night.

The best players on the Bills' defense are whom? Matt Milano made a few plays, but who else? Benford going out hurt big time - he's #2.

Bernard regressed significantly this year, and is a below average starting MLB, even with the splash plays. He is out of position all the time, is a bowling pin trying to stop the run, and I just don't see it with him. Rousseau was nowhere last night, along with every other defensive lineman. Was that scheme? Was that the players not being up for the challenge? Ed Oliver was average at best, and he's the best we have.

A lot of rambling, a lot of frustration. But besides Allen, Cook, Shakir & the OL, I'm not sure if any of the others are difference makers. And you need difference makers to win games.
It's always hard to tell if the story is more that the secondary gave up separation quickly enough that the pass rush didn't matter vs. the pass rush actually failing to generate any pressure. I think it was probably more of the former last night, but the line also really struggled to contain Mahomes in the pocket (granted that's much easier said than done). At any rate, Groot had a good season and finally went from a guy that was known for finishing plays after his teammates generate pressure to actually generating it himself. Oliver took a step back from being arguably elite the year before but is still pretty good. Epenesa and Von were both fine (but Von obviously grossly overpaid for being just fine; I have to assume he'll be cut this offseason). Still room for upgrades on the line though, especially at the DT spot next to Oliver.
 
It's honestly shocking, but Kincaid was actually targeted downfield more than any other TE in the league this year and his average target yardage was like 7th highest in the league for a TE.

Again, totally agree he was disappointing this season but the types of routes we had him running was at least an improvement. The hope is that once we get a legitimate threat out wide, it'll open things up more for him. He's not a super quick-twitch athlete; he's just a guy that has good hands and transitions quickly from catching the ball to running relative to most tight ends.

Agreed on Kincaid, no reason to abandon him in year 2, he has certainly flashed at times but we do need him to be more consistent. I think it's clear the Bills have to get an above average WR. How exactly they are gonna do that I have no idea. Clearly the top WR on the market isn't a realistic option but Cooper and Coleman aren't gonna work and Cooper is obviously a FA.
 
The Chiefs are significantly better on the coaching and front office side than the Bills. And by front office, I specifically mean drafting in the first two rounds. The Bills have whiffed a ton since 2019. And it is coming back to bite them big time with the cap the way it is.

The Bills offense is just as good as the Chiefs defense, in large part because of Josh Allen. Chiefs are able to consistently get pressure on the Bills - credit to their scheme, which works well against everyone.

The Bills defense is not nearly good enough to stay with the Chiefs. And the scheme is fatally flawed. We have seen it time and time again in big games, and again last night.

The best players on the Bills' defense are whom? Matt Milano made a few plays, but who else? Benford going out hurt big time - he's #2.

Bernard regressed significantly this year, and is a below average starting MLB, even with the splash plays. He is out of position all the time, is a bowling pin trying to stop the run, and I just don't see it with him. Rousseau was nowhere last night, along with every other defensive lineman. Was that scheme? Was that the players not being up for the challenge? Ed Oliver was average at best, and he's the best we have.

A lot of rambling, a lot of frustration. But besides Allen, Cook, Shakir & the OL, I'm not sure if any of the others are difference makers. And you need difference makers to win games.
Could easily be 2-2 in these playoff games if you just swapped Oliver with Chris Jones.
It's depressing thinking about all the needs on defense. DT, Edge, Safety, CB, LB depth. Every level. It's crazy how few players we have that would start for the Eagles.
 
The Chiefs are significantly better on the coaching and front office side than the Bills. And by front office, I specifically mean drafting in the first two rounds. The Bills have whiffed a ton since 2019. And it is coming back to bite them big time with the cap the way it is.

The Bills offense is just as good as the Chiefs defense, in large part because of Josh Allen. Chiefs are able to consistently get pressure on the Bills - credit to their scheme, which works well against everyone.

The Bills defense is not nearly good enough to stay with the Chiefs. And the scheme is fatally flawed. We have seen it time and time again in big games, and again last night.

The best players on the Bills' defense are whom? Matt Milano made a few plays, but who else? Benford going out hurt big time - he's #2.

Bernard regressed significantly this year, and is a below average starting MLB, even with the splash plays. He is out of position all the time, is a bowling pin trying to stop the run, and I just don't see it with him. Rousseau was nowhere last night, along with every other defensive lineman. Was that scheme? Was that the players not being up for the challenge? Ed Oliver was average at best, and he's the best we have.

A lot of rambling, a lot of frustration. But besides Allen, Cook, Shakir & the OL, I'm not sure if any of the others are difference makers. And you need difference makers to win games.

The DL is overrated for sure and despite spending untold millions the DE spot is again a mess. Miller will be cut for sure but they desperately need a young DE who can get to the passer. Epenesa is a good backup but that's about it. Rousseau is OK but again I think a bit overhyped, has 1 or 2 good games and then is usually MIA for large chunks of the year. Again no easy answer with our salary cap issues and the other issues that have to get addressed ie Safety, CB and WR.

Your spot on about the coaching staffs and front office. I like Beane a lot but the 1st round misses are really starting to add up. Elam has been a disaster, Kincaid has been up and down and Coleman already looks like a major miss. We've done better in the latter rounds but to may areas remain problem areas year after year ie DL, WR, secondary depth. The good news is the OL and RB and LB is in a pretty good spot. Could use another good depth LB with Milano's injury history but there's good talent there. TE is fine though Knox needs to take a pay cut for sure. CB, DE, Safety and WR are probably the most pressing issues as I see it right now.
 
Could easily be 2-2 in these playoff games if you just swapped Oliver with Chris Jones.
It's depressing thinking about all the needs on defense. DT, Edge, Safety, CB, LB depth. Every level. It's crazy how few players we have that would start for the Eagles.
A lot of teams can say that when comparing themselves to the Eagles. They easily have the most talent in the NFL position by position. They're better than KC too. They just don't have Mahomes.
 
A lot of teams can say that when comparing themselves to the Eagles. They easily have the most talent in the NFL position by position. They're better than KC too. They just don't have Mahomes.

Ya they are a fluke who lucked into some players because of extra picks and bad drafting around them. I do think Buffalo has some young D talent in Williams and Bishop and Carter that DT from last year. Still we absolutely need more especially in the secondary and DE.
 
A lot of teams can say that when comparing themselves to the Eagles. They easily have the most talent in the NFL position by position. They're better than KC too. They just don't have Mahomes.
Did I read that you are a Saints fan? Looks like they will hire Moore or McCarthy at this point?

Talk about a franchise that needs to fire their GM, my god. Tough to determine who Saints fans hate more, Loomis or Carr. Have some good friends in New Orleans that have an intense disdain for both
 
Curious to see what the Bills do at WR. The FA market is god awful this season (of course) and I find it highly unlikely they are using there top pick on a WR again. Higgins seems highly highly unlikely with the lack of cap space. I like Godwin but he's not really a fit with Shakir. Do you call Seattle and see if Metcalf can be had, though he has the same Diva issues Diggs had. Go WR in RD 2 with one of the two picks?
 
Did I read that you are a Saints fan? Looks like they will hire Moore or McCarthy at this point?

Talk about a franchise that needs to fire their GM, my god. Tough to determine who Saints fans hate more, Loomis or Carr. Have some good friends in New Orleans that have an intense disdain for both
I've checked out since they signed Carr. Their ineptitude is the main reason I've followed Buffalo more recently. Loomis is 70 and been there 25 years. It's time for him to retire. The entire organization needs to start out fresh and bottom out. They've been in cap hell since well before Brees retirement.
 
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