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Blaming the Wrong Boeheim...

OrangeDW said:
The guy in the game thread who was at the game told us “they’re not even guarding Buddy!!” right around the time they picked him up from 35 feet away on a fast break(a time he often gets open looks). There’s people on here who don’t even know what they’re watching.
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It's all just something you want to see - so you take note of it.

I'll illustrate. Go to the 11:25 mark in the second half. Goodine drifts into the corner for a three, Syracuse is coming down the court fast. In your mind, if that were Buddy, Florida State picking him up would be a miraculous achievement - a result only Buddy Boeheim can achieve, because, spacing! Two points for Syracuse due to the wonders of spacing!

However, it was Goodine. And it was maybe the last possession he played so it wasn't' like they hadn't realized it wasn't Buddy in the game yet.

They picked him up.
That left the lane up open.
Hughes scored gliding to the rim.

I can do this with more drives to the rim with Goodine in the game if it helps. He cut backdoor, his guy turned and lost him, and we had an open drive to the rim, because he moved without the ball. That happens at times too. All sorts of things can happen even if you don't shoot 40% from three.
 
Gotothehole said:
And teams have learned to shut him down.

He is in a slump teams have learned to tightly guard and take him out of the game. He is defensive liability so why give someone who can play defense and rebound a chance?
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Okay so you’re saying no team thought to guard Buddy tightly until Tuesday night. And now that it’s been exposed he’s cooked. Come on.

Jordan Nwora has scored 7 total points in his last two games I think even good players are entitled to ugly slumps every now and then. I understand this is reactionary, but Buddy will be fine long term
 
Ghost said:
It's all just something you want to see - so you take note of it.

I'll illustrate. Go to the 11:25 mark in the second half. Goodine drifts into the corner for a three, Syracuse is coming down the court fast. In your mind, if that were Buddy, Florida State picking him up would be a miraculous achievement - a result only Buddy Boeheim can achieve, because, spacing! Two points for Syracuse due to the wonders of spacing!

However, it was Goodine. And it was maybe the last possession he played so it wasn't' like they hadn't realized it wasn't Buddy in the game yet.

They picked him up.
That left the lane up open.
Hughes scored gliding to the rim.

I can do this with more drives to the rim with Goodine in the game if it helps. He cut backdoor, his guy turned and lost him, and we had an open drive to the rim, because he moved without the ball. That happens at times too. All sorts of things can happen even if you don't shoot 40% from three.
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Nobody guarded Goodine on the play where Hughes scored with 11:27 left to play. Hughes beat his man 1-on-1, plain and simple. Nobody picked Goodine up and left the lane open for Hughes. I think you may also be seeing something you want to see.

And by the way, that wasn't even close to the last possession that Goodine played. He checked into the game with 12:13 to play and checked out with 7:51 to play.

Screenshot with 11:30 on the clock. That's Goodine in the corner. Nobody on Fla St is paying any attention to him whatsoever.

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UpstateSM said:
Okay so you’re saying no team thought to guard Buddy tightly until Tuesday night. And now that it’s been exposed he’s cooked. Come on.

Jordan Nwora has scored 7 total points in his last two games I think even good players are entitled to ugly slumps every now and then. I understand this is reactionary, but Buddy will be fine long term
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Yeah, I'm with you on this one. They gameplan for him - he just can't function at the same level with defensive attention, mixed with athleticism. Which puts us in an insanely awkward position if Eli isn't playing as Buddy's occupying the role of shooting guard. Otherwise, it just puts us in an awkward position against other good defensive teams as, again, he's a shooting guard with a very limited arsenal.

Nevertheless, kid has to play big minutes on the team as constructed. He can shoot it like crazy, and he's a smart player. Plus, typically Eli is in the game, and we're not matching up against a ton of great defensive squads this year.

I think where JB fails is that he just pretends like situations do not, or will not, arise where BB can be negated - and when you have a specialist at SG, you better have prepped your back-up option. Well.

All that being said, this game could have gone just like UVA. Hughes ties it, we go to OT, and Buddy suddenly scores 15 in OT and we blow the roof off the place. He definitely has that kind of impact and shooting ability.

It's not an easy decision for JB at times, but I do think he's making a lot of curious decisions regarding PT knowing the limitations at shooting guard this year.
 
malpearl31 said:
Nobody guarded Goodine on the play where Hughes scored with 11:27 left to play. Hughes beat his man 1-on-1, plain and simple. Nobody picked Goodine up and left the lane open for Hughes. I think you may also be seeing something you want to see.

And by the way, that wasn't even close to the last possession that Goodine played. He checked into the game with 12:13 to play and checked out with 7:51 to play.

Screenshot with 11:30 on the clock. That's Goodine in the corner. Nobody on Fla St is paying any attention to him whatsoever.

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Well, my first post was deleted :( So, I'll repost since your post was not, and that seems a tad unfair

Anyway, this post is manipulative. You screen grab before the play develops. You know that.

1. Defender picks up Hughes (as he should)
2. Florida State's other defender picks up two players and offers help (as he should)
3. Trailing defender, who could easily have picked up the drive btw (and you inexplicably choose to leave out), points to other defender to pick up Guerrier
4. That defender, NOT PICTURED, picks up Goodine, leaving the drive open
 
It's kind of a mixed bag. Shooters got to shoot. Their attitude is always the next shot will go down.

As someone pointed out, if Buddy is in the game it takes one and yesterday, many times two defenders to account for him giving more space to other players. Goodine will not bring those defenders.
 
i did not see buddy double teamed once yesterday. this is pure crazy talk . if you got a time stamp please share it. cuz i got at least a dozen of him totally unguarded on the perimeter.
 
Ghost said:
Well, my first post was deleted :( So, I'll repost since your post was not, and that seems a tad unfair

Anyway, this post is manipulative. You screen grab before the play develops. You know that.

1. Defender picks up Hughes (as he should)
2. Florida State's other defender picks up two players and offers help (as he should)
3. Trailing defender, who could easily have picked up the drive btw (and you inexplicably choose to leave out), points to other defender to pick up Guerrier
4. That defender, NOT PICTURED, picks up Goodine, leaving the drive open
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Manipulative?!?! Lol. All I did was post a screenshot, my man... And the play had already begun to develop, it was a 3-on-2 fast break after Marek made a nice lob pass to Elijah to beat the pressure defense.

Here's the screenshot from literally one second later. The Fla St defender that was back on the play (the big white guy) stayed with Quincy. He did not guard two players, he guarded Quincy, who cut to the basket. He ignored Goodine, who simply stood in the corner. The trailing defender did make a move to the corner to guard Brycen, but Hughes had already begun his 1-on-1 drive to the basket by that point.



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This was a nice individual play by Hughes - no more, no less - it started with the back cut to get free, Marek made a great pass, and then Hughes finished the fast break opportunity. People see what they want to see with Buddy - and some people see what they want to see with Brycen.

I'm on record as saying that I am all for Brycen getting more minutes - especially in a game like yesterday, where Buddy had his worst game of the season. But I think you have to be fair... Brycen really didn't do anything out there. He didn't hurt us, but it's not like he was flying around making plays, either.
 
tbonezone said:
i did not see buddy double teamed once yesterday. this is pure crazy talk . if you got a time stamp please share it. cuz i got at least a dozen of him totally unguarded on the perimeter.
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Here you go:
5:43 to play, tie game. Hughes passes to Buddy in the corner - Fla St immediately sends 2 defenders at him. Buddy ends up with the "hockey assist", as he passed the ball back to Hughes - who then swung it to Girard (trailing on the play, not pictured in this screenshot) and Joe knocked down the open 3 to give us our first lead in the 2nd half.


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malpearl31 said:
Manipulative?!?! Lol. All I did was post a screenshot, my man... And the play had already begun to develop, it was a 3-on-2 fast break after Marek made a nice lob pass to Elijah to beat the pressure defense.

Here's the screenshot from literally one second later. The Fla St defender that was back on the play (the big white guy) stayed with Quincy. He did not guard two players, he guarded Quincy, who cut to the basket. He ignored Goodine, who simply stood in the corner. The trailing defender did make a move to the corner to guard Brycen, but Hughes had already begun his 1-on-1 drive to the basket by that point.
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I'm not even sure what you're arguing. Other than posting worthless screenshots. You clearly watched the play.

The third defender pointed for white guy to pick up QG, instead of cutting off the drive, he drifts out to the corner shooter. He opts not to cut off the drive.

The white guy is back on defense, and essentially offering help on all options, ball handler, and the far side of the court. He's not specially guarding anyone on the screenshot but stays with QG on the cut and defends the lane. I'm not even sure what you're watching.

The third defender could have stopped the drive. It's plain as day. Watch it evolve in motion. He drifted to the shooter instead of cutting off the drive, as he could have opted. It's exactly what happened. Perhaps an error in judgment...but it is what happened.

I even laid it out in nice easy steps to follow.
 
malpearl31 said:
Here you go:
5:43 to play, tie game. Hughes passes to Buddy in the corner - Fla St immediately sends 2 defenders at him. Buddy ends up with the "hockey assist", as he passed the ball back to Hughes - who then swung it to Girard (trailing on the play, not pictured in this screenshot) and Joe knocked down the open 3 to give us our first lead in the 2nd half.


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That's because zero people are guarding him to start the play. What are you even watching???????

It's help defense - it's not a new concept. He's open in the corner. The guy on Eli when he has the ball helps/rotates down because he's not being guarded at all for a corner three - the other guy does a closeout as he's supposed to and the defender goes back to Eli.

That's not a double team. What world am I in.
 
malpearl31 said:
The Fla St defender that was back on the play (the big white guy) stayed with Quincy.
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Lost me here, but maybe don't understand something.
Ball on wing, Quincy cutting to hoop, and Brycen in far corner.
Regardless who's in the far corner, leaving Quincy = giving up a pass/dunk(?)
 
UpstateSM said:
Okay so you’re saying no team thought to guard Buddy tightly until Tuesday night. And now that it’s been exposed he’s cooked. Come on.

Jordan Nwora has scored 7 total points in his last two games I think even good players are entitled to ugly slumps every now and then. I understand this is reactionary, but Buddy will be fine long term
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Let me break it down for you. Long athletic guards give him problems.
 
Ghost said:
I'm not even sure what you're arguing. Other than posting worthless screenshots. You clearly watched the play.

The third defender pointed for white guy to pick up QG, instead of cutting off the drive, he drifts out to the corner shooter. He opts not to cut off the drive.

The white guy is back on defense, and essentially offering help on all options, ball handler, and the far side of the court. He's not specially guarding anyone on the screenshot but stays with QG on the cut and defends the lane. I'm not even sure what you're watching.

The third defender could have stopped the drive. It's plain as day. Watch it evolve in motion. He drifted to the shooter instead of cutting off the drive, as he could have opted. It's exactly what happened. Perhaps an error in judgment...but it is what happened.

I even laid it out in nice easy steps to follow.
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I really wasn't arguing anything, I was just responding to your post that seemed to give the credit on this play to Brycen for smartly drifting to the corner. But if I misinterpreted your comment, apologies.

I had also just re-watched the 2nd half - wanted to see how much Brycen had contributed to the 11-4 run by SU when he subbed in for Buddy. (My analysis: Not very much.) I probably got too hung up on your comment that it was maybe the last possession Brycen had played (not even close) and wrongly assumed your memory was inaccurate.

It was really a very standard 3-on-2 fast break - nice play by Hughes, no more and no less. If that's your take, too, then we're in agreement.
 
Cusefan0307 said:
The problem is you make posts that people have figured him out and act like he will never make a shot again it brings out the posters Ghost keeps whining about and makes everyone look like they know nothing about basketball.
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The point is this he has to find a way to impact the game when he is not scoring
 
Ghost said:
That's because zero people are guarding him to start the play. What are you even watching???????

It's help defense - it's not a new concept. He's open in the corner. The guy on Eli when he has the ball helps/rotates down because he's not being guarded at all for a corner three - the other guy does a closeout as he's supposed to and the defender goes back to Eli.

That's not a double team. What world am I in.
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If this is not a double-team, then nothing is. Two guys went to guard Buddy, which left Joe open for a 3. I'm surprised someone would even think this was arguable.

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