bracketmatrix.com still has us in

[Halfmooncuse]

The only way we are in is if JB says this is his last season and he will resign after he coaches the number of conference games he had to sit out this year next season!

 

[Nicknack]

I keep seeing this and want to believe it, but in my gut I can't see the NCAA rewarding us for being punished. Because bottom line, that is what it would amount to.

Not really...

First, the committee isn't the same body that punished us so. Second, the committee is charged with the responsibility to field the best 68 teams that they can. The reason for Boeheim's absence is inconsequential. Also, we aren't the only team that they will be looking at in this way (i.e. Witchita State).

I believe it will come down to the question "okay boys, if Boeheim were coaching those nine games, how many more (if any) would the team had won". This is the concerning part because even on this board, some would respond with 0. In my opinion, certainly 1 but very likely 2. That wouldn't give us much of a boost but it could be a difference maker depending on what the other bubble teams do.

 

[TexanMark]

Not really...

First, the committee isn't the same body that punished us so. Second, the committee is charged with the responsibility to field the best 68 teams that they can. The reason for Boeheim's absence is inconsequential. Also, we aren't the only team that they will be looking at in this way (i.e. Witchita State).

I believe it will come down to the question "okay boys, if Boeheim were coaching those nine games, how many more (if any) would the team had won". This is the concerning part because even on this board, some would respond with 0. In my opinion, certainly 1 but very likely 2. That wouldn't give us much of a boost but it could be a difference maker depending on what the other bubble teams do.

If Boeheim was out with a medical or family reason...it would be valid.

Rightly or wrongly the NCAA suspended him for those 9 games...the boys in back room are not going to give him a break.

 

[Newhouser]

If Boeheim was out with a medical or family reason...it would be valid.

Rightly or wrongly the NCAA suspended him for those 9 games...the boys in back room are not going to give him a break.

Unless possibly the boys in the back room think that the penalty was excessive and unfair. NOt saying they were but every person in that room could also be thinking "that could easily have been my school".

 

[Otto'd]

If Boeheim was out with a medical or family reason...it would be valid.

Rightly or wrongly the NCAA suspended him for those 9 games...the boys in back room are not going to give him a break.

That is my thought.
Medical/Family would be different than suspension.

 

[CusefanATL]

If Boeheim was out with a medical or family reason...it would be valid.

Rightly or wrongly the NCAA suspended him for those 9 games...the boys in back room are not going to give him a break.

add that to our replacement coach is our signed sealed and delivered coach in waiting. Not a walk on player or something.

 

[Ryand877]

That is my thought.
Medical/Family would be different than suspension.

Why does it matter? He wasn't there to coach. Would one make the same argument if a player missed 9 games from suspension vs injury? I'm not saying we should get in, far from it. Just being devils advocate.

 

[jncuse]

The matrix is a great tool, but it needs to be viewed properly. The matrix as posted right now, is not accurate if you are simply looking at the totals.. The majority of those brackets were updated before yesterday's games were even played, and some before yesterday.

If you want to get the proper information from the matrix please see my bubble watch threads. As soon as I see they release the latest updates. I take their data, but only count the submissions from that day. Note - the matrix has yet to be updated this morning, but as soon as it has been I will post uit

 

[jncuse]

Not really...

First, the committee isn't the same body that punished us so. Second, the committee is charged with the responsibility to field the best 68 teams that they can. The reason for Boeheim's absence is inconsequential. Also, we aren't the only team that they will be looking at in this way (i.e. Witchita State).

I believe it will come down to the question "okay boys, if Boeheim were coaching those nine games, how many more (if any) would the team had won". This is the concerning part because even on this board, some would respond with 0. In my opinion, certainly 1 but very likely 2. That wouldn't give us much of a boost but it could be a difference maker depending on what the other bubble teams do.

I would guess they say zero. They need to isolate this as the true factor for those games - that is different than them saying it could be it Given how inconsistent we were down the stretch, that becomes a possible reason as well.

 

[Otto'd]

Why does it matter? He wasn't there to coach. Would one make the same argument if a player missed 9 games from suspension vs injury? I'm not saying we should get in, far from it. Just being devils advocate.

Because like TexanMark said, whether we think our punishment was right or wrong, JB missing those games was a direct result of us breaking NCAA rules (stupid rules,sure. but thats not the point right now) . If we did not break those stupid rules, JB would not have been suspended.
If the committee lessens the value of a loss because JB was absent due to suspension, you are in essence telling the rest of the basketball world "go ahead and break the rules, our punishments won't factor into our evaluations of your teams" . If we take off the Orange goggles for a minute is that something we would be OK with in the case of say Louisville in the same situation?

 

[SWC75]

They link in the original post now has in the "first four out" but it appears to be in the field of 64, so I guess they have us in a play in game - if nothing changes, which, of course it will.

 

[jncuse]

problem is that things wont stay the same and we will be slipping down the ladder daily to the point where we are out

There is a total lack of P5 teams pushing up right now that are just one win away. There will maybe be a couple that pass us this weekend, and we will end up in one of the last few spots out on the Matrix. But we will not fall off the radar.

 

[jncuse]

Today is not going to change anything. Nobody will pass us today on the matrix.

Friday -- now that is the big day.

UConn can beat Cincy,
Florida, Michigan, Ohio St can win it's second game in their tournments.

 

[jncuse]

Note - the bracket matrix has been updated -- there are 30 fresh brackets from today for us to observe some sort of consensus. I will update it in today's bubble watch thread

 

[MGP]

Because like TexanMark said, whether we think our punishment was right or wrong, JB missing those games was a direct result of us breaking NCAA rules (stupid rules,sure. but thats not the point right now) . If we did not break those stupid rules, JB would not have been suspended.
If the committee lessens the value of a loss because JB was absent due to suspension, you are in essence telling the rest of the basketball world "go ahead and break the rules, our punishments won't factor into our evaluations of your teams" . If we take off the Orange goggles for a minute is that something we would be OK with in the case of say Louisville in the same situation?

Well then with that logic they should have ruled us ineligible again this year. They can't have their cake...(or maybe they can , who knows?)

 

[TexanMark]

Well then with that logic they should have ruled us ineligible again this year. They can't have their cake...(or maybe they can , who knows?)

Huh? If we won 1 or 2 more games we would be in...19 wins is the bubble.

The committee falls in love with the Monmouth's and St. Mary's every year to the detriment of the middle of the road high majors who play in brutal conferences.

 

[TexanMark]

This guy has us as a Two Seed in the NIT

http://www.dratings.com/predictor/bracketology/

 

[MGP]

Huh? If we won 1 or 2 more games we would be in...19 wins is the bubble.

The committee falls in love with the Monmouth's and St. Mary's every year to the detriment of the middle of the road high majors who play in brutal conferences.

I agree. I was just saying that they should not diminish JB's absence by the circumstances surrounding it. They've punished us already, we sat out self-imposed last year. The two committees (infractions & selection) are separate. If they were to factor that in again this year, it would be hypocritical and they should just suspend us again (but then again the NCAA being hypocritical would just be par for the course)...

 

[jncuse]

Updated for today's brackets only.


Rankings based on the 30 submissions from today on the Matrix
Bold plays Thursday, Underlined Italics are Done


In, but not locked in my view (brackets out of 30)
St. Joes (30)
Oregon St (30) - vs Cal
Vanderbilt (30) - vs Tennessee
Cincinnati (29)
St. Bonaventure (29)
VCU (24)
UConn (23)
Wichita St (18)
Tulsa (17)
St. Mary's (16)

OUT
Syracuse (12)
Monmouth (11)
Temple (Need at Least 2 Wins)
Michigan (3) (Need at least 2 wins) - vs Northwestern
Florida (2) (Need at Least 2 Wins) vs Arkansas
Georgia Tech (2) (Likely need 2 wins, maybe 1 but unlikely) vs Virginia
George Washington (2) (Need to Reach A-10 final)
Valparaiso (1)

 

[MGP]

Huh? If we won 1 or 2 more games we would be in...19 wins is the bubble.

The committee falls in love with the Monmouth's and St. Mary's every year to the detriment of the middle of the road high majors who play in brutal conferences.

Actually, not sure if I agree. I think that is the perception that they love the mid-major, but the trend the last few years has been in favor of the big boys...

 

[andyw715]

Because like TexanMark said, whether we think our punishment was right or wrong, JB missing those games was a direct result of us breaking NCAA rules (stupid rules,sure. but thats not the point right now) . If we did not break those stupid rules, JB would not have been suspended.
If the committee lessens the value of a loss because JB was absent due to suspension, you are in essence telling the rest of the basketball world "go ahead and break the rules, our punishments won't factor into our evaluations of your teams" . If we take off the Orange goggles for a minute is that something we would be OK with in the case of say Louisville in the same situation?

I guess. I see the suspension as a sentence brought down on JB that seemingly affected the team. I don't feel that the intention of the suspension was to further punish the team/program (that has already been done with scholarship reductions/ban/recruiting constraints/money)

By moving the suspension to December you can tell it was directed toward JB. It lightened the potential load that Hop had to coach through.
(If it wasn't moved it would have included games @Duke, @Uva, ND, BC, and WF)

Who knows if that scenario would have yielded W's vs Duke and ND, or even Wake.

 

[jncuse]

Huh? If we won 1 or 2 more games we would be in...19 wins is the bubble.

The committee falls in love with the Monmouth's and St. Mary's every year to the detriment of the middle of the road high majors who play in brutal conferences.

My view is the opposite. There has been a few that got in, but more often than not these level of teams get shafted. Monmouth is most unique because they have the most P5 wins by a low mid major in a while.