Brey

[AZOrange]

my vote would still be JB for COY but Brey is making it really hard. He is a tremendous coach.

 

[OrlandoCuse]

Hasn't Brey won the darn thing almost every year?

 

[AZOrange]

Hasn't Brey won the darn thing almost every year?

pretty sure it was just last year.

 

[BlackKnight76]

Hasn't Brey won the darn thing almost every year?

3 of the last 5 according to Axe.

 

[Orangemen]

I would vote for him for luckiest coach of the year.

SU without Melo, Marq without their center.

2 sure losses on the schedule become wins out of thin air.

Sure, he's done a great job getting them even to .500 in conf. But they have had some very good scheduling luck recently.

 

[orangenauburn]

IMO Coach of the year should be able to win on the road too ... just saying

 

[pearl31]

I would vote for him for luckiest coach of the year.

SU without Melo, Marq without their center.

2 sure losses on the schedule become wins out of thin air.

Sure, he's done a great job getting them even to .500 in conf. But they have had some very good scheduling luck recently.

well, Marquette hasn't had Gardner for the past 3 games (all wins) and we were able to beat Cinci and WV without Fab...

 

[Orangemen]

well, Marquette hasn't had Gardner for the past 3 games (all wins) and we were able to beat Cinci and WV without Fab...

So they would have beat us if we had Fab?

They should consider it a victory if they could stay within 15 points of us with Fab playing.

 

[CuseManiac]

I would vote for him for luckiest coach of the year.

SU without Melo, Marq without their center.

2 sure losses on the schedule become wins out of thin air.

Sure, he's done a great job getting them even to .500 in conf. But they have had some very good scheduling luck recently.

He lost Tim Abromaitis who was probably their best player to an ACL so i wouldnt say he is that lucky

 

[OrlandoCuse]

Brey's a very good coach. He gets the most out of the type of players he recruits. He doesn't go for athletes, but rather cerebral players that can play in his system (and shoot too). Typical Indiana kids.

I think the reason Brey wins so many BE COY awards is because of the expectations of Notre Dame. Most of the other teams and writers look and ND's roster and think "how will they win 5 games in the BE?". But every year, they seem to put together a nice conference season.

That being said, ND always seems to lay a giant egg in the NCAA tourney. Their results in the post season in last decade are horrible.

 

[TheOrangeBuddha]

Brey is a terrible recruiter that has made a name for himself with four/five year players that use their basketball IQ and maturity to occasionally outplay younger Big East teams. His non-conference and post-season performances have been awful. There is a sizeable ND backer group that is tiring of his inability to move the program forward.

 

[VaBeachOrFan]

JB should get some COY consideration for keeping the Cuse focused on BB while the Fine Mess was swirling all around.-VBOF

 

[PoppyHart]

I don't understand why seemingly every thread has to turn into some hate fest. Are people that insecure, angry, and naive to admit that the guy's done a great job? He's not the "luckiest" coach, he's not a "terrible" recruiter, and they've won at Lou, SHU, and UCONN, contrary to the assertion that they only win at home.

 

[jdubs30]

I don't understand why seemingly every thread has to turn into some hate fest. Are people that insecure, angry, and naive to admit that the guy's done a great job? He's not the "luckiest" coach, he's not a "terrible" recruiter, and they've won at Lou, SHU, and UCONN, contrary to the assertion that they only win at home.

He recruits to his system very well. Unlike a lot of other coaches he just doesn't throw schollys at every top 100 player.

Plus you have to consider the academic side of ND recruiting, makes it alot harder

 

[TheOrangeBuddha]

No hate, insecurity, or anger on my part. Just explaining the facts that Notre Dame basketball recruits on a level equivalent to Butler (or worse) at this point. They've gone a decade without a significant recruiting class, nowhere near the Top-25. The alums are getting restless with his moving the program into a "good enough to win some quality games" but "no where near good enough to get past the first weekend of the NCAA tournament or even into the NCAA tournament."

Nothing I said earlier is incorrect. Yes, Brey has found a style that ssuits the talent (or lack thereof) on his team to make the sum of the parts greater then their individual abilities. This is what we all should ask for in a coach and Brey should be commended. However, it is entirely his fault that there isn't a single player on the ND team with the ability to carry the team on his shoulders. By not being able to attrack any top level talent, Brey has left himself no other alternative to field a competitive team.

As for the academic fallacy - it simply isn't true. Any NCAA Clearinghouse qualified football or basketball player is accepted to Notre Dame. Period.

 

[stuckinbig11]

If they give awards for teaching players how to foul a shooter discretely so that no foul will be called, Brey is a winner. They do not go after the ball or the arms when an opponent is going up for a layup or inside putback, they give a hidden shove to the waist, which alters body dynamics and puts the wrong trajectory on the shot. Refs never call it.

 

[AZOrange]

3 of the last 5 according to Axe.

Maybe in the BE...but nationally?

 

[AZOrange]

Brey has recruited some good players there. He is not going to compete nationally with UNC, UK and Cuse.

 

[timkay99]

No hate, insecurity, or anger on my part. Just explaining the facts that Notre Dame basketball recruits on a level equivalent to Butler (or worse) at this point. They've gone a decade without a significant recruiting class, nowhere near the Top-25. The alums are getting restless with his moving the program into a "good enough to win some quality games" but "no where near good enough to get past the first weekend of the NCAA tournament or even into the NCAA tournament."

Nothing I said earlier is incorrect. Yes, Brey has found a style that ssuits the talent (or lack thereof) on his team to make the sum of the parts greater then their individual abilities. This is what we all should ask for in a coach and Brey should be commended. However, it is entirely his fault that there isn't a single player on the ND team with the ability to carry the team on his shoulders. By not being able to attrack any top level talent, Brey has left himself no other alternative to field a competitive team.

As for the academic fallacy - it simply isn't true. Any NCAA Clearinghouse qualified football or basketball player is accepted to Notre Dame. Period.

I find it interesting there is a post about this after Brey had a team win 27 games last season and graduate almost everybody. You do know they graduated 3 of 5 starters and lost a 4th (Abromaitis) to injury? It is hard for any coach to replace that level of talent and he has done a remarkable job.

Last year, the team had Ben Hansbrough to carry the load. Pretty sure that is solid. Team also had Luke Harangody for awhile, pretty solid college player.

Brey is fielding a competitive team right now.

And, btw, Notre Dame has 2 **** committed for this upcoming year, which is the best class they have had in Brey's tenure.

Methinks you are talking to a bunch of Notre Dame fans who still think that Notre Dame is the best team in football and expect the same unreasonable things in basketball.

 

[TheOrangeBuddha]

Ben Hansbrough and Luke Harangody were good but not top end recruits (Hansbrough was a transfer from Mississippi State). The problem is that Brey cannot attrack top end talent.

He has not had a recruiting class worth a damn in the last decade. That's okay for a cycle or two, but not for a decade. That kind of recruiting simply would not be stood for at Syracuse or any other program that gives one iota about their hoops team, especially one that allegedly has some of the top resources and selling points that Notre Dame claims to have.

 

[timkay99]

Ben Hansbrough and Luke Harangody were good but not top end recruits (Hansbrough was a transfer from Mississippi State). The problem is that Brey cannot attrack top end talent.

He has not had a recruiting class worth a damn in the last decade. That's okay for a cycle or two, but not for a decade. That kind of recruiting simply would not be stood for at Syracuse or any other program that gives one iota about their hoops team, especially one that allegedly has some of the top resources and selling points that Notre Dame claims to have.

Then couldn't you make these same comments about Stanford? The nature of the beast is Notre Dame doesn't have very good facilities for basketball. What selling points does Notre Dame claim to have in regards to basketball? My dad is a Notre Dame alum and he watches every basketball game, but cares much, much more about football.

I think you answer your own question. Notre Dame doesn't care about their hoops team (as long as they aren't horrid). Which makes the job Brey has done that much more impressive. Football gets all the money at Notre Dame (my dad even acknowledges this).

If Brey had a "Harangody Center", I am sure he would recruit a lot more high end talent.

So, since Hansbrough was a transfer, does JB not get credit for getting Wes Johnson in your eyes?

 

[longtimefan]

Then couldn't you make these same comments about Stanford? The nature of the beast is Notre Dame doesn't have very good facilities for basketball. What selling points does Notre Dame claim to have in regards to basketball? My dad is a Notre Dame alum and he watches every basketball game, but cares much, much more about football.

I think you answer your own question. Notre Dame doesn't care about their hoops team (as long as they aren't horrid). Which makes the job Brey has done that much more impressive. Football gets all the money at Notre Dame (my dad even acknowledges this).

If Brey had a "Harangody Center", I am sure he would recruit a lot more high end talent.

So, since Hansbrough was a transfer, does JB not get credit for getting Wes Johnson in your eyes?

I'll butt in here.

The P-S had a big piece on ND hoops when they visited the dome last season. Lots of stuff from Brey about how he runs his program. He is big on transfers, saying that he actively pursues them. Not just Hansborough, but 2 on this season's roster--one from Purdue, one from Mich St, and many others over the past decade. So no, SU does not use transfers the way ND (Brey) does.

He also red shirts players regularly--Abromaitis sat out a year (and may not get a waiver from the NCAA to play a 6th year). Brey had an interesting story about why he decided to make red shirting a pillar of his program. He put freshman McAlarney on the court, saw him get physically abused by Krauser, and decided that he had to use more mature players if he wanted to compete.

As to football "gets all the money": I'm sure that they get most of it, but their other programs are well taken care of. They put more than a few million dollars into renovating the Joyce Center a couple of years ago. They support their women's hoops program very well, and they probably grant more scholarships in "Olympic" sports than anyone but Stanford and a few of the mega state programs.