Buddy Boeheim ranks among ESPN’s top 2022 NBA Draft prospects

[OmahaCuse]

Doug McDermott was a 3 time first team all-American in college.
Same player. Okay.

Buddy’s NBA comp ideally is a shorter Steve Novak.

Watched McDermott in person many times, he played in the Mo Valley and one year in a very bad Big East. Great shooter, only 6’6” and cant jump or run. If he was in ACC instead of Mo Valley different guy

 

[Alsacs]

Watched McDermott in person many times, he played in the Mo Valley and one year in a very bad Big East. Great shooter, only 6’6” and cant jump or run. If he was in ACC instead of Mo Valley different guy

The ACC sucked last year.
The ACC in 2019-2020 wasn’t the old Big East.

The idea that playing in the ACC is why Buddy didn’t put up Doug McDermott numbers is just not true.
McDermott shot over 40% from 3 every single year and wasn’t UNDER 57% from 2 any season.

Buddy Boeheim is not even close to McDermott’s league.

 

[OmahaCuse]

The ACC sucked last year.
The ACC in 2019-2020 wasn’t the old Big East.

The idea that playing in the ACC is why Buddy didn’t put up Doug McDermott numbers is just not true.
McDermott shot over 40% from 3 every single year and wasn’t UNDER 57% from 2 any season.

Buddy Boeheim is not even close to McDermott’s league.

Mo Valley was pathetic went to most games. Doug was the only legit shooter did not have to defer to Battle, Hughes, White for shots. Doug M certainly put up better #s and has been more consistent but like Buddy can’t create his own shot or play defense. Having seen both play in person many times similar guys, size and ability. We shall see how it goes for Buddy next year and in the draft. Both 4 year college players which is very rare.

 

[OmahaCuse]

Personally think Doug would not have played his 1st two years if he was at SU, CU almost redshirted him year one

 

[Alsacs]

Personally think Doug would not have played his 1st two years if he was at SU, CU almost redshirted him year one

That is an indictment on Jim Boeheim if you believe this.

The idea McDermott would sit 2 years yet Buddy was a rotation player his first year and then been a marathon man the next 3 years is insanity.

 

[OmahaCuse]

That is an indictment on Jim Boeheim if you believe this.

The idea McDermott would sit 2 years yet Buddy was a rotation player his first year and then been a marathon man the next 3 years is insanity.

Like I said Creighton was going to redshirt him as he was not strong enough for Mo Valley. He ended up averaging 14 per game. Just to clarify you are saying in 2010 he would have started over Wes Johnson, Andy Rautins, James Southerland, Rick Jackson or Kris Joseph? He would have not been able to play defense in the zone at that point. Again, he would have redshirted at SU

 

[Alsacs]

Like I said Creighton was going to redshirt him as he was not strong enough for Mo Valley. He ended up averaging 14 per game. Just to clarify you are saying in 2010 he would have started over Wes Johnson, Andy Rautins, James Southerland, Rick Jackson or Kris Joseph? He would have not been able to defense in the zone at that point. Again, he would have redshirted at SU

2010 was 7 deep.
It was an elite 7.
Wes, Scoop, Rick, Andy, AO, Kris, Triche.

If we had a stud like McDermott JB doesn’t sit him.
Pretty simple.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

I expect Buddy will be improved and even better this season. But...quickness is quickness and I have a hard time seeing him guard anyone at the next level.

Yeah .. well we’re not talking about him being a top 7 or 8 guy. But every non championship contending team has specialist fillers who can do one thing and are helpless otherwise . Shooting is one specialty that can get you such a job

 

[djcon57]

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Yeah .. well we’re not talking about him being a top 7 or 8 guy. But every non championship contending team has specialist fillers who can do one thing and are helpless otherwise . Shooting is one specialty that can get you such a job

Name 10 players that are in the nba specifically for shooting.
90 percent of nba forwards and guards can shoot. It’s not 1990.

here’s the nba 3 point % leaders...would out of here would you equate to Buddy

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[Cusefan0307]

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Name 10 players that are in the nba specifically for shooting.
90 percent of nba forwards and guards can shoot. It’s not 1990.

here’s the nba 3 point % leaders...would out of here would you equate to Buddy

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There's a scenario where he turns into Joe Harris or Duncan Robinson. In fact everything being said about Buddy was said about those 2 as well. Anyway this is a dumb argument before the season even starts.

 

[Alsacs]

There's a scenario where he turns into Joe Harris or Duncan Robinson. In fact everything being said about Buddy was said about those 2 as well. Anyway this is a dumb argument before the season even starts.

The reason I don’t see him as good as those NBA guys are he takes and misses too many shots.
Elite shooters make shots at an elite level.
I think Buddy can shoot but I don’t see him as an elite shooter.
Even his Sophomore year with Hughes I didn’t see him shooting like an elite shooter.

 

[Cusefan0307]

The reason I don’t see him as good as those NBA guys are he takes and misses too many shots.
Elite shooters make shots at an elite level.
I think Buddy can shoot but I don’t see him as an elite shooter.
Even his Sophomore year with Hughes I didn’t see him shooting like an elite shooter.

Key word being scenario

Robinson started at D3 and was benched his Senior year at Michigan. Do you guys think anyone thought he had any shot at the NBA?

Harris played on a team that shared the ball more. He averaged 12 ppg his SR year.

We still don’t know what he will shoot this year, but I expect it will be better than last season.

JB’s best players have never been the most efficient. I believe that’s because he gives his guys more of a green light than other coaches.

Even Dion Waiters had meh shooting percentages here. It’s a large part a product of the system we run.

 

[djcon57]

There's a scenario where he turns into Joe Harris or Duncan Robinson. In fact everything being said about Buddy was said about those 2 as well. Anyway this is a dumb argument before the season even starts.

Yes, if he can shoot 48 percent from 3 in the nba, I agree, he will find a spot

 

[Cusefan0307]

Yes, if he can shoot 48 percent from 3 in the nba, I agree, he will find a spot

Last I checked Robinson shoots 40% and it took Harris 4 years to become a regular rotation player.

 

[djcon57]

Last I checked Robinson shoots 40% and it took Harris 4 years to become a regular rotation player.

ok...when Buddy starts for a team in the nba finals you can bump this and say itys. I’ll be sure to do the same.

it’s weird we had countless posts in the past shouting down any suggestion that other players probably weren’t nba caliber, usually correct so, Quincy specifically last year. None are defended with such vigor as when you dare suggest Buddy might not.

Fwiw suggesting Buddy will prob not be a nba player has little to nothing to do about how effective he can be for us this year. Just want that to be clear as some want to suggest otherwise.

 

[MikeSU02]

ok...when Buddy starts for a team in the nba finals you can bump this and say itys. I’ll be sure to do the same.

it’s weird we had countless posts in the past shouting down any suggestion that other players probably weren’t nba caliber, usually correct so, Quincy specifically last year. None are defended with such vigor as when you dare suggest Buddy might not.

Fwiw suggesting Buddy will prob not be a nba player has little to nothing to do about how effective he can be for us this year. Just want that to be clear as some want to suggest otherwise.

The Joe Harris comp is outrageous.

Duncan Robinson was a better shooter than Buddy in college, period. This isn't debatable. We'll see what Buddy does this year, but to this point, it's not comparable.

I don't have time to find the right comp, but it needs to be an end of bench/maybe part time second unit guy that literally stands in the corner to hit threes. That is what you need to find for Buddy.

 

[Cusefan0307]

ok...when Buddy starts for a team in the nba finals you can bump this and say itys. I’ll be sure to do the same.

it’s weird we had countless posts in the past shouting down any suggestion that other players probably weren’t nba caliber, usually correct so, Quincy specifically last year. None are defended with such vigor as when you dare suggest Buddy might not.

Fwiw suggesting Buddy will prob not be a nba player has little to nothing to do about how effective he can be for us this year. Just want that to be clear as some want to suggest otherwise.

Apologize I got sucked in the first place. You asked a question and I answered with a scenario. I never guaranteed anything. We aren't that far off so I don't get the need for the snark.

And in case it matters to you I pull for local CNY players more than other players always. I did with Triche and I did for Rautins and I will for Symir. So sue me if that bothers you because I actually am from upstate New York and like to see local kids do well.

And I don't need it to be inferred it's something else when you should know better from reading my posts on a hidden board.

 

[Cusefan0307]

The Joe Harris comp is outrageous.

Duncan Robinson was a better shooter than Buddy in college, period. This isn't debatable. We'll see what Buddy does this year, but to this point, it's not comparable.

I don't have time to find the right comp, but it needs to be an end of bench/maybe part time second unit guy that literally stands in the corner to hit threes. That is what you need to find for Buddy.

Last I checked Robinson shot 38% from 3 his senior year and averaged 9 ppg on about 7 shots a game. Not sure how it isn't debatable.

 

[djcon57]

Apologize I got sucked in the first place. You asked a question and I answered with a scenario. I never guaranteed anything. We aren't that far off so I don't get the need for the snark.

And in case it matters to you I pull for local CNY players more than other players always. I did with Triche and I did for Rautins and I will for Symir. So sue me if that bothers you because I actually am from upstate New York and like to see local kids do well.

And I don't need it to be inferred it's something else when you should know better from reading my posts on a hidden board.

I just like to deal and debate in reality...if you want to be pull for the cny players and want them to do well that’s fantastic, but I’m allowed to suggest that some of the biased eyes aren’t seeing the whole picture.

Buddy is a fantastic college player, I have no doubt he’ll get on a summer league team in the nba and he’ll have to shoot 45 percent from 3 to stick in the nba and show the ability to cover a 6-8 nba small forward. I don’t think it’s unfair to suggest that the odds are low.

reminder that the initial post I responded to suggested if you don’t think Buddy has a spot in the nba, you don’t watch the nba. so my general sentiment wasn’t necessarily referring to your posts

 

[Cusefan0307]

I just like to deal and debate in reality...if you want to be pull for the cny players and want them to do well that’s fantastic, but I’m allowed to suggest that some of the biased eyes aren’t seeing the whole picture.

Buddy is a fantastic college player, I have no doubt he’ll get on a summer league team in the nba and he’ll have to shoot 45 percent from 3 to stick in the nba and show the ability to cover a 6-8 nba small forward. I don’t think it’s unfair to suggest that the odds are low.

Exactly and I said scenario. I didn't guarantee anything. We weren't far off at all. You suggested something entirely different in your post that pissed me off. If it makes you happier I think we have one sure fire NBA prospect and that is Benny.

 

[MikeSU02]

Last I checked Robinson shot 38% from 3 his senior year and averaged 9 ppg on about 7 shots a game. Not sure how it isn't debatable.

Because he proved he could consistently hit at over 40% his previous two years including 45% two years before. Plus his floor percentages for his career are better than Buddy's.

Right now we're applying %s that Buddy has never achieved to this.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Because he proved he could consistently hit at over 40% his previous two years including 45% two years before. Plus his floor percentages for his career are better than Buddy's.

Right now we're applying %s that Buddy has never achieved to this.

You really think shooting 45% as the 4th, 5th, or 6th option is the same as shooting the high 30's as the first or second? I don't.

 

[MikeSU02]

You really think shooting 45% as the 4th, 5th, or 6th option is the same as shooting the high 30's as the first or second? I don't.

So why weren't Buddy's percentages higher in his earlier years?

 

[two3zone]

Exactly and I said scenario. I didn't guarantee anything. We weren't far off at all. You suggested something entirely different in your post that pissed me off. If it makes you happier I think we have one sure fire NBA prospect and that is Benny.

Buddy is showing up on enough draft boards to show he’s an NBA prospect.

 

[Alsacs]

Buddy is showing up on enough draft boards to show he’s an NBA prospect.

Andy Rautins was the 38th pick in the draft.
That was a decade ago.
I hope Buddy improves his game this year. It will mean we are better but the fact is watching him play here thru 3 years I don’t see an NBA player.

I see a kid who can get hot and when he gets hot is scrotching and can single handily win games but isn’t consistent and can be shut down.

Matthew Hurt is a better player and he didn’t get drafted.