Buddy suspended for Duke

[dollarbill44]

I disagree that an "elbow" is a basketball move. It is always a foul. You can't throw an elbow legally. But you are pointing out that illegal elbows are many times overlooked as part of the game and not treated the same way as a "punch" simply due to the part of the body used. I understand the gray area comment and agree somewhat. However, if you have the luxury of time to review for hours, I think it is prudent to consider the differences in "punches" like people do for elbows.

I can only assume you haven't played much basketball. I've taken many elbows to the face (even broke my nose on one) that had no ill intent. I've never been punched in a game, however. It happens nearly every game to someone.

 

[baggerbob]

A bad year. Capped off with the leading scorer and coach’s son taking himself out of an opportunity to Beat Duke.

Lame.

Actually what Buddy did was wrong, but Jay Bilas
has it right. Now the ACC has opened Pandora's box. From now on after every football or basketball game, they are going to have to go back and disqualify every player, who commits a foul that the referees miss during the game.
Not a smart move on the league's part.

 

[Alsacs]

Buddy threw a punch.
The ACC could have suspended him for a half like the NCAA gave Johnny Manziel a ridiculous half game suspension his last year.

If this wasn’t Buddy’s last game then nobody would complain.

Kid deserves a chance to end his career on the court.
However we as a fanbase outside of the Couscuse wing have to accept he did the deed.

It sucks for the kid but he did it. Intent doesn’t mitigate the crime it mitigates the severity of the crime punishment.

 

[xc84]

I can only assume you haven't played much basketball. I've taken many elbows to the face (even broke my nose on one) that had no ill intent. I've never been punched in a game, however. It happens nearly every game to someone.

LOL...I played in grammar school, high school, college (intramurals) and rec until my late 30s.

You must not have played much if you have never been "punched".

I said elbows are always illegal. Yes, they happen all the time. That's my point. Many times they are intentional and yet, who can really say?

 

[tino]

After hearing Bilas during the game begging for a suspension, he comes out today on Twitter saying it was wrong of the ACC to suspend him...can't make this crap up

 

[HyattsCuse]

LOL...I played in grammar school, high school, college (intramurals) and rec until my late 30s.

You must not have played much if you have never been "punched".

I said elbows are always illegal. Yes, they happen all the time. That's my point. Many times they are intentional and yet, who can really say?

The example that comes to mind is the way players are taught to rebound. You go up for the ball and then you are taught to "chin it" as my coaches called it. Grab it with two hands, elbows out. Then you swing the ball to protect it. Elbows are a bit lowered now but it's still the same idea. When you have players swiping at you after a rebound, an elbow can be inadvertent in the context of a basketball move. That's the difference.

There is no basketball move that involves a closed fist which is the primary characteristic of what's considered a punch.

 

[tptcuse]

Buddy threw a punch.
The ACC could have suspended him for a half like the NCAA gave Johnny Manziel a ridiculous half game suspension his last year.

If this wasn’t Buddy’s last game then nobody would complain.

Kid deserves a chance to end his career on the court.
However we as a fanbase outside of the Couscuse wing have to accept he did the deed.

It sucks for the kid but he did it. Intent doesn’t mitigate the crime it mitigates the severity of the crime punishment.

He’s playing tomorrow. Book it.

 

[xc84]

The primary example that comes to mind is the way players are taught to rebound. You go up for the ball and then you are taught to "chin it" as my coaches called it. Grab it with two hands, elbows out. Then you swing the ball to protect it. Elbows are a bit lowered now but it's still the same idea. When you have players swiping at you after a rebound, an elbow can be inadvertent in the context of a basketball move. That's the difference.

There is no basketball move that involves a closed fist.

but there is no basketball move that involves swinging elbows...which is why it is an infraction even if you don't hit someone.

 

[OttoMets]

I disagree that an "elbow" is a basketball move. It is always a foul. You can't throw an elbow legally. But you are pointing out that illegal elbows are many times overlooked as part of the game and not treated the same way as a "punch" simply due to the part of the body used. I understand the gray area comment and agree somewhat. However, if you have the luxury of time to review for hours, I think it is prudent to consider the differences in "punches" like people do for elbows.

Definitely prudent, I'm just not sure it's realistic. It seems to me that at every step of the way in every sport replay and post hoc review has caused further frustration.

 

[xc84]

This is pointless to debate further. You win. I agree now that any elbow contact should be an ejectable offense.

I never said anything close to that.

 

[MikeSU02]

40 pages on this. Amazing.

The worst part is that we are the joke, and not in on the joke, as a program.

Buddy punched a kid. He got a one game suspension. End of story, but here we are rationalizing, equivocating, etc, when it doesn't really matter. This all amounts to trying to stomp out a cigarette in the middle of a forest fire.

We are 16-16 and about to get trucked for the third time by Duke. We don't have an ESPN 100 kid for next year.

But here we are, grasping at ANYTHING that may somehow take away the injustice that is Buddy's maybe-kinda-sorta-open-hand-twisting-dance-routine leading to a one game suspension against a team that has basically toyed with us.

This thread is sad more than anything. It's not even the ridiculousness of people claiming it's not a punch or he shouldn't have been suspended, it's that we care so much about something that just won't matter, instead of focusing on caring why even our coach says we can't hang with Duke.

Buddy is a good kid and he had a bad moment. In other news, we're about to finish 16-17 for the year.

 

[690West]

Adam schein opened his show with “the ACC is a disgrace!!” Lol. I sometimes love what a homer he is

 

[Ryand877]

Adam schein opened his show with “the ACC is a disgrace!!” Lol. I sometimes love what a homer he is

How do you lose to Cincinnati?!

 

[NineOneSeven]

40 pages on this. Amazing.

The worst part is that we are the joke, and not in on the joke, as a program.

Buddy punched a kid. He got a one game suspension. End of story, but here we are rationalizing, equivocating, etc, when it doesn't really matter. This all amounts to trying to stomp out a cigarette in the middle of a forest fire.

We are 16-16 and about to get trucked for the third time by Duke. We don't have an ESPN 100 kid for next year.

But here we are, grasping at ANYTHING that may somehow take away the injustice that is Buddy's maybe-kinda-sorta-open-hand-twisting-dance-routine leading to a one game suspension against a team that has basically toyed with us.

This thread is sad more than anything. It's not even the ridiculousness of people claiming it's not a punch or he shouldn't have been suspended, it's that we care so much about something that just won't matter, instead of focusing on caring why even our coach says we can't hang with Duke.

Buddy is a good kid and he had a bad moment. In other news, we're about to finish 16-17 for the year.

Tbh I needed this thread. It’s March.

 

[Bayside44]

but there is no basketball move that involves swinging elbows...which is why it is an infraction even if you don't hit someone.

Rebound, pivot. Guys stick their head in there and take it all the time.

 

[xc84]

Rebound, pivot. Guys stick their head in there and take it all the time.

yes...I agree, happens all the time. They are fouls (not always called). Not sure the point.

 

[MikeSU02]

Tbh I needed this thread. It’s March.

 

[Cuse181]

One where JB admitted it was wrong and apologized for it. He could take Leonard Hamiltons masterclass…

Apologize for what? JB didn’t punch anyone lol

 

[DilemaCuse]

40 pages on this. Amazing.

The worst part is that we are the joke, and not in on the joke, as a program.

Buddy punched a kid. He got a one game suspension. End of story, but here we are rationalizing, equivocating, etc, when it doesn't really matter. This all amounts to trying to stomp out a cigarette in the middle of a forest fire.

We are 16-16 and about to get trucked for the third time by Duke. We don't have an ESPN 100 kid for next year.

But here we are, grasping at ANYTHING that may somehow take away the injustice that is Buddy's maybe-kinda-sorta-open-hand-twisting-dance-routine leading to a one game suspension against a team that has basically toyed with us.

This thread is sad more than anything. It's not even the ridiculousness of people claiming it's not a punch or he shouldn't have been suspended, it's that we care so much about something that just won't matter, instead of focusing on caring why even our coach says we can't hang with Duke.

Buddy is a good kid and he had a bad moment. In other news, we're about to finish 16-17 for the year.

Ha, right we used to argue about Fab Melo's suspension as a 1 seed.

Oh how far we have fallen.

 

[dollarbill44]

Actually what Buddy did was wrong, but Jay Bilas
has it right. Now the ACC has opened Pandora's box. From now on after every football or basketball game, they are going to have to go back and disqualify every player, who commits a foul that the referees miss during the game.
Not a smart move on the league's part.

Every foul? No. Why would they disqualify players for normal fouls?

I believe they already do review plays that involve actions that are flagrant/dangerous that should have warranted an ejection, as they should. It's not like Every game has ejectionable offenses. We're talking a handful over a season across the league and they are always caught by someone who can flag it for the conference to review.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Allen was suspended for tripping.

The third time he tripped someone and not by the conference.

I have no issues with Buddy being suspended, but let’s stop pretending the conference enforces rules equally because they don’t.

 

[Bayside44]

yes...I agree, happens all the time. They are fouls (not always called). Not sure the point.

It's a basketball move. And now when refs go to review it they're far more lenient than when that rule started being enforced - because it's a basketball move.

What's not a basketball move is rabbit punching a guy after a made basket.

 

[Cuse181]

40 pages on this. Amazing.

The worst part is that we are the joke, and not in on the joke, as a program.

Buddy punched a kid. He got a one game suspension. End of story, but here we are rationalizing, equivocating, etc, when it doesn't really matter. This all amounts to trying to stomp out a cigarette in the middle of a forest fire.

We are 16-16 and about to get trucked for the third time by Duke. We don't have an ESPN 100 kid for next year.

But here we are, grasping at ANYTHING that may somehow take away the injustice that is Buddy's maybe-kinda-sorta-open-hand-twisting-dance-routine leading to a one game suspension against a team that has basically toyed with us.

This thread is sad more than anything. It's not even the ridiculousness of people claiming it's not a punch or he shouldn't have been suspended, it's that we care so much about something that just won't matter, instead of focusing on caring why even our coach says we can't hang with Duke.

Buddy is a good kid and he had a bad moment. In other news, we're about to finish 16-17 for the year.

Fans rationalizing something bad that happened to the team! Oh no! It almost like fans stands for fanatics and many of them have unhealthy obsession with the team! Whatever will we do with our Shame!

Let’s be honest, no one is guaranteeing syracuse goes out there and competes with Duke, but to write off the fantasy simply because YOU think it’s unrealistic is almost as sad as baselessly defending what buddy did. You don’t have to stomp on peoples hopes, what difference does it make to fans whether or not they believe the team can win? This could be the last game of the season and people hope that it won’t be, it’s not your job to come on and tell them they’re being ridiculous because they’re rooting for the team they are a fan of. All this talk of being disconnected from reality and yet the fan site is writing off a game before they’ve even tipped off. I know I can’t see into the future, but maybe you can (what are tomorrows lottery numbers then?).

 

[tino]

Bilas says ACC broke the rules to suspend Buddy,

 

[SWC75]

After 39 pages, I notice the underlying delight (not well masked) of some in this thread that Buddy is suspended on a questionable post-game decision is equally correlated to those that have had enough of his father at the helm of the program.

If we can win today it will prove that Buddy never should have been starting.

Of course if Jimmy has a great game...