Buddy suspended for Duke

[djcon57]

but there is no basketball move that involves swinging elbows...which is why it is an infraction even if you don't hit someone.

What? Using your elbows after securing a rebound isn’t a basketball move?

 

[Sherman20]

Buddy threw a punch.
The ACC could have suspended him for a half like the NCAA gave Johnny Manziel a ridiculous half game suspension his last year.

If this wasn’t Buddy’s last game then nobody would complain.

Kid deserves a chance to end his career on the court.
However we as a fanbase outside of the Couscuse wing have to accept he did the deed.

It sucks for the kid but he did it. Intent doesn’t mitigate the crime it mitigates the severity of the crime punishment.

I mean, of course I largely agree. But we’re fans. You know, fanatics, which implies some level of irrationality. What Buddy did was wrong, no doubt, and he should have gotten a flagrant foul during the game. But back in the day, Syracuse fans would have rallied around Buddy, who’s a great kid and the polar opposite of his cranky dad, and said it was unfair for this suspension to happen in what could possibly be his last game—or at least pointed out that the refs screwed up for not tossing him out of the game when the altercation happened. Punishing him after the fact isn’t in the rule book, which is what Bilas has argued. This has been such a depressing season, I’d just like to see the fanbase rally around our player now and not be so rational about him deserving his punishment. (We see UConn fans defending psycho Hurley’s behavior all the time.) The rule, btw, is that the refs have to issue the flagrant foul during the game. The ACC shouldn’t have gotten involved after the fact, but they bowed to all the coverage it received. Anyhow, how amazing would it be to see us beat Duke, then Buddy returns and we win the ACC title? Sure it’s unlikely, but that would be the most Syracuse move ever and the sports media would lose its collective minds.

 

[MikeSU02]

Fans rationalizing something bad that happened to the team! Oh no! It almost like fans stands for fanatics and many of them have unhealthy obsession with the team! Whatever will we do with our Shame!

Let’s be honest, no one is guaranteeing syracuse goes out there and competes with Duke, but to write off the fantasy simply because YOU think it’s unrealistic is almost as sad as baselessly defending what buddy did. You don’t have to stomp on peoples hopes, what difference does it make to fans whether or not they believe the team can win? This could be the last game of the season and people hope that it won’t be, it’s not your job to come on and tell them they’re being ridiculous because they’re rooting for the team they are a fan of. All this talk of being disconnected from reality and yet the fan site is writing off a game before they’ve even tipped off. I know I can’t see into the future, but maybe you can (what are tomorrows lottery numbers then?).

Our coach wrote us off against Duke. Multiple times in pressers.

If you've seen my other posts, you'll see where my heart vs my head is at with this as it pertains to the Duke game. Or, you know, my full lifetime of being a fan, growing up in upstate, going to SU for undergrad, or grad school, or still being a fan after moving to NYC. So, please, tell me how to be.

Hope you are getting residuals for these posts of yours.

 

[Sherman20]

JFC, some you make me embarrassed to be an SU fan. Cut the homer crap. It’s sad.

Me right now.

 

[djcon57]

(We see UConn fans defending psycho Hurley’s behavior all the time.)

I get what you are saying but when I see UConn fans defend that type of stuff, personally, I don’t want us to be like that anymore.

 

[FrancoPizza]

If we lose by less than double digits, JB may have an all time epic tirade at the presser.

 

[SWC75]

I can't even understand that some people here are trying to debate whether or not it was a punch.

Yeah, but did those officers actually hit Rodney King with those clubs or were they just swinging them for exercise?

 

[Nicknack]

40 pages on this. Amazing.

The worst part is that we are the joke, and not in on the joke, as a program.

Buddy punched a kid. He got a one game suspension. End of story, but here we are rationalizing, equivocating, etc, when it doesn't really matter. This all amounts to trying to stomp out a cigarette in the middle of a forest fire.

We are 16-16 and about to get trucked for the third time by Duke. We don't have an ESPN 100 kid for next year.

But here we are, grasping at ANYTHING that may somehow take away the injustice that is Buddy's maybe-kinda-sorta-open-hand-twisting-dance-routine leading to a one game suspension against a team that has basically toyed with us.

This thread is sad more than anything. It's not even the ridiculousness of people claiming it's not a punch or he shouldn't have been suspended, it's that we care so much about something that just won't matter, instead of focusing on caring why even our coach says we can't hang with Duke.

Buddy is a good kid and he had a bad moment. In other news, we're about to finish 16-17 for the year.

And yet, after 40 pages, you're still here leaving a comment. Okay.

 

[djcon57]

The third time he tripped someone and not by the conference.

I have no issues with Buddy being suspended, but let’s stop pretending the conference enforces rules equally because they don’t.

Maybe you have a point.

my larger point is maybe not everyone is out to get your favorite team all the time. The idea that they evil acc is rubbing their hands together in delight because somehow THEY made Buddy punch a dude is weird. Buddy punched someone and it was on national TV. For them to ignore it would be just as unfair in the other direction

 

[orangepassion]

Apologize for what? JB didn’t punch anyone lol

It's appropo to have the season practically end with a JB PC ridiculing Anselem after having a great game and defending Buddy ("can't let yourself get pushed around") after he threw a punch.

 

[MikeSU02]

And yet, after 40 pages, you're still here leaving a comment. Okay.

Okay is right!

 

[Sherman20]

40 pages on this. Amazing.

The worst part is that we are the joke, and not in on the joke, as a program.

Buddy punched a kid. He got a one game suspension. End of story, but here we are rationalizing, equivocating, etc, when it doesn't really matter. This all amounts to trying to stomp out a cigarette in the middle of a forest fire.

We are 16-16 and about to get trucked for the third time by Duke. We don't have an ESPN 100 kid for next year.

But here we are, grasping at ANYTHING that may somehow take away the injustice that is Buddy's maybe-kinda-sorta-open-hand-twisting-dance-routine leading to a one game suspension against a team that has basically toyed with us.

This thread is sad more than anything. It's not even the ridiculousness of people claiming it's not a punch or he shouldn't have been suspended, it's that we care so much about something that just won't matter, instead of focusing on caring why even our coach says we can't hang with Duke.

Buddy is a good kid and he had a bad moment. In other news, we're about to finish 16-17 for the year.

We have plenty of time after the season to discuss all these depressing facts. I think a large majority of posters on here are now in the change needs to happen camp. But we know it’s unlikely to happen after this season because JW and the board of trustees largely backs Boeheim. He has so much power and equity up on the Hill. Therefore I fear that most of the off-season will just be shouting into the void. I just hope the staff is very active in the transfer market and we can land one or two key players to give us some hope for next year.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Maybe you have a point.

my larger point is maybe not everyone is out to get your favorite team all the time. The idea that they evil acc is rubbing their hands together in delight because somehow THEY made Buddy punch a dude is weird. Buddy punched someone and it was on national TV. For them to ignore it would be just as unfair in the other direction

Again no issues with Buddy being suspended, but there’s already evidence they look the other way in certain instances and have had unfair rulings the other way in the past.

There’s fans on this board that called this years ago.

 

[Nicknack]

Okay is right!

Yep, amazing and okay.

 

[Day2]

I can't even understand that some people here are trying to debate whether or not it was a punch.

Right? He intentionally took a swing at the guy. He doesn’t get a pass for poor form.

 

[MikeSU02]

We have plenty of time after the season to discuss all these depressing facts. I think a large majority of posters on here are now in the change needs to happen camp. But we know it’s unlikely to happen after this season because JW and the board of trustees largely backs Boeheim. He has so much power and equity up on the Hill. Therefore most of the off-season will just be shouting into the void. I just hope the staff is very active in the transfer market and we can land one or two key players to give us some hope for next year.

Listen, I assume JB and crew are coming back. I'm not going to hem and haw about that. Is what it is. I'll still have the games turned on.

My point is that we've fallen so far that this even is what drives a 40+ thread and it's conference tourney time.

And, it just doesn't matter. Buddy hit a kid. Got a punishment. The timing is awful, but it is what it is. And we're facing a Duke team that will likely smoke us for a third time.

Here is my takeaway, let's see what it looks like with Joe off ball. Let's see what it looks like when Joe and Cole have more pressure on them. Let's see what Sy can do against real ball pressure.

And for Sid and Jimmy, play hard, have some moments, hope you go out with pride.

Let's see what may give us hope for next year and send the guys leaving out with a little bit of pride.

 

[br801]

I mean, of course I largely agree. But we’re fans. You know, fanatics, which implies some level of irrationality. What Buddy did was wrong, no doubt, and he should have gotten a flagrant foul during the game. But back in the day, Syracuse fans would have rallied around Buddy, who’s a great kid and the polar opposite of his cranky dad, and said it was unfair for this suspension to happen in what could possibly be his last game—or at least pointed out that the refs screwed up for not tossing him out of the game when the altercation happened. Punishing him after the fact isn’t in the rule book, which is what Bilas has argued. This has been such a depressing season, I’d just like to see the fanbase rally around our player now and not be so rational about him deserving his punishment. (We see UConn fans defending psycho Hurley’s behavior all the time.) The rule, btw, is that the refs have to issue the flagrant foul during the game. The ACC shouldn’t have gotten involved after the fact, but they bowed to all the coverage it received. Anyhow, how amazing would it be to see us beat Duke, then Buddy returns and we win the ACC title? Sure it’s unlikely, but that would be the most Syracuse move ever and the sports media would lose its collective minds.

I don't see people here not rallying around Buddy, but I do see many people reacting to what they saw with their own eyes and choosing to accept the consequences without twisting themselves into pretzels trying to whitewash the incident.

 

[MikeSU02]

One last thing:

Buddy does not need this Duke game to define him. His career is set.

Suspension or not, it stinks he can't leave it on the court, yes.

But the kid scored over 1700 points, gave us a fire-breathing dragon of a run last year and made first team all acc this year.

I'm not remembering this. I'm remembering that run where he was shooting it like he was a motherf'n basketball god and no one could stop him.

 

[pearl31]

for me, bottom line:

days of yore no way that would be a suspension.
but now, as of a few years ago, every little thing reviewed and zero tolerance for any extra "non-basketball" stuff (now, consistent enforcement/application of that is another story for another thread), you knew if you were being honest from the moment it happened it was going to be a suspension.
that's it

 

[tbonezone]

didn't get to see it live. only caught the replay. it looked intentional imo but wasn't called. officials reviewed something afterwards but what they looked at is a mystery. wasn't imo a major blow but the dude did react immediately painfully. so i guess it hurt. buddy expressed his contrition immediately after the game which should count for something. i was thinking 1st half suspension last night. a full game to me seems excessive . i know buddy's not a dirty player. i feel like this hurt him more inside than the punch to the ribs hurt wilkes. but sometimes we do have to pay for our missteps intentional or not.

 

[xc84]

What? Using your elbows after securing a rebound isn’t a basketball move?

swinging elbows is an infraction. If you want to call an infraction a "basketball move" then that's ok. That is not a comment on whether people do it or whether the infraction is called.

face guarding is "a basketball move"
hand checking is "a basketball move"
flopping is a "basketball move"

all illegal (subject to ref's opinion)

 

[Day2]

One last thing:

Buddy does not need this Duke game to define him. His career is set.

Suspension or not, it stinks he can't leave it on the court, yes.

But the kid scored over 1700 points, gave us a fire-breathing dragon of a run last year and made first team all acc this year.

I'm not remembering this. I'm remembering that run where he was shooting it like he was a motherf'n basketball god and no one could stop him.

It’s a Shakespearean/Faustian ending for the Boeheim family. Doesn’t negate the journey.

 

[zjscuse]

The fix is in, can’t ruin coach k’s farewell party.

 

[tbonezone]

The fix is in, can’t ruin coach k’s farewell party.

we ain't done yet. roll it out and release the hounds.

 

[zjscuse]

we ain't done yet. roll it out and release the hounds.

Would be the greatest upset of all time laygooooo