Buffalo Bills 2017 Why do I put myself through this season thread

[Alsacs]

Going to be a tough week.

Have to figure 75 penalty yards on Bills' D getting after Gronk, the Patriots will have made it clear he's not to be touched, as they've done w/ their QB all these years.

Gronk will engage, push, shove and then stomp and whine like a crybaby when he's pushed back and there will be flags galore.

NFL will protect its stars in New England.

Why was this flag picked up on Pittsburgh’s first TD?
Gronk deserves the cheap shot he gets as long as it isn’t at his knees this week.
Hit him high and he deserves a cheap shot.

 

[Orangeman]

Why was this flag picked up on Pittsburgh’s first TD?
Gronk deserves the cheap shot he gets as long as it isn’t at his knees this week.
Hit him high and he deserves a cheap shot.

I am pretty sure the limit is 3 yards downfield for a lineman engaged in blocking a defender on that play. I know college was messing with the rule don’t know if the NFL changed it

But my answer would be that he’s engaged on blocking and within 3 yards of the line

I could be wrong

 

[Alsacs]

I am pretty sure the limit is 3 yards downfield for a lineman engaged in blocking a defender on that play. I know college was messing with the rule don’t know if the NFL changed it

But my answer would be that he’s engaged on blocking and within 3 yards of the line

I could be wrong

It’s one yard.
NFL Rules Digest: Forward Pass
It was a penalty. The Ref threw a flag and then they picked it up.
That play was a Pitt TD

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Why was this flag picked up on Pittsburgh’s first TD?
Gronk deserves the cheap shot he gets as long as it isn’t at his knees this week.
Hit him high and he deserves a cheap shot.

I think Gronk will no doubt get an equalizer this week, how dirty it is remains to be seen. It's just the way it is. NE would be crazy to send him over the middle even once this week. It won't be Tre White that will do it, but he has quickly become a team and fan favorite, it will be one of the linebackers that simply does not give a .. What Gronk did is the baseball equivalent of throwing at somebody's head

 

[Melancer46]

This is all confusing, but according to this breakdown, there is no scenario where Tennessee beating the Rams is a positive for the Bills:

2017 Buffalo Bills Path to Playoffs Cheat Sheet

Nah, you're reading it the opposite way. All of those scenarios are saying that if the Titans go 1-1 down the stretch, Buffalo needs the 1 win to be against the Rams.

If they beat the Jaguars, that improves their record against the AFC, which helps the Titans tiebreaker. The Titans losing to the Rams mathmatically decreases Buffalo's odds of making the playoffs, while the Titans beating the Rams actually improves the odds (due to the increase in the likelihood of a 3 way tie, in which Buffalo generally benefits).

You can play around with all of this at 538's site. 2017 NFL Predictions

If the Titans beat the Rams and lose to the Jaguars, one win for Buffalo clinches a playoff spot. If the Titans lose both games and the Bills win one, Buffalo only has a 76% chance at the playoffs. And if the Titans lose to the Rams but beat the Jaguars, a 1 win Buffalo team only has a 31% chance of making the playoffs.

 

[Alsacs]

Basically if the Titans beat the Rams the Bills need to either win out or hope the Chargers lose a game and the Jaguars best the Titans.
If the Rams win then all the Bills need would be the Jags beating the Titans.

 

[shandeezy7]

Nah, you're reading it the opposite way. All of those scenarios are saying that if the Titans go 1-1 down the stretch, Buffalo needs the 1 win to be against the Rams.

If they beat the Jaguars, that improves their record against the AFC, which helps the Titans tiebreaker. The Titans losing to the Rams mathmatically decreases Buffalo's odds of making the playoffs, while the Titans beating the Rams actually improves the odds (due to the increase in the likelihood of a 3 way tie, in which Buffalo generally benefits).

You can play around with all of this at 538's site. 2017 NFL Predictions

If the Titans beat the Rams and lose to the Jaguars, one win for Buffalo clinches a playoff spot. If the Titans lose both games and the Bills win one, Buffalo only has a 76% chance at the playoffs. And if the Titans lose to the Rams but beat the Jaguars, a 1 win Buffalo team only has a 31% chance of making the playoffs.

I don't know which is right, but I know that I'm reading that scenario that I posted correctly. Perhaps they have it wrong. When it says the Bills get in except if the Titans lose to the Rams rather than Jacksonville, then that is telling me the Titans going 1-1 vs. the Rams and Jags with the win being over the Jags is better for us. That doesn't make sense to me, but that is what they posted.

 

[longislandcuse]

From what I read on this, if the Bills win out, they have a 96% chance of making the Playoffs with one scenario leaving them out which involved Jax losing out, Tenn winning out and the Chargers doing something (I forgot what).

If we lose to NE, let the chips fall where they may. Sounds like we can't be eliminated Sunday with a loss, so if that happens, there should be some realistic scenarios that get us in with a win over Miami left on the table.

With that said, I have no idea who to root for on Sunday and these permutations are giving me a headache.

 

[HSPORANGE]

From what I read on this, if the Bills win out, they have a 96% chance of making the Playoffs with one scenario leaving them out which involved Jax losing out, Tenn winning out and the Chargers doing something (I forgot what).

If we lose to NE, let the chips fall where they may. Sounds like we can't be eliminated Sunday with a loss, so if that happens, there should be some realistic scenarios that get us in with a win over Miami left on the table.

With that said, I have no idea who to root for on Sunday and these permutations are giving me a headache.

Root for the Bills to win out

 

[longislandcuse]

Root for the Bills to win out

 

[IthacaBarrel]

From what I read on this, if the Bills win out, they have a 96% chance of making the Playoffs with one scenario leaving them out which involved Jax losing out, Tenn winning out and the Chargers doing something (I forgot what).

If we lose to NE, let the chips fall where they may. Sounds like we can't be eliminated Sunday with a loss, so if that happens, there should be some realistic scenarios that get us in with a win over Miami left on the table.

With that said, I have no idea who to root for on Sunday and these permutations are giving me a headache.

That's what I have resigned too, wait to see what happens this week and then let the smoke settle but it sounds like Bills will need Jags to beat Titans for sure, whether they need SD to lose as well depends on what the Titans do versus the Rams. That said, is the Jags/ Titans game basically going to be a meaningless game for the Jags? They will be a solid 3rd seed at that point? yes/ No? That is if Jags beat niners or Tenn loses to Rams

 

[Melancer46]

I don't know which is right, but I know that I'm reading that scenario that I posted correctly. Perhaps they have it wrong. When it says the Bills get in except if the Titans lose to the Rams rather than Jacksonville, then that is telling me the Titans going 1-1 vs. the Rams and Jags with the win being over the Jags is better for us. That doesn't make sense to me, but that is what they posted.

No, the scenario says the Bills get in "EXCEPT IF THE TITANS LOSE TO THE RAMS". It's pretty clearly saying that if they lose to the Rams and beat the Jaguars, that is a bad thing.

 

[Melancer46]

From what I read on this, if the Bills win out, they have a 96% chance of making the Playoffs with one scenario leaving them out which involved Jax losing out, Tenn winning out and the Chargers doing something (I forgot what).

If we lose to NE, let the chips fall where they may. Sounds like we can't be eliminated Sunday with a loss, so if that happens, there should be some realistic scenarios that get us in with a win over Miami left on the table.

With that said, I have no idea who to root for on Sunday and these permutations are giving me a headache.

The scenario is that everyone wins out except for the Jaguars who lose out.

 

[longislandcuse]

The scenario is that everyone wins out except for the Jaguars who lose out.

So root for Jax on Sunday above all else? (aside from Buffalo of course)

Or is there a scenario where if Jax wins but loses their season finale that we miss the Playoffs and forfeit all of our draft picks?

 

[Melancer46]

So root for Jax on Sunday above all else? (aside from Buffalo of course)

This Sunday, we want:
1. Titans win
2. Bills win
3. Jaguars win

Baltimore and the Chargers will almost certainly win their games, but them blowing it would be nice.

But the easiest scenario for Buffalo is for Tennessee to beat the Rams and then lose to the Jaguars. Then all Buffalo needs to do is win one of these last two games to get in.

 

[Alsacs]

So root for Jax on Sunday above all else? (aside from Buffalo of course)

Or is there a scenario where if Jax wins but loses their season finale that we miss the Playoffs and forfeit all of our draft picks?

Jax winning forces Pitt and NE to have to win out and gets them more motivated to beat Tennessee for a shot at a bye.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Couple things,

1: love how u guys use the season thread...as the game thread.

Very Bills Mafia-esque.

2. The fact that marrone is involved in how u can make the playoffs is awesome.

3. You’re not beating the patsies so what are the combos with a loss??

4. Go Bills

 

[shandeezy7]

No, the scenario says the Bills get in "EXCEPT IF THE TITANS LOSE TO THE RAMS". It's pretty clearly saying that if they lose to the Rams and beat the Jaguars, that is a bad thing.

I stand corrected. Would the best thing for us this weekend (besides beating NE) be for the Chargers or Ravens to lose?

 

[Toga]

Not this year, but with various tiebreaker scenarios (inc. 2 way & 3 way ties) could there ever be a scenario where it makes sense to lose your last game of the season? I can't imagine one but then I couldn't imagine that it wasn't a catch and a TD for the Steelers.

 

[BuffOrange]

yeah they have only had 8 or 9 wins 5 times in the last 17 years, I wouldn't say that's a real common occurrence. 9 wins only twice in 17 years and the year Marrone did it, New England didn't play their starters the last game of the year, FWIW. There is no denying that McDermott has been left with a tough job to try and rebuild a roster, fight salary cap issues that Whaley made a mess of and build a team with guys that he feels fit the mold he is looking for and by the way try and snap a 17 year old playoff drought. Team was left for dead after the Chargers game by most. Sure he has a ton of work to do and most likely needs a new QB and OC in the off season along with finding some more D Line and linebackers. He also has to get better as a HC and I think he would be first to admit it, he's a rookie HC in the NFL, not an easy task.

I am with LongIsland on this one. The record exceeding the talent level is nice for a coach, but 14 games is way too small of a sample for that to really mean much. Like I said last week the difference between getting a couple calls and getting jobbed out of two games as the Bills normally do - is the difference between 8-6 and 4-10. He has also played a big hand in the talent exodus. Nobody is calling for his head but when his story with the Bills is written, nothing that's happened so far will really matter.

 

[BuffOrange]

I get more pessimistic every time I look at these playoff scenarios. People are chalking up the Jax@Ten game but is Jax really going to pretend like NE/Pit might lose in Week 17 and go balls to the wall? We are more likely than Tenn to lose in week 17 imo.

 

[Melancer46]

I stand corrected. Would the best thing for us this weekend (besides beating NE) be for the Chargers or Ravens to lose?

Ravens losing would help more; the Chargers pretty much lose out in any of the potential 3 way tie scenarios I believe, so even if they win both of their games, they're still a long shot to get in. If Baltimore loses this week, 1 win for the Bills nearly clinches a playoff spot.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I am with LongIsland on this one. The record exceeding the talent level is nice for a coach, but 14 games is way too small of a sample for that to really mean much. Like I said last week the difference between getting a couple calls and getting jobbed out of two games as the Bills normally do - is the difference between 8-6 and 4-10. He has also played a big hand in the talent exodus. Nobody is calling for his head but when his story with the Bills is written, nothing that's happened so far will really matter.

What? I said the guy has done a pretty good job as a rookie HC, "getting jobbed on a few calls" is the difference between 4 and 8 wins? Nobody is calling for his head? I hope not. He's managed to makes strides cleaning up the roster, gain draft picks,start building a team with his guys and yeah give what has been the arguably the worst franchise in the league for 15 years a shot at the playoffs in his rookie season. I remember when Bills fans use to say the same thing about Doug Marrone, yeah he stinks too. You make it sound as if, people could make a case for not bringing him back for a 2nd and 3rd season. He isn't responsible for anything that has happened to the Bills before the day he was hired, I get the luggage Bills fans carry but geeze, give the guy some time to grow into the position, not like he went 3-13 out of the gate.

If the bills make the playoffs, that will matter and a rookie HC will the be the one who got them there with a cleaned out roster ( cleaned up for a number of reasons) and subpar QB play at best. I think he has the team behind him as well which is huge

Tough crowd

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I get more pessimistic every time I look at these playoff scenarios. People are chalking up the Jax@Ten game but is Jax really going to pretend like NE/Pit might lose in Week 17 and go balls to the wall? We are more likely than Tenn to lose in week 17 imo.

I'm shocked

 

[KaiserUEO]

I'm shocked

IMO:

Jax 2-0
Balt 2-0
SD 2-0
Bills 1-1
Ten 0-2

Where does that land the Bills?