Class of 2020 C Eddie Lampkin (TX) TRANSFERRING TO SYRACUSE (4/2/24)

[ZeroSugar]

What I’m confused by is the main Cuse anccount put out that he officially signed with us a few weeks ago. The portal closed on 5/1 - has anyone checked did he re-enter the portal and/or never sign anything?

Or he did all that but the NCAA has become whose line is it anyway where the rules are made up and the points don’t matter?

It's been covered here but when you transfer, there's nothing keeping you from changing your mind until you enroll and attend classes. Meaning that he doesn't technically need to re enter the portal.

 

[two3zone]

This is 100% not sustainable.

Not saying it is.

 

[PeteCalvin]

My personal percentage meter is < 10%. One bc it's just crazy town out there and someone will blow it out now that he's apparently inviting an auction. And two bc he charged that post to remove the ACC reference and just showing him working on his game generally. That's a bit of a screw you to cuse and hard to ignore the tea leaves of that.

It’s him saying “Dude, don’t ruin this with your tweet. People are bidding, so I don’t want to be affiliated with anyone right now. People don’t throw $$ at a committed player as much as a free agent!”

He’s playing the market, which is good for him financially, but shows that his “loyalty” is for sale. Can’t fault him for doing this, especially after Washington just blew up the system with their insane offer to that foreign dude. If I’m Kadary, I’m getting Pitino and Vitamin Water Man back on the phone. They did him wrong.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Mounir, Carey, Patterson, McLoed, are all recent examples of players who were clearly not up task and yet the staff deemed them a fit. The track record doesn’t exactly scream “we can effectively evaluate the 5”

Sure we can. You just are miscasting what they were recruited for. None were supposed to be a star, or even a starter (McLeod excepted). None of them were intended to be a star. 3 of the guys were injured for most of their time here. Patterson had good reviews by Grif. Mounir was serviceable as a Jesse back up. That was to be his role. If you can’t see the potential in Carey, I don’t know what to say.
McLeod blocked, altered and generally discouraged inside shots. We were a different team when he was able to play, even with the bad foot.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Even if here illegally you have to pay tax.

Even on the free money NY gives as incentive for breaking the law? Asking for Irish relatives.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

A Reset?
Well, is there any real news? Anybody know where it actually stands or if there’s a date set for an announcement.

Yes: Agiant the odds, Eddie stuck with door #1. He won an Iguana, and now has to figure out if he has to pay taxes on it in NY or his home state.

 

[jsshap]

It’s him saying “Dude, don’t ruin this with your tweet. People are bidding, so I don’t want to be affiliated with anyone right now. People don’t throw $$ at a committed player as much as a free agent!”

He’s playing the market, which is good for him financially, but shows that his “loyalty” is for sale. Can’t fault him for doing this, especially after Washington just blew up the system with their insane offer to that foreign dude. If I’m Kadary, I’m getting Pitino and Vitamin Water Man back on the phone. They did him wrong.

Completely agree that no one can fairly be faulted for maximizing earning potential. Most of us would too. This "kids are not loyal anymore" talk is so stupid and short sighted honestly. I guess it's fans ways of having an outlet for their frustration but no one can really believe that another generation of athletes would handle this differently.

That said there may be some fault with Eddie given the public cheerleading, chatting up other potential recruits (Davis and Carlos) and apparent lack of concern for the impact his late withdrawal will have on the team, the coaches he's presumably developed a relationship with and respect for, and his soon to be/almost teammates (especially any he helped convince to come or to stay, if any). I say "may" bc I don't know. Indications are that he's a good dude so I'd think those things would be a factor, as well as push him to decide once and for all if he's in or out. Again hard for me to imagine he's in, but hopefully if nothing else he provides the respect to others of a quick decision.

 

[Niastri]

I think Lampkin is a solid player and would be a great fit for us - but Colorado going from 17 to 24 wins had more to do with Williams, De Silva, and KJ Simpson - who are all going to be drafted. Not to say he wont be a loss, but this guy isn't exactly Arinze Onuaku.

This guy is almost exactly Arinze Onuaku.

Big, strong, not athletic for a division 1 basketball player, plays in the post exclusively on offense, position defense with little shotblocking, decent/good passer out of doubles, only ready to play 25 mpg.

In Onuaku's best years, he didn't quite score what Lampkin did last year, Onuaku pulled about the same rebounds, passed for far fewer assists (2.2 to .7) and committed more fouls. And I'm picking Onuaku's best stats in each category, compared to what Lampkin did last year.

Onuaku did get more blocks and steals, and shot a better percentage. But Lampkin at TCU had much better block and steal numbers. I think Colorado wanted Lampkin to avoid fouls to stay in the center of the offense. They scored 79 ppg with him.

We remember Onuaku as better than he was because his injury was so crushing... He was in the middle of the best stretch of his career on the best team of his career, and we were heading for a championship. We'll never forget that...

But Lampkin is just as good, if not better, of a player, and will be healthy and in his fifth year. Apparently he really had trouble with the altitude, and his weight got out of hand by the end of the season, and he still was critical in Colorado getting to the Sweet 16

 

[OHIORANGES]

stop

Stop

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If there are any more OT posts in this thread, no more warnings. They are gone. I don't care how intelligent/pithy/funny they are. And you will find yourself being unable to post in this thread.

Why do you make me do this? You all know the rules on the recruiting board.

-Bad Dad

Thank you sir! Too many 20-30 something posters with Attention Deficit

 

[Niastri]

I think Lampkin is a solid player and would be a great fit for us - but Colorado going from 17 to 24 wins had more to do with Williams, De Silva, and KJ Simpson - who are all going to be drafted. Not to say he wont be a loss, but this guy isn't exactly Arinze Onuaku.

Simpson and de Silva were on the lousy 17 win team the year before. De Silva was the same guy each season. Williams was a good freshman.

Let me ask, why did Simpson go from a 27% 3 point shooter to a 43% shooter? Maybe he got a lot of better shots with Lampkin?

The Colorado team had only one guy listed as a center the year before, and he left before Lampkin took over the position.

 

[OrangeTarheel]

This post is like the exact opposite of any post currently in the football recruiting forum. Poor Red.

 

[SWC75]

I have sent the Monte Hall Problem into the transfer portal and it landed on the "Other Sports" board if anyone wants to continue that discussion.

I think anyone who transfers from SU or backs out of their commitment should be required to solve the problem before they can do so!

 

[Madbiker]

It's hard to believe that that much money is exchanged without a written contract. If not somebody is going to have consequences. Even if there's a legal out, Lampkin has now shown he has no integrity so we don't need guys like that. Usually those types are "me" players and you don't win with them. There are other options to be had. Is that foreign dude transferring out of Kentucky who would average like 10 blocks per 40 minutes still available? Steer clear of Lampkin.

 

[dasher]

Okay, and this isn't any more of an update but right now the word is that Eddie is sticking with us. He told a teammate and the coaches have told people that. I just want him up for summer session 1 to get him the heck away from Texas.

 

[Sbucketball]

Okay, and this isn't any more of an update but right now the word is that Eddie is sticking with us. He told a teammate and the coaches have told people that. I just want him up for summer session 1 to get him the heck away from Texas.

I would classify that as an update! Thank you.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Okay, and this isn't any more of an update but right now the word is that Eddie is sticking with us. He told a teammate and the coaches have told people that. I just want him up for summer session 1 to get him the heck away from Texas.

1st Summer Semester starts May 20.

2nd Summer Semester starts July 1.

 

[Sbucketball]

I hope our boosters are smart enough to structure installments and not give him all the money at the beginning of the season. Monthly payments, or at least split it in half -- half in the Fall and half next Spring. I have to assume this happens, but who knows.

 

[Sherman20]

This guy is almost exactly Arinze Onuaku.

Big, strong, not athletic for a division 1 basketball player, plays in the post exclusively on offense, position defense with little shotblocking, decent/good passer out of doubles, only ready to play 25 mpg.

In Onuaku's best years, he didn't quite score what Lampkin did last year, Onuaku pulled about the same rebounds, passed for far fewer assists (2.2 to .7) and committed more fouls. And I'm picking Onuaku's best stats in each category, compared to what Lampkin did last year.

Onuaku did get more blocks and steals, and shot a better percentage. But Lampkin at TCU had much better block and steal numbers. I think Colorado wanted Lampkin to avoid fouls to stay in the center of the offense. They scored 79 ppg with him.

We remember Onuaku as better than he was because his injury was so crushing... He was in the middle of the best stretch of his career on the best team of his career, and we were heading for a championship. We'll never forget that...

But Lampkin is just as good, if not better, of a player, and will be healthy and in his fifth year. Apparently he really had trouble with the altitude, and his weight got out of hand by the end of the season, and he still was critical in Colorado getting to the Sweet 16

I gotta disagree with you on Onuaku. Agree with the rest. Onuaku was on much better teams in 2009 and 2010. In 2010, Wes Johnson was an All American, Rautins was one of the best shooters, passers and zone defenders in the country, Kris Jo and Scoop were sixth men of the year, Rick was a beast. We didn’t need to run as much offense through the post so AO didn’t need to score as much, but he could have scored more. AO and Rick both had incredible footwork and post moves. I don’t think Eddie is as good yet in that regard (could be wrong but based on videos I’ve seen). But I think we absolutely need him on this team if we want to be good. Pay the man and let’s move on.

 

[cusefan88]

Losing Jesse crushed the team last year. Not going to make the same mistake again. Hopefully the bags are right and we see Lampkin in CNY soon.

 

[SWC75]

There's been a good discussion on Orange Nation about the Lampkin situation and the issues it brings up. Paulie speculated on what rules could be applied to bring the NIL and portal situation. One caller, ("Scooter"), pointed out that pro leagues have anti-trust status and the NCAA doesn't so the NCAA's ability to make rules and make them stick in court is limited.

I said that that leaves us at the mercy of the much-lauded "invisible hand of the market" which is supposed to produce the proper result each time. You have to be able to seek your own level to make that work. I again suggested that, if we can't compete at the highest level in the market for players, we need to find a level we can compete at. Paulie and Steve understood my point but they still feel SU has to be at the highest level of college college football, whatever that is, even if it's a new level that never existed before.

So we'd better have plenty of cash.

 

[SWC75]

I gotta disagree with you on Onuaku. Agree with the rest. Onuaku was on much better teams in 2009 and 2010. In 2010, Wes Johnson was an All American, Rautins was one of the best shooters, passers and zone defenders in the country, Kris Jo and Scoop were sixth men of the year, Rick was a beast. We didn’t need to run as much offense through the post so AO didn’t need to score as much. AO and Rick both had incredible footwork and post moves. I don’t think Eddie is as good yet in that regard (could be wrong but based on videos I’ve seen). But I think we absolutely need him on this team if we want to be good. Pay the man and let’s move on.

Arinze became a master at keeping players trying to drive to the basket in front of him and using his big body to stop attempts to pass or shoot over him. Maybe they can teach Lampkin to do the same thing.

 

[Day2]

Arinze became a master at keeping players trying to drive to the basket in front of him and using his big body to stop attempts to pass or shoot over him. Maybe they can teach Lampkin to do the same thing.

I have to think that’s always been the plan. Generally speaking, Red must believe he can teach all of these offensive-minded players how to defend. (Say what you want about Bell, there’s been incremental improvement in that area.)

 

[Red2003]

There's been a good discussion on Orange Nation about the Lampkin situation and the issues it brings up. Paulie speculated on what rules could be applied to bring the NIL and portal situation. One caller, ("Scooter"), pointed out that pro leagues have anti-trust status and the NCAA doesn't so the NCAA's ability to make rules and make them stick in court is limited.

I said that that leaves us at the mercy of the much-lauded "invisible hand of the market" which is supposed to produce the proper result each time. You have to be able to seek your own level to make that work. I again suggested that, if we can't compete at the highest level in the market for players, we need to find a level we can compete at. Paulie and Steve understood my point but they still feel SU has to be at the highest level of college college football, whatever that is, even if it's a new level that never existed before.

So we'd better have plenty of cash.

Yea I'm of the opinion that just in the short term this is going to be par for the course with our best player in the front court and the best back court guy having alot of leverage. That means it's going to cost us more than we want or expect or think we should for 2 players. It's just gotta be ready. Not 7-8 players.

We aren't turning into Duke or Kansas where we just buy a player ie Mr Maliq Brown for double the price to not even have a roster spot.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Completely agree that no one can fairly be faulted for maximizing earning potential. Most of us would too. This "kids are not loyal anymore" talk is so stupid and short sighted honestly.

I could agree with this if kids didn't shop their offers. Don't commit before you have checked out your market value. But once you commit, that's some serious BS that you just use your offer in hand to try to get more.

 

[JarHeadJim]

Okay, and this isn't any more of an update but right now the word is that Eddie is sticking with us. He told a teammate and the coaches have told people that. I just want him up for summer session 1 to get him the heck away from Texas.