Class of 2022 C William Kyle (NE) TRANSFERRING TO SYRACUSE (3/27/25)

[Cusefan0307]

At a 1-AA program. How would South Dakota State fare with an ACC schedule?

I get the unease, but he’s had productive games against p5 opponents. I’d be much more disappointed if we don’t get an legit wing who
can shoot and a PG.

 

[orangejunkie]

I really hope he will be the backup C/ for Ballard and Freeman, his FT% 39.5 17-43 ouch !!!

Is Ballard still in play? That would be quite a physical pair. Others seem to think the backup will be one of our current forwards.

 

[kcsu]

Yes, at GEORGIA. The 2023 National Champion. How’s that compare to South Dakota State basketball?

It doesnt. Meeks actually had a bigger hill to climb than Williams. Meeks didn't see any time at his primary position. He was a special team player. Yes, he played for a great team, but he didn't see the field at WR.
On the other hand, Williams played and was a star for the Jack Rabbits. He also received all conference honors. South Dakota State just happens to have made the NCAA tournament 7 times since 2004 with the last trip being in 2024.
So, I commend you on your point other than the fact you had it backwards. Two suggestions.
Watch film and look things up on google.

 

[grepal]

No doubt, we are In agreement that we need another big. In Petar, I saw a guy that worked hard but was extremely overmatched by the opponents frontcourt. He was weak around the basket,opting to flip the ball up rather than attack the rim. He rarely got above the rim while this guys whole game seems to be above the rim. I guess that’s what I meant about the world of difference.

Petar should be stronger with year of s & c. Most Freshman need a year or two.

 

[orangejunkie]

Ok good stuff. Things are moving behind the scenes. We can overall access once the team is built. An athletic first piece. Let's see what else happens before people start to howl at the moon.

I think there is a real plan to construct this team with an eye on having uber type athletes that will translate to a more physical and defensive minded team. I wonder if that is Kline's impact on the program. Just need to sprinkle in a proven shooter or two in the portal and we're all set for next year.

 

[whobut03]

Petar should be stronger with year of s & c. Most Freshman need a year or two.

With our S&C program? Not sure...

 

[IraSez]

That's one! Still need at least one more center.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[sutomcat]

Kyle was first team all conference in the Summit League and the defensive player of the year in that conference as a sophomore at South Dakota State. He was very successful there.

it looks like UCLA brought in three 6’9 guys from the,portal during last off-season. Bilodeau and Dailey Jr won the starting jobs. They played well. Led the team in scoring. Both were also good 3 point shooters.

I really have never seen this guy play based on the highlights, He is clearly a terrific athlete, and will give us quickness, shot blocking and athleticism from a big man we have not seen in a while.

His advanced stat numbers are okay; nothing special. Not sure how much they mean for a guy who played so little. For the record, I checked his advanced stat numbers for South Dakota State, and they weren’t particularly good either.

That said, if we also bringing Quincy Ballard, I would be thrilled with the center position.

Lampkin did a good job for us last season. He was one of the only reasons the team was watchable. But he was a horrible fit for what Red has said he wants to do. He said he wants to play fast and then he brought in a guy who could never be capable of playing in that kind of a system.

From what I have seen, Kyle would be nest suited for team that wants to play fast. He’s gonna be most effective offensively finishing up fast brakes. He’s going to be most effective defensively protecting the rI’m while we press. So I find it encouraging that we are at least bringing in players now that are a fit for the system we plan to play.

 

[AZOrange]

Comparing a basketball transfer to a football transfer as an analogy is usually a good way to go. Solid

 

[Dcuse]

For comparison, St. Bonaventure brought in a kid who averaged more points, rebounds and minutes played in the same league to start at center for them. If he’s starting at C for SU, this program is more broken than I thought.

There we go. This board never disappoints

 

[Cusefan0307]

Kyle was first team all conference in the Summit League and the defensive player of the year in that conference as a sophomore at South Dakota State. He was very successful there.

it looks like UCLA brought in three 6’9 guys from the,portal during last off-season. Bilodeau and Dailey Jr won the starting jobs. They played well. Led the team in scoring. Both were also good 3 point shooters.

I really have never seen this guy play based on the highlights, He is clearly a terrific athlete, and will give us quickness, shot blocking and athleticism from a big man we have not seen in a while.

His advanced stat numbers are okay; nothing special. Not sure how much they mean for a guy who played so little. For the record, I checked his advanced stat numbers for South Dakota State, and they weren’t particularly good either.

That said, if we also bringing Quincy Ballard, I would be thrilled with the center position.

Lampkin did a good job for us last season. He was one of the only reasons the team was watchable. But he was a horrible fit for what Red has said he wants to do. He said he wants to play fast and then he brought in a guy who could never be capable of playing in that kind of a system.

From what I have seen, Kyle would be nest suited for team that wants to play fast. He’s gonna be most effective offensively finishing up fast brakes. He’s going to be most effective defensively protecting the rI’m while we press. So I find it encouraging that we are at least bringing in players now that are a fit for the system we plan to play.

Had a PER of 25 his last year at SDSU and 16.6 last year. His offensive to defensive rating difference last year was plus 25 and plus 17. His DBPR was almost 4 last year. His advanced metrics look pretty good.

I think what is likely to happen is we will underrate him at center and overrate whoever comes in at PG especially if it is someone like Claude.

 

[MSOrange]

There we go. This board never disappoints

I appreciate you like to be optimistic and positive. Every year for 17 years, I thought the Bills would break the playoff drought. That's what fans do. But you constantly talking down to people who have reservations about moves when we're 4 years into an NCAA drought is a bit comical. You're not exactly batting 1000 the last few years yourself.

 

[newmexicuse]

He is exactly what we lacked last season - a strong athletic big with hops.

If he turns out to be good enough, it also gives us an option to move Donnie to SF assuming we get Ballard or a different starting caliber center and then we can have Kyle and White share the PF position and Kyle can also get his backup C minutes.

The only thing I do not like about this commitment is only one year of eligibility remaining. I wish we would find guys with two or more years to try and create some long term program continuity.

 

[BronsonCuse]

We do need to fill out the roster here... we need 8-9 real players. A reminder that we have just JJ, Donnie and 4 freshman on the team. Not sure why we are finding a problem with this kid. I'm excited for the athleticism and we'll see who else they get.

 

[SUFaninNJ]

But fran can recognize talent red and his crew... cant

Donnie is pretty talented. I'm hearing that Sadiq and Kiyan have some skills as well. I trust your talent evaluation though. Recognizing talent and being able to coach up talent, might be more of the issue, in my opinion.

 

[bnoro]

If he's the 8th/9th guy in the rotation, I'm on board with taking a shot here. If he's being brought in as our starting center (or we miss our other targets and are forced to play him as a starter) we're in deep doo doo.

 

[Niastri]

FWIW, if you check his stats before injury this year, they look much better than overall. 5 pts, 5 boards and a block in 12 mins of gametime. If he averaged that over a full game I think we would be very happy with him.

In Big 10 play, Kyle had per 40 averages of 9.1 points, 4.8 boards, and 3.0 blocks.

I think he’ll be an excellent rotation player, with huge potential upside.

 

[bnoro]

In Big 10 play, Kyle had per 40 averages of 9.1 points, 4.8 boards, and 3.0 blocks.

I think he’ll be an excellent rotation player, with huge potential upside.

Per 40s really mean nothing, they just exist to frame stats better. If he actually played 30 mins a game last year he could have been better, or he could have been worse.

I'm more concerned he couldn't get minutes on a weak UCLA team and now he's coming here to get more minutes?

 

[Niastri]

If he's the 8th/9th guy in the rotation, I'm on board with taking a shot here. If he's being brought in as our starting center (or we miss our other targets and are forced to play him as a starter) we're in deep doo doo.

Last season we bright in Carlos to be a backup point, and we never got another… If that happens this year, I’m way happier with Kyle in that situation than Carlos. And unlike last year where we had literally no other pure point guards, at least we’ll have a few big men on the team to rotate at center with Kyle.

I fully expect another center to transfer. The other Kyle thread has an insider comment that we’re going bigger for center than even Ballard at this point… That sounds good to me!

 

[Cusefan69]

Per 40s really mean nothing, they just exist to frame stats better. If he actually played 30 mins a game last year he could have been better, or he could have been worse.

I'm more concerned he couldn't get minutes on a weak UCLA team and now he's coming here to get more minutes?

It was stated he was injured at the start of the season and other transfers stepped in while injured. Had a hard time coming back into the rotation supposedly. I believe that is what others have shared.

 

[bnoro]

It was stated he was injured at the start of the season and other transfers stepped in while injured. Had a hard time coming back into the rotation supposedly. I believe that is what others have shared.

He was averaging 12 mpg before injury. I don't think it made a huge difference either way

 

[OrangeinBoston]

Per 40s really mean nothing, they just exist to frame stats better. If he actually played 30 mins a game last year he could have been better, or he could have been worse.

I'm more concerned he couldn't get minutes on a weak UCLA team and now he's coming here to get more minutes?

Weak? 22 wins 10 losses, held their own against Tennessee in the tournament. You must have had your head in the sand.

 

[pearl31]

Weak? 22 wins 10 losses, held their own against Tennessee in the tournament. You must have had your head in the sand.

shhh, narrative in progress

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

My fantasy of Red acquiring the depth pieces to play fast and leverage a group of players with superior athleticism... paired with some shooters... could be in play.

How they operate cohesively on the defensive side is what I'm most afraid of. This is a good start.