CB Duce Chestnut transferring to LSU

[Cusefan69]

For those of you on the edge and want some maybe good news, swing over to the recruiting board. We are getting a visit from a high end talent wise portal QB, duel threat from 2021. Would be a great addition to our QB room.

 

[Dick_in_MI]

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Not to derail the conversation from The Fall of Football Civilization As We Know It (which, sadly, it is), I have been in the bar where that scene from Animal House that JKinPhilly posted was filmed. Actually, I have visited all of the Animal House filming locations on the University of Oregon campus, as well as the locations in and around Eugene. I'm out there a lot, I always liked the movie, and the locations are easy to find.

Several years ago, my wife and I found The Dexter Lake Club, where this road trip scene was filmed. It is about 15 minutes outside of Eugene and looks like it hasn't seen even the most minimal of renovations since the movie was made. We got there around noon but the sign on the door said it opened at 5. There is now a small BBQ place attached to the side so we went in to have lunch. After placing my order, I said to the guy "so the bar next door is where they filmed Animal House?" He said it was and asked if I wanted to see it. I replied that I did but it was closed until 5. He smiled and said "I own it. Just walk down this hallway past the kitchen and through the door."

I did and we had the bar to ourselves. That said, it is much smaller than it looked in the movie. There are a couple of posters commemorating the movie and in one corner is the small "stage" where Otis Day and the Knights played. On the stage is the table shown in the above photo that The Big Dude pulled out of the floor.

 

[sufandu]

If you need to find a way to lie to yourself that it's ok, this is the way I think of it -

Both of these guys pretty much started games right from the jump, right? Duce as a two year starter, Carter as a three year starter.

If a guy didn't play much early, but then gave us 2-3 good years as a high level starter we'd feel pretty good about that, right?

In this case, we just happened to get the starting years on the front end.

Nah. The excitement comes from the promise ahead. LSU gets to enjoy that now.

Sports are fun when you feel like you have a chance to compete. As your best players develop, you're supposed to get more competitive. If you become a feeder for other programs, that won't be fun. If that's the direction this keeps going, I'm not going to try to trick myself into thinking it's fun. I'll find a genuinely enjoyable way to spend my time.

I'm already apathetic about basketball. I used to do whatever I could to catch every game I could. Now I catch games, if it's convenient and doesn't interfere much with what my family likes. That path started when guys started jumping to the league while they were merely average. Just as we could see them start to develop into our next star, they'd go. It's just not as fun.

 

[Consigliere]

The biggest bummer to me is all the time spent by the staff identifying and recruiting, then developing a guy, then, as a fan, being excited to see them develop and imagining how they can be a piece of the puzzle to elevate your team to increased success as other pieces are identified and developed only to have it gone before the pieces can be put together. For a team like us that depends so much on developing guys, it feels like spinning your wheels.

That’s the thing that kills me. Kid commits to a program for his college career as the best available option. Program invests time and resources in developing that player. Then, with nothing changing other than the player improving skills and/or getting more visibility as a result of the program’s investment, a bigger name program, who generally had no interest initially, entices the player to abandon his commitment for perceived greener grass.

Pendulum has swung too far IMO. P5 football scholarships are a contract for four years. But commitments can be broken by the player at any time. And let’s not kid ourselves. This is all because the NCAA threw up its hands and caved in transfer requests out of some PC based efficiency grab.

Reinstate the year in residence rule with clearly defined exceptions: Head Coach leaves, program changes conferences, mutual release, etc. Restructure so that the year in residence does not count against eligibility clock. Player can still reap benefits of greater NIL potential but having to sit a year may well impact value. And the factories may be less likely to recruit transfers if they know they are more than a year away from seeing the field.

Don’t get me wrong. I am happy to see the players benefit from changes in the environment. I just feel those changes were very one sided and did not consider program continuity and competitive balance.?

 

[PhatOrange]

 

[Trueblue25]

Future pro bowlers Andre Cisco and Garrett Williams will say “Syracuse University”.

Trill will have a real shot at the 2 deep next year in Miami. Iffy and Zaire are already there.

So I’m fine with it.

 

[Cusefan69]

Future pro bowlers Andre Cisco and Garrett Williams will say “Syracuse University”.

Trill will have a real shot at the 2 deep next year in Miami. Iffy and Zaire are already there.

So I’m fine with it.

Plus Berg, Wax, Tucker and Thompson.

 

[GoSU96]

For the love of god, it’s two starters of note since all of this open transfer stuff started. Almost every team in the country is losing guys they want to keep.

If all you lose is two out of your top 10 to the portal every year, you are doing great. And SU has added more through the portal than it has lost.

 

[Trueblue25]

Plus Berg, Wax, Tucker and Thompson.

Jones and Oronde too.

 

[All4SU]

The portal is just a college-free agency.

Not really. Free agency is teams being able to sign a professional player to a contract. Other teams get to counter. It’s all above board.

Portal/NIL is people handing out bags of cash, pretending it’s for NIL, when we all know it’s pay to play, it’s behind the scenes. It’s crooked.

People have been saying on here, “It’s always been cheating. Now it’s in the open.” No it’s not. It’s not in the open, it’s just bigger cheating involving more teams.

 

[Finwad32]

When I think about this, it’s really the same thing as the business world. Company A brings someone in at X salary and trains them up.

When they become proficient and develop skills, company B comes in with a better offer and most times the employee moves on. Sometimes they don’t.

It’s no different, it’s just penetrated the college football world.

I’d still say that since the portal was created, we’re definitely on the + side of the pendulum. That doesn’t change the reality that we don’t have the revenue to compete with bigger “companies”.

 

[Cusefan0307]

College football has been washed for a decade. It’s good to see some people finally catching on.

 

[sufandu]

When I think about this, it’s really the same thing as the business world. Company A brings someone in at X salary and trains them up.

When they become proficient and develop skills, company B comes in with a better offer and most times the employee moves on. Sometimes they don’t.

It’s no different, it’s just penetrated the college football world.

I’d still say that since the portal was created, we’re definitely on the + side of the pendulum. That doesn’t change the reality that we don’t have the revenue to compete with bigger “companies”.

The difference is companies don't have fans that follow them. And the companies that consistently lose talent go out of business or they're absorbed into bigger companies.

 

[kcsu]

I dont want any player who Syracuse coached up and helped make a success to dump on us and their teammates and be successful elsewhere. I dont begrudge them getting paid but as far as on field success i personally dont want them to do well.
On the other hand kids who transfer for an opportunity to play i 100% hope they find on field success at their new school. My exception with our two departing starters is that if they left because coach white left thats understandable. Other than that i hope they both get paid an enormous amount of money and end up sitting on the bench.

 

[sufandu]

For the love of god, it’s two starters of note since all of this open transfer stuff started. Almost every team in the country is losing guys they want to keep.

If all you lose is two out of your top 10 to the portal every year, you are doing great. And SU has added more through the portal than it has lost.

It's added more with regards to numbers. Has is added more talent? How high have our in bound transfers been drafted? How high will the two we recently lost be projected? Maybe the new guys we're bringing in will be great. As of right now, they're guys that left their previous teams because they didn't play there (at least the guys leaving P5 programs). Our guys were starters.

Losing two starters to the portal will be a big deal, if that continues. That will add up to a lot of attrition when added to guys graduating and guys jumping early to the league.

 

[SmilinBob]

There are players that transfer to SU from "smaller" conferences that started so isn't it a bit hypercritical to be angry that one of SU's goes to an elite football school? We all do it in our jobs as well.

 

[Bulldog04]

Also, Duce lost his DC. I think people keep forgetting that. If my coach left when I was in college playing my sport, I would be gone too

 

[hoopsupstate]

I enjoy college football. I know our place on the hierarchy. I don’t like losing players like Duce or Jihad but I am not going to cry over spilled milk. Our coaches are paid to build a roster. If a player wants to leave for a blue blood I am not going to complain.
Syracuse takes it fair share of transfers as well.

Duce and Jihad are going to elite schools. We can’t complain about that.

They are going to elite football schools, not elite schools. There’s a difference.

 

[Finwad32]

The difference is companies don't have fans that follow them. And the companies that consistently lose talent go out of business or they're absorbed into bigger companies.

I agree, and fans will live with it or they won’t. And I don’t necessarily agree with the second statement, that might be true in some industries but definitely not all. Big fish eat small fish, and that doesn’t necessarily mean your absorbed if your the small fish. You just have to keep developing talent and stay in the shallow end.

 

[Chip]

We are DB U.

Two top recruits transferred in. Two top recruits transferred in last year. Two transfers went to Ohio State and LSU. Two former players declared for the NFL just 3 years out of HS and are now in the NFL playoffs.

Don't get angry about it, celebrate it.

 

[ForCuseSake]

Not to derail the conversation from The Fall of Football Civilization As We Know It (which, sadly, it is), I have been in the bar where that scene from Animal House that JKinPhilly posted was filmed. Actually, I have visited all of the Animal House filming locations on the University of Oregon campus, as well as the locations in and around Eugene. I'm out there a lot, I always liked the movie, and the locations are easy to find.

Several years ago, my wife and I found The Dexter Lake Club, where this road trip scene was filmed. It is about 15 minutes outside of Eugene and looks like it hasn't seen even the most minimal of renovations since the movie was made. We got there around noon but the sign on the door said it opened at 5. There is now a small BBQ place attached to the side so we went in to have lunch. After placing my order, I said to the guy "so the bar next door is where they filmed Animal House?" He said it was and asked if I wanted to see it. I replied that I did but it was closed until 5. He smiled and said "I own it. Just walk down this hallway past the kitchen and through the door."

I did and we had the bar to ourselves. That said, it is much smaller than it looked in the movie. There are a couple of posters commemorating the movie and in one corner is the small "stage" where Otis Day and the Knights played. On the stage is the table shown in the above photo that The Big Dude pulled out of the floor.

My favorite post in this thread.

Did you shout “Otis!! My man!”?

I don’t know if I could stand in that room and resist the urge.

 

[upperdeck]

When I think about this, it’s really the same thing as the business world. Company A brings someone in at X salary and trains them up.

When they become proficient and develop skills, company B comes in with a better offer and most times the employee moves on. Sometimes they don’t.

It’s no different, it’s just penetrated the college football world.

I’d still say that since the portal was created, we’re definitely on the + side of the pendulum. That doesn’t change the reality that we don’t have the revenue to compete with bigger “companies”.

its not really the same thing.

College is where schools strive maintain a competitive balance to make it fair. This NIL removes some of that balance.. Its why the Pros have salary caps to try to keep it somewhat in sync. now if the NIL had team caps that would make it more fair. But that requires a union to give away some player rights.

NIl Is great for some players.. But others have to realize its also removing a bunch of money fro 95% of the other players.

 

[sutomcat]

Not to derail the conversation from The Fall of Football Civilization As We Know It (which, sadly, it is), I have been in the bar where that scene from Animal House that JKinPhilly posted was filmed. Actually, I have visited all of the Animal House filming locations on the University of Oregon campus, as well as the locations in and around Eugene. I'm out there a lot, I always liked the movie, and the locations are easy to find.

Several years ago, my wife and I found The Dexter Lake Club, where this road trip scene was filmed. It is about 15 minutes outside of Eugene and looks like it hasn't seen even the most minimal of renovations since the movie was made. We got there around noon but the sign on the door said it opened at 5. There is now a small BBQ place attached to the side so we went in to have lunch. After placing my order, I said to the guy "so the bar next door is where they filmed Animal House?" He said it was and asked if I wanted to see it. I replied that I did but it was closed until 5. He smiled and said "I own it. Just walk down this hallway past the kitchen and through the door."

I did and we had the bar to ourselves. That said, it is much smaller than it looked in the movie. There are a couple of posters commemorating the movie and in one corner is the small "stage" where Otis Day and the Knights played. On the stage is the table shown in the above photo that The Big Dude pulled out of the floor.

Good stuff.

I saw a 'behind the scenes' special on the making of Animal House a couple of years ago. It was very interesting and anyone who is a big fan of the movie should check it out. I just googled it and found the link, so if you want more info, check this out:


A few highlights:

The script changed vastly over time. I remember them talking about the huge problems they had finding locations to shoot the movie. They really wanted an Ivy League type campus in the Northeast but everyone turned them down. They stumbled upon Oregon late and lucked out because the chancellor okayed them to film without reading the screenplay. Most of Belushi's best stuff was improvised. The other actors had a hard time working with him because he was so funny.

 

[Dick_in_MI]

My favorite post in this thread.

Did you shout “Otis!! My man!”?

I don’t know if I could stand in that room and resist the urge.

LOL, no. Wish I had thought of that.

At Oregon football games, they do a thing at the end of the 3rd quarter where they have a video of "Shout" on the big screen. It was filmed in the basement of the building that served as both the sorority house and all of the interior scenes of the Delta house...so the actual basement where the campus scene with Otis was shot. Otis Day and his latter-day band sing "Shout" and a toga party made up of U of Oregon celebs (athletes, actors, etc) are dancing in togas. They do a countdown and the crowd really gets into it. Pretty cool bit of gameday color and tradition, and I suppose Otis gets a piece of the action.

We used to do the Elmira Express thing but it didn't have the "fun factor" that things like this or Wisconsin's jump around have.

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

My favorite post in this thread.

Did you shout “Otis!! My man!”?

I don’t know if I could stand in that room and resist the urge.

I legit exclaim that every time I pass the "Entering Otis" sign on the Mass Pike (usually 4 to 6 times a year).

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