CDRW

[Chip]

lot of speculation here

I was with him on the first few sentences (he was instantly the backup QB the moment he stepped on campus).

But then he lost me.

 

[GoSU96]

Shrader having a 148 rating against FBS exceeds all my expectations. My expectations were low because of his inaccuracy. Part of the reason he's exceeding expectations is because he's gotten better - good for him. Another part of the reason he's exceeding expectations is because this is a good offense that makes it easy to throw to the right players at the right time. It's a bit like how a bad basketball offense that creates bad shots will knock down a guy who actually can make open shots. This offense, especially with competent assistants gives QBs good open looks. When he struggles this year, it comes from him alternating between not pulling the trigger and forcing it to Gadsden

But a 148 rating is pretty good and it's a lot better than other QBs people went gaga over here

agree 100%. I thought he could get to 8yds or so per attempt and have increased volume help boost yardage. I didn’t see 9 to 10 yds per throwing less than 30 times per game in the cards.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I was with him on the first few sentences (he was instantly the backup QB the moment he stepped on campus).

But then he lost me.

Yeah, I expect he has a ton of skill but it's going to take some time, IMO. He hasn't played a full game in 2 years and he strikes me as a kid that's going to play on that razors edge. Polar opposite of a game manager

 

[PhatOrange]

He looked amazing against Louisville.

He threw an incredible pass to win the game against Purdue and that play will go down as an all time SU football highlight, but I think he was 13-29 that game? He struggled for a large part of the Virginia game - which we were extremely fortunate was not a “what the effff” loss.

He’s a great runner - one of the best at escaping sacks and then running for a first down - back breakers for the opponent. On designed runs or RPO keepers - he is incredible when he gets a head of steam in the open field and even when it’s well defended he often gets 2-3 more yards than it seems he should because he’s a monster and athletic and tough.

I freakin LOVE the guy.

He’s an improved passer but I wouldn’t say a particularly good one. He went from bad to ok….but he can both get hot, and inexplicably pull an amazing throw seemingly out of nowhere.

He’s not always great at reading things, but sometimes can compensate for that because he’s got that “backyard playmaker Magic” ala Dungey.

He helped us to 6-0 and if he’s healthy and can run like normal, he should still be the guy.

But if he can’t….it sucks, but it is what it is. You can’t have that guy hobbled and trying to sit back there in the pocket. We won’t win another game.

well said.

 

[storange]

well said.

Honestly, who on this board wants GS on the field if he is hobbled. I think there is total agreement here.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Honestly, who on this board wants GS on the field if he is hobbled. I think there is total agreement here.

100%, I think that is for sure, whatever gives us the best chance moving forward. On top of that I am hoping CRDW comes out and kills it Saturday because that is what gives us the best chance to win.

 

[PhatOrange]

Honestly, who on this board wants GS on the field if he is hobbled. I think there is total agreement here.

well, there was a bit more said than that and DW summed up pretty much how I feel. But people take my criticism of his QB skills as hating on him. Typical garbage. He's a good football player. I can think he's great football player and average QB, doesn't mean I don't like the kid.

Regarding his health, where I differ slightly is that - even 100% healthy - I don't think he's a good enough passer to keep a hold on the job if he's struggling. Similar to Dabo pulling the plug on DJ in our game. If Shrader isn't performing, Wilson is good enough to give some run to and maybe provide a spark.

 

[Timonen]

Haven’t read every note here so apologies if rehashing something but it struck me how hard Carlos throws. He really zips it. This is a major contrast to Garrett whose throws are pretty “pillowy”. Gotta think that influenced our dropsies bigly. Hopefully a week of heavy throws like that will help but it worries me.

 

[Trueblue25]

Im firmly in the camp of starting Carlos vs Pitt.

People here though are criminally downplaying how good Shrader’s become though. He is hurt, he can’t play to his strengths. Carlos is a better option, presently. I dont think Carlos is a better college quarterback yet though. Shrader’s proven he’s a top 20 QB when healthy.

 

[djorange1989]

Haven’t read every note here so apologies if rehashing something but it struck me how hard Carlos throws. He really zips it. This is a major contrast to Garrett whose throws are pretty “pillowy”. Gotta think that influenced our dropsies bigly. Hopefully a week of heavy throws like that will help but it worries me.

if it makes you feel better most of our WRs have had the dropsies since 2019 so it isn't Carlos' fault. he didn't know.

 

[djorange1989]

Im firmly in the camp of starting Carlos vs Pitt.

People here though are criminally downplaying how good Shrader’s become though. He is hurt, he can’t play to his strengths. Carlos is a better option, presently. I dont think Carlos is a better college quarterback yet though. Shrader’s proven he’s a top 20 QB when healthy.

true and the thing is, we were all killing GS last year for being such a crap passer, but besides being stuck in an offense being run by a moron, he was playing some good football until he got hammered on the game winning throw vs Va Tech. he clearly was playing hurt the rest of the way and it showed. This year, when relatively healthy and with non-moron OC/QB coaches, he has gotten that much better. I can't imagine him being healed up from last weekend to the point where he could have been practicing this week and ready to go this weekend. Carlos needs to start and hopefully he can look sharp like he mostly did last week, just might need to ramp his adrenaline down a bit.

 

[Trueblue25]

true and the thing is, we were all killing GS last year for being such a crap passer, but besides being stuck in an offense being run by a moron, he was playing some good football until he got hammered on the game winning throw vs Va Tech. he clearly was playing hurt the rest of the way and it showed. This year, when relatively healthy and with non-moron OC/QB coaches, he has gotten that much better. I can't imagine him being healed up from last weekend to the point where he could have been practicing this week and ready to go this weekend. Carlos needs to start and hopefully he can look sharp like he mostly did last week, just might need to ramp his adrenaline down a bit.

Yep, and he got hammered even harder during the last drive vs Clemson. I don’t know how anyone could get up after that, and not only did he get up, but he threw a huge first down right after. No shot he felt right after that. Absolutely obliterated

 

[OrangeDW]

well, there was a bit more said than that and DW summed up pretty much how I feel. But people take my criticism of his QB skills as hating on him. Typical garbage. He's a good football player. I can think he's great football player and average QB, doesn't mean I don't like the kid.

Regarding his health, where I differ slightly is that - even 100% healthy - I don't think he's a good enough passer to keep a hold on the job if he's struggling. Similar to Dabo pulling the plug on DJ in our game. If Shrader isn't performing, Wilson is good enough to give some run to and maybe provide a spark.

For me that is the tough part, because there have been times where he looks awful for a few series’s and then catches fire. Or makes a few awful throws, then hits on one of the best game winning TD throws I’ve seen.

It’s hard to pull the plug on a guy who can catch fire and carry you or make incredibly tough plays at any time.

A b-ball comparision might be GMac - who could start 0-10 and then hit 4 3’s in a row.

Or he could go 3-15, but drill the one at the end that gives you the lead and then make 6 FT’s in the last minute to ice the game.

 

[djorange1989]

Yep, and he got hammered even harder during the last drive vs Clemson. I don’t know how anyone could get up after that, and not only did he get up, but he threw a huge first down right after. No shot he felt right after that. Absolutely obliterated

yep, the only other guy who could get up from that kind of hit was Dungey, which he did when he took basically the exact same brutal hit at the exact same time in the 2018 game.

 

[money3189]

You play the guy that gives you the best chance to win. With that said I still like the combination of Shrader's legs and limited arm talent. (When he's healthy) . Im not sure we have the Wr talent to have a consistent 250-300 yard passer.

 

[Millhouse]

true and the thing is, we were all killing GS last year for being such a crap passer, but besides being stuck in an offense being run by a moron, he was playing some good football until he got hammered on the game winning throw vs Va Tech. he clearly was playing hurt the rest of the way and it showed. This year, when relatively healthy and with non-moron OC/QB coaches, he has gotten that much better. I can't imagine him being healed up from last weekend to the point where he could have been practicing this week and ready to go this weekend. Carlos needs to start and hopefully he can look sharp like he mostly did last week, just might need to ramp his adrenaline down flawsa bit.

It drove me nuts for so long that our QB play was so inefficient. So many other teams were able to be efficient with flawed QBs. We are finally seeing that the floor for babers offense is pretty good provided there aren't horrific flaws.

I bet devito would've been alright this year here, not that I prefer him (I don't)

 

[OttoinGrotto]

true and the thing is, we were all killing GS last year for being such a crap passer, but besides being stuck in an offense being run by a moron, he was playing some good football until he got hammered on the game winning throw vs Va Tech. he clearly was playing hurt the rest of the way and it showed. This year, when relatively healthy and with non-moron OC/QB coaches, he has gotten that much better. I can't imagine him being healed up from last weekend to the point where he could have been practicing this week and ready to go this weekend. Carlos needs to start and hopefully he can look sharp like he mostly did last week, just might need to ramp his adrenaline down a bit.

I think the thing with Shrader is that there's a huge difference between healthy Shrader and hobbled Shrader, and hobbled Shrader just doesn't move the ball throwing or passing like healthy Shrader.

When it's clear we have hobbled Shrader we need to be pretty quick to go with somebody else.

 

[RF2044]

I think the thing with Shrader is that there's a huge difference between healthy Shrader and hobbled Shrader, and hobbled Shrader just doesn't move the ball throwing or passing like healthy Shrader.

When it's clear we have hobbled Shrader we need to be pretty quick to go with somebody else.

Spot on. And some posters seem to conflate hobbled Shrader's productivity with limitations.

 

[cusefan88]

We saw it the last two weeks. Shrader didn't escape the pocket when he normally would because he's hurt. If that part of his game isn't there then the team has to go with QB2

 

[TheCusian]

I think the thing with Shrader is that there's a huge difference between healthy Shrader and hobbled Shrader, and hobbled Shrader just doesn't move the ball throwing or passing like healthy Shrader.

When it's clear we have hobbled Shrader we need to be pretty quick to go with somebody else.

The problem is probably (just based on his demeanor) that *he* doesn’t think there’s a difference

 

[721Comstock]

For me that is the tough part, because there have been times where he looks awful for a few series’s and then catches fire. Or makes a few awful throws, then hits on one of the best game winning TD throws I’ve seen.

It’s hard to pull the plug on a guy who can catch fire and carry you or make incredibly tough plays at any time.

A b-ball comparision might be GMac - who could start 0-10 and then hit 4 3’s in a row.

Or he could go 3-15, but drill the one at the end that gives you the lead and then make 6 FT’s in the last minute to ice the game.

Yeah, but -

This isn’t BET MVP GMac now -
It’s injured, hobbled GMac vs aTm.

Unless he heals like Wolverine, I don’t see any was Shrader “gets hot” vs. Pitt.

He couldn’t run, couldn’t scramble, and wasn’t able to step into his throws by the time he got removed from the ND game.

He couldn’t even move laterally to try to tackle/get in the way of the dude he threw the pick-6 to, and that was the healthiest he was all last game.

I’m not writing him off for the season.
Or anointing CDRW as QB1 now.

Hoping that with a full week of rest,
GS can practice next week, and lead us to a W over FSU.

 

[FrancoPizza]

We saw it the last two weeks. Shrader didn't escape the pocket when he normally would because he's hurt. If that part of his game isn't there then the team has to go with QB2

With the exception of the last 6 games of 2012, all successful SU offenses in the last 40 years required a QB that can get chunk yards when the receivers aren't open.

 

[TheCusian]

With the exception of the last 6 games of 2012, all successful SU offenses in the last 40 years required a QB that can get chunk yards when the receivers aren't open.

Truth.*

*most good college football offenses operate this exact way over that same time period

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Spot on. And some posters seem to conflate hobbled Shrader's productivity with limitations.

This is actually partly why early in the season I said it might not be a bad idea to give CD-RW a series here or there. Help keep some tread on Shrader's tires and develop a second option a little more since we already saw in one season that it's asking a lot of him to hold up

The problem is probably (just based on his demeanor) that *he* doesn’t think there’s a difference

Yeah, there's a fine line between "being a warrior" as we like to say about football players and putting yourself at risk and putting your team's chances to win at risk. Shrader was moving so poorly I was afraid he'd get hurt worse. That's not how you want to feel about a guy, and when you have that feeling, it's probably suggesting your chances of winning aren't very good.

I don't blame Shrader for trying to give it a go. I do think it's questionable why the coaching staff didn't move sooner once it was clear he was a shell of himself.

Last week Utah's starting QB Cam Rising pulled himself 30 minutes before kickoff in favor of a backup QB against Washington State. He just didn't feel he could give the team their best chance to win. I want to be clear, I'm not saying that's what Shrader should have done. I am pointing to it as an example though of a decision that can be made. The day after the game the local radio hosts made a big deal about what that says about the program culture Utah's built, that a starting QB could feel comfortable enough with his standing on the team and what he thinks is best for the team's chances to win to say he thinks another guy is better suited to do what they need. Again, I'm not saying our coaches don't have a good program culture. I'm saying that there are examples of other choices being made than Shrader having to play Weekend at Bernie's: The College Years if he's hobbled.

 

[dollarbill44]

Shrader has the advantage of experience, but in terms of tools and talent, CD-RW already looks way ahead as a passer and I suspect it isn't close.

Don't get wrong, Shrader is pretty bad a.

Seems to me like CD-RW is even badder a.

He's got a lot to prove before we should be saying he's badder than Shrader.
Let's see him deliver high-degree of difficulty game winning TD pass while getting smashed in the chest.