Chris Ash thread...

[Entropic]

Meyer always uses Co-coordinators.

Withers and Fickell
Herman and Warinner
Fickell and Ash
Warinner and Beck

Charlie Strong and Greg Mattison were co-DC's at Florida.

Finkle and einhorn...

 

[sdhall01]

I thought OSU was known for pawning swag, not igniting it?

It's cool. If they lose Ash, they've got another DC.

 

[nzm136]

UMD is interviewing Mark "I spent the last 15 years winning 9-10 games a year at UGA" Richt, and we're interviewing Chris "I went to school with the AD " Ash.

 

[jekelish]

UMD is interviewing Mark "I spent the last 15 years winning 9-10 games a year at UGA" Richt, and we're interviewing Chris "I went to school with the AD " Ash.

UMD also has Under "We have more money than God" Armour to foot the bill.

 

[nzm136]

Screw it. Let's just hire sweater vest. Yeah, I know there are sanctions that follow him, but at this rate, there's nothing that the NCAA can do to us that we haven't already willingly done to ourselves.

(I know I'm being dramatic, but if we're really floundering this bad, I might as well have some fun)

 

[nzm136]

UMD also has Under "We have more money than God" Armour to foot the bill.

That may be true, but UA has spent the last eternity asleep at the wheel. Their AD is broke (hence the move to the B1G). Also, I heard that they're having serious issues raising money from the other donors, and UA isn't bankrolling the AD like Nike does Oregon.

EDIT: I'm pretty sure that they're also paying off a $30(?) million dollar loan from the B1G, and that's on top of their other athletic debt, which is pretty substantial.

 

[ArchDuke]

Screw it. Let's just hire sweater vest. Yeah, I know there are sanctions that follow him, but at this rate, there's nothing that the NCAA can do to us that we haven't already willingly done to ourselves.

(I know I'm being dramatic, but if we're really floundering this bad, I might as well have some fun)

He's a college president now and I believe he's still got one more year before he can coach again. I couldn't stand him at Ohio but it's hard to tell if I hate him more than I hate losing 8 and 9 times a year.

 

[OrangeViking]

 

[TheCusian]

As much as I'd hate Ash as a hire, I do admire this: our top two candidates were both coordinators in the national championship game last season.

ACC > BE
Coyle > Gross
$ now > $ then

 

[Millhouse]

As much as I'd hate Ash as a hire, I do admire this: our top two candidates were both coordinators in the national championship game last season.

ACC > BE
Coyle > Gross
$ now > $ then

That sounds great until you remember gerg at Texas. That guy ruins everything

 

[RF2044]

No, unless it is this guy:

 

[IthacaBarrel]

That sounds great until you remember gerg at Texas. That guy ruins everything

Yes. Coaching for a factory doesn't make you a success. The thing about Frost is #1 he is an offensive coach who brings with him a proven offensive system that should help us fix our biggest problem. I am not saying he is a savior nor is he my top choice, in fact he is probably 5th or 6th on my list but the hire would make a ton of sense, can't really complain too much. There would be hope for sure

Ash- NO -ING WAY. No WAY

We never fix what is broken

 

[Moontan]

smAsh mouth football at the Dome... ahhhh

 

[orangenirvana]

That interview is reason enough not to hire. good Lord. I'm sick.

This guy will be an unmitigated disaster. GROB like.

He is the prototype of a steak head.

Yep. I'm cringing at those in this thread who are rationalizing the possibility of this hire.

You can tell a lot by interviews, imo. I'm sure Ash impresses Ohio gym teachers, talking about tackling and how many times he watches Pete Carroll videos while spit flies out of his mouth. But how hard is it recruiting Ohio when you work for Ohio State? Syracuse is a completely different story.

SU has certain disadvantages that requires us to be smarter than the rest of the ACC when identifying who to run this program. But we also have a unique advantage. Playing in an indoor environment is unlike anything that our northeast peers can offer. Combined with the fact that we're living in a time when creativity of offensive football is better than it has ever been - the northeast region is begging for a program to take on those schemes. And being in a Dome, Syracuse may be the only one that realistically pull that off.

Instead we're talking about hiring yet another midwest/northeast old school ball-control / field position / time of possession is important type? (I'm trying not to say meathead because I don't want to overuse it but it's so damn perfect). It's mind-boggling.

I was hopeful that Coyle understood all of this. Now I'm worried.

 

[CuseLegacy]

But if Coyle hires Ash we could become "THE SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY"

 

[sutomcat]

Respectfully disagree on the meathead evaluations. He speaks much better than GRob, or Coach P for that matter.

No idea what he might do on offense but the guy is extremely respected in the coaching profession and is considered one of the best DCs in the business.

Interesting relationship with Narduzzi. If he comes here, the Pitt games will be a lot more interesting from day one.

 

[Scooch]

Respectfully disagree on the meathead evaluations. He speaks much better than GRob, or Coach P for that matter. No idea what he might do on offense but the guy is extremely respected in the coaching profession and is considered one of the best DCs in the business. Interesting relationship with Narduzzi. If he comes here, the Pitt games will be a lot more interesting from day one.

His interview struck me as a more articulate version of Coach P.

I'm not getting worked up, we're not hiring this guy.

 

[GoSU96]

That sounds great until you remember gerg at Texas. That guy ruins everything

I'll say this again, Robinson and these guys have nothing in common other than job title.

Robinson, outright fired twice in four years prior to being hired by SU, long time in NFL.

Any of these guys, upward, nothing but success in college. They have more in common with Marrone, who moved up through the ranks and was successful at every stop.

Would I prefer Montgomery, absolutely, but if Coyne sees that the larger issue was overall team management and Shafer was NEVER going to get it, and Ash is ready for that CEO role, then the bigger question is who are the coordinators.

If the issue with Frost is a couple of hundred k, that's stupid, but if he is looking for second hire as HC money like Fuente got, he can go away. No first time HC should be getting $3M to start. Or if he is asking for 5 years guaranteed, it's a death sentence if he fails.

 

[Budley]

Possible that Frost has backed off in hopes of getting one of the 38 "better" jobs? Or maybe Coyle just putting it out to get Frost's price down? Good candidates backing away in fear of playing their "home" games in Buffalo? So many things could be coming into play...

 

[Toga]

Coyle is just doing the Okie Doke with this.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

His interview struck me as a more articulate version of Coach P.

I'm not getting worked up, we're not hiring this guy.

The hire ignores our biggest problem and completely fails to look outside the box in hope of being successful. I'm sure he is a good defensive coach but who cares because it's not what we need.

Defense is dead. Death before steakheads

 

[Crusty]

No idea what he might do on offense but the guy is extremely respected in the coaching profession and is considered one of the best DCs in the business.

Interesting relationship with Narduzzi. If he comes here, the Pitt games will be a lot more interesting from day one.

Agreed and none of the names under consideration are meatheads. Every one has his accomplishments - the challenge is to find the best fit. To me this means many things including playing n the dome.

Ash appears to be a very talented secondary coach, but he is the CO DC making it difficult to judge his DC performance. Even giving him his due, we are still left with a DC with little experience at that job.

With all due respect Shafer was a respected DC as well. IMO If we are going to take a chance on a coordinator with no HC experience it should be an OC this time.

EDIT He does has considerable experience as a DC> My bad, I misread his bio. However, I still thnk we need to hire an offensive guy.

 

[721Comstock]

Agreed and none of the names under consideration are meatheads. Every one has his accomplishments - the challenge is to find the best fit. To me this means many things including playing n the dome.

Ash appears to be a very talented secondary coach, but he is the CO DC making it difficult to judge his DC performance. Even giving him his due, we are still left with a DC with little experience at that job.

With all due respect Shafer was a respected DC as well. IMO If we are going to take a chance on a coordinator with no HC experience it should be an OC this time.

HUH?? Weren't his prior gigs to tOSU as DC at Wisky and Ark?
How is that "little experience at that job"? He did it at 3 different P5 schools.

 

[Crusty]

HUH?? Weren't his prior gigs to tOSU as DC at Wisky and Ark?
How is that "little experience at that job"? He did it at 3 different P5 schools.

My bad, I misread it.

 

[CousCuse]

Coyle is just doing the Okie Doke with this.

TERRIBLE.