Chris Ash thread...

[cuse309]

As much as I'd hate Ash as a hire, I do admire this: our top two candidates were both coordinators in the national championship game last season.

ACC > BE
Coyle > Gross
$ now > $ then

Yeah, and G-Rob was DC with Texas when they won a N.C., and won 2 in Denver as a D.C.
Didn't seem to matter much.

 

[KellySyracuse]

But if Coyle hires Ash we could become "THE SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY"

oh god help us

 

[cuse309]

What's truly scary if this is true, is that the administration obviously did not approve much money to spend on a H.C., meaning, I can only imagine how little they're approving for the hiring for quality assistants. He'll probably have to hire a bunch of guys he knows from Drake.

 

[cvillecuse]

Yeah, and G-Rob was DC with Texas when they won a N.C., and won 2 in Denver as a D.C.
Didn't seem to matter much.

Robinson was in his first season at Syracuse when Texas won the NC

 

[Alsacs]

Nancy Reagan's message to the idea of hiring Chris Ash.

 

[TheCusian]

Yeah, and G-Rob was DC with Texas when they won a N.C., and won 2 in Denver as a D.C. Didn't seem to matter much.

C'mon. Trying to put some spin on what looks like a horrible thing. Run with it.

 

[Budley]

GRobinson would be a good DC with the OSU recruits, maybe he would make a great HC? Oh, wait...

 

[Millhouse]

I'll say this again, Robinson and these guys have nothing in common other than job title.

Robinson, outright fired twice in four years prior to being hired by SU, long time in NFL.

Any of these guys, upward, nothing but success in college. They have more in common with Marrone, who moved up through the ranks and was successful at every stop.

Would I prefer Montgomery, absolutely, but if Coyne sees that the larger issue was overall team management and Shafer was NEVER going to get it, and Ash is ready for that CEO role, then the bigger question is who are the coordinators.

If the issue with Frost is a couple of hundred k, that's stupid, but if he is looking for second hire as HC money like Fuente got, he can go away. No first time HC should be getting $3M to start. Or if he is asking for 5 years guaranteed, it's a death sentence if he fails.

When i said, "Gerg ruins everything" i meant that he was so bad, he freaks us out about any guy that has anything at all in common with him. I didn't actually mean that coaches in national championship games is a bad thing

 

[Millhouse]

Yep. I'm cringing at those in this thread who are rationalizing the possibility of this hire.

You can tell a lot by interviews, imo. I'm sure Ash impresses Ohio gym teachers, talking about tackling and how many times he watches Pete Carroll videos while spit flies out of his mouth. But how hard is it recruiting Ohio when you work for Ohio State? Syracuse is a completely different story.

SU has certain disadvantages that requires us to be smarter than the rest of the ACC when identifying who to run this program. But we also have a unique advantage. Playing in an indoor environment is unlike anything that our northeast peers can offer. Combined with the fact that we're living in a time when creativity of offensive football is better than it has ever been - the northeast region is begging for a program to take on those schemes. And being in a Dome, Syracuse may be the only one that realistically pull that off.

Instead we're talking about hiring yet another midwest/northeast old school ball-control / field position / time of possession is important type? (I'm trying not to say meathead because I don't want to overuse it but it's so damn perfect). It's mind-boggling.

I was hopeful that Coyle understood all of this. Now I'm worried.

i didn't mind that interview much. he seems a little coked up though.

 

[cuse309]

Robinson was in his first season at Syracuse when Texas won the NC

I stand erected. Although he did win two SB titles a d coordinator, and lead those Texas top 10 teams to some impressive D stats. At any rate...it didn't compute to helping us out here.

 

[cuse309]

GRobinson would be a good DC with the OSU recruits, maybe he would make a great HC? Oh, wait...

"That's a fair assessment "

 

[Melancer46]

I stand erected. Although he did win two SB titles a d coordinator, and lead those Texas top 10 teams to some impressive D stats. At any rate...it didn't compute to helping us out here.

Ummm...

 

[cuseguy]

Coyle is going to look bad if he hires his college buddy and he isn't successful.

 

[cuse309]

Ummm...

In a homo sapien way...

 

[crzdsufan]

Can somebody PLEASE, for the love of Christ, tell me where they are getting this information from? Everything I have read is that he is the safeties coach and Co-Defenseive Coordinator.

Base it off that he does the game plan and calls the plays on defense during the games. It is an assumption but one with basis as to what a typical coordinator does.

 

[SmilinBob]

One big problem with Robinson was not only was he not a very good HC but he sank himself with his OC hire. That combo crushed the Orange. You have to look at how any HC makes his adjustments when failure hits and also who he can hire as an OC if he is a "defensive" guy.

 

[jr4750]

What if Ash is hired and keeps Lester as OC? Wouldn't mind that.

 

[sdhall01]

Base it off that he does the game plan and calls the plays on defense during the games. It is an assumption but one with basis as to what a typical coordinator does.

Yeah, but he is a co-coordinator . . . Hypothetically the other coach could call the plays.

 

[sutomcat]

Agreed and none of the names under consideration are meatheads. Every one has his accomplishments - the challenge is to find the best fit. To me this means many things including playing n the dome.

Ash appears to be a very talented secondary coach, but he is the CO DC making it difficult to judge his DC performance. Even giving him his due, we are still left with a DC with little experience at that job.

With all due respect Shafer was a respected DC as well. IMO If we are going to take a chance on a coordinator with no HC experience it should be an OC this time.

EDIT He does has considerable experience as a DC> My bad, I misread his bio. However, I still thnk we need to hire an offensive guy.

Ash is also the DC at OSU, regardless of what his title says.

I would prefer a guy that runs a great offensive system but am open to taking a great defensive coach provided he plans to hire the right OC. That would be my first question to Ash in the interview. If he wants to hire a conservative, run based offense with a TEs and a FB, he goes in the reject bin immediately.

His rep is that he is excellent at stopping spread offenses. One would think he would therefore recognize how hard it is to defend and install it as his base offense.

 

[SmilinBob]

What if Ash is hired and keeps Lester as OC? Wouldn't mind that.

I think Lester did an excellent job teaching the qb's.

 

[SmilinBob]

Ash is also the DC at OSU, regardless of what his title says.

I would prefer a guy that runs a great offensive system but am open to taking a great defensive coach provided he plans to hire the right OC. That would be my first question to Ash in the interview. If he wants to hire a conservative, run based offense with a TEs and a FB, he goes in the reject bin immediately.

His rep is that he is excellent at stopping spread offenses. One would think he would therefore recognize how hard it is to defend and install it as his base offense.

I agree with your first part Tom but how many good spread offenses did Ohio State face? I don't see a lot of them in the Big 10, good ones at least.

 

[Crusty]

Ash is also the DC at OSU, regardless of what his title says.

I would prefer a guy that runs a great offensive system but am open to taking a great defensive coach provided he plans to hire the right OC. That would be my first question to Ash in the interview. If he wants to hire a conservative, run based offense with a TEs and a FB, he goes in the reject bin immediately.

His rep is that he is excellent at stopping spread offenses. One would think he would therefore recognize how hard it is to defend and install it as his base offense.

Let's hope that is the case.

 

[Faegan]

His rep is that he is excellent at stopping spread offenses. One would think he would therefore recognize how hard it is to defend and install it as his base offense.

And hence also understands what it means to install a spread correctly. Here's hoping if he's the guy.

 

[nzm136]

As much as I'd hate Ash as a hire, I do admire this: our top two candidates were both coordinators in the national championship game last season.

ACC > BE
Coyle > Gross
$ now > $ then

How do you figure?

 

[Nicknack]

This ought to be on page 1...

I get where people are coming from but we don't know diddly about Coyle's intentions here. Let's see this play out first and then judge.