Chris Ash thread...

[Millhouse]

Ash is also the DC at OSU, regardless of what his title says.

I would prefer a guy that runs a great offensive system but am open to taking a great defensive coach provided he plans to hire the right OC. That would be my first question to Ash in the interview. If he wants to hire a conservative, run based offense with a TEs and a FB, he goes in the reject bin immediately.

His rep is that he is excellent at stopping spread offenses. One would think he would therefore recognize how hard it is to defend and install it as his base offense.

for whatever reason offensive coaches from meyers tree have not done as well as you'd expect. there's mullen and herman. i'm not sure why it's not as easily transferred as the different forms of the air raid and i'm not sure what young offensive assistant who worked for meyer is ready to take that leap. that's the most important question with ash

 

[TheCusian]

How do you figure?

Gross hired the worst coach in Syracuse history and waited too long to fire him.
Got pushed into hiring the best coach in the last 11 in Marrone.

If you're looking for a young CFB coach who has championship experience, Frost and Ash are better hires on paper than Shafer and Robinson (and maybe Marrone).

 

[N.Y. Orangeman]

Gross hired the worst coach in Syracuse history and waited too long to fire him.
Got pushed into hiring the best coach in the last 11 in Marrone.

If you're looking for a young CFB coach who has championship experience, Frost and Ash are better hires on paper than Shafer and Robinson (and maybe Marrone).

This ^10000

 

[SmilinBob]

Another thing about Ash or whomever the HC may be, is he a good closer when it comes to recruiting? I thought Shafer did a very good job at that and it isn't easy closing a top recruit when you have 30K or less at games. His passion and honesty helped bring kids here, what will the new HC bring to the recruits table?

 

[SmilinBob]

for whatever reason offensive coaches from meyers tree have not done as well as you'd expect. there's mullen and herman. i'm not sure why it's not as easily transferred as the different forms of the air raid and i'm not sure what young offensive assistant who worked for meyer is ready to take that leap. that's the most important question with ash

Does Meyers call the plays or over ride them?

 

[sutomcat]

Another thing about Ash or whomever the HC may be, is he a good closer when it comes to recruiting? I thought Shafer did a very good job at that and it isn't easy closing a top recruit when you have 30K or less at games. His passion and honesty helped bring kids here, what will the new HC bring to the recruits table?

Ash has a reputation as an exceptional recruiter. Again, I would prefer a great offensive mind but if Ash wants in, has contacts and will run the offense we want, I am not against hiring a defensive guy.

Let's put it this way: I would rather get a 5 star defensive guy who is open to running the offense we want than a 3 star offensive guy.

 

[orangenirvana]

What if Ash is hired and keeps Lester as OC? Wouldn't mind that.

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[CuseCrew08]

Here's a crazy idea. Ash as HC and someone like Beau Baldwin as OC? He currently makes $212K at EWU. Would tripling his salary and giving him the opportunity to unveil his offense in a P5 conference be considered a better job than HC at an FCS school????

 

[CuseGrad94]

But if Coyle hires Ash we could become "THE SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY"

Or even better THE UNIVERSITY OF SYRACUSE

 

[longislandcuse]

Another thing about Ash or whomever the HC may be, is he a good closer when it comes to recruiting? I thought Shafer did a very good job at that and it isn't easy closing a top recruit when you have 30K or less at games. His passion and honesty helped bring kids here, what will the new HC bring to the recruits table?

Shafer was not a good recruiter. Extremely average. We have some talent but we also have facilities and the ACC patch on our jerseys to thank for that.

 

[jr4750]

Here's a crazy idea. Ash as HC and someone like Beau Baldwin as OC? He currently makes $212K at EWU. Would tripling his salary and giving him the opportunity to unveil his offense in a P5 conference be considered a better job than HC at an FCS school????

I agree, if they hire Ash, and presumably can do so for a salary closer to Shafs than 2.5 million, they need to pony up big on a OC. I take my Lester comment back.

 

[jekelish]

Ash has a reputation as an exceptional recruiter. Again, I would prefer a great offensive mind but if Ash wants in, has contacts and will run the offense we want, I am not against hiring a defensive guy.

Let's put it this way: I would rather get a 5 star defensive guy who is open to running the offense we want than a 3 star offensive guy.

Agree with this. I haven't been high on Ash just because he's a defensive guy without a lot of name recognition. But I've been reading up on him, and I'll be honest, I think he'd be a pretty solid hire. I'd still prefer hiring an offensive guy, but I'm no longer opposed to Ash. I was leaning this way even before the Frost news, by the way, so this isn't a Homer Simpson chasing the pig shouting, "It's still good, it's still good!" situation.

 

[FortyFourCT]

I just want to say, how do we know that Ash is a good recruiter? Does he have success everywhere he has been? I don't really think it is hard to be a good recruiter at OSU with Meyer as HC. I'm pretty sure I could bring in some 5 star recruits for them, seriously. Same with Orgeron at LSU and USC.

Give me a guy who is known as a good recruiter from a MAC or AAC or Sun Belt conference, because that is about how hard it is to recruit to SU.

 

[orangenirvana]

Ash has a reputation as an exceptional recruiter.

He does?

This article was written shortly after Meyer hired him in 2014.

"Ash, on the other hand, isn't known as a star-recruiter, and that could be just fine on a staff full of them already. Instead, he's a pure coaching hire and a smart choice with a long history of coaching defensive backs."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...e-of-chris-ash-brilliant-move-to-help-defense

 

[sutomcat]

I agree with your first part Tom but how many good spread offenses did Ohio State face? I don't see a lot of them in the Big 10, good ones at least.

Not a fan of the B1G and don't watch many games but in recent years, I believe OSU, Indiana, Illinois and Northwestern have all run spread or air raid type offenses.

Remember, he coached against OSU when he was the DC at Wisconsin. I think that was where Urban saw his schemes and how well designed they were.

He also coached against a bunch of spread offenses when he was coaching in the SEC as the DC at Arkansas...

 

[Macky44]

Or even better THE UNIVERSITY OF SYRACUSE

McNabb called SU " THE Syracuse University" a few times on monday night football back in the day. I got a kick out of that.

 

[Millhouse]

He does?

This article was written shortly after Meyer hired him in 2014.

"Ash, on the other hand, isn't known as a star-recruiter, and that could be just fine on a staff full of them already. Instead, he's a pure coaching hire and a smart choice with a long history of coaching defensive backs."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...e-of-chris-ash-brilliant-move-to-help-defense

ohio state is, was, and always will be loaded. my belly button lint could be a decent recruiter there

they've had one losing season since 1988 (john pooper's first year) and OF COURSE WE'RE RUMORED TO BE INTERVIEWING THAT COACH BECAUSE WE ARE WAS AND ALWAYS WILL BE LOADED AS IN STUPIDLY DRUNK

 

[Macky44]

He does?

This article was written shortly after Meyer hired him in 2014.

"Ash, on the other hand, isn't known as a star-recruiter, and that could be just fine on a staff full of them already. Instead, he's a pure coaching hire and a smart choice with a long history of coaching defensive backs."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...e-of-chris-ash-brilliant-move-to-help-defense

You are using Bleacher report as your defense? OY

 

[SmilinBob]

Ash has a reputation as an exceptional recruiter. Again, I would prefer a great offensive mind but if Ash wants in, has contacts and will run the offense we want, I am not against hiring a defensive guy.

Let's put it this way: I would rather get a 5 star defensive guy who is open to running the offense we want than a 3 star offensive guy.

I agree but the sell can't be any more different. If Ash could recruit linemen (D&O) and even if he kept Lester I think SU would in very good shape. How good of an evaluater is he? At OSU you can make those types of mistakes but not at SU. Also, let's add the growing pains of never being an HC which make some flush in the face until he learns/grows into the HC. This is the main reason to surround yourself with good quality coaches.

 

[RMH44]

Agree with this. I haven't been high on Ash just because he's a defensive guy without a lot of name recognition. But I've been reading up on him, and I'll be honest, I think he'd be a pretty solid hire. I'd still prefer hiring an offensive guy, but I'm no longer opposed to Ash. I was leaning this way even before the Frost news, by the way, so this isn't a Homer Simpson chasing the pig shouting, "It's still good, it's still good!" situation.

Agreed...and the word is he WANTS to be here.

 

[retro44]

Coyle is going to look bad if he hires his college buddy and he isn't successful.

He was going to look bad no matter who he hires if they didn't win enough....

 

[SmilinBob]

Shafer was not a good recruiter. Extremely average. We have some talent but we also have facilities and the ACC patch on our jerseys to thank for that.

I said I thought he was a good closer.

 

[retro44]

Ash is also the DC at OSU, regardless of what his title says.

I would prefer a guy that runs a great offensive system but am open to taking a great defensive coach provided he plans to hire the right OC. That would be my first question to Ash in the interview. If he wants to hire a conservative, run based offense with a TEs and a FB, he goes in the reject bin immediately.

His rep is that he is excellent at stopping spread offenses. One would think he would therefore recognize how hard it is to defend and install it as his base offense.

I believe Ash is also a solid recruiter in western Pa. and is considered one of the very best secondary coaches in the country. Defense was a big problem for us and besides he could retain Doust,but SU did fire all their assistants for a reason. Rutgers did not.

 

[longislandcuse]

I said I thought he was a good closer.

But those go hand in hand. He's closing on 3 stars which is fine but let's not act like he's sealing the deal on 4 stars and on the rare occasion he did, they somehow never made it to campus anyway.

We need better talent to compete and whether or not Shafer was a good closer is irrelevant because the talent he brought in wasn't good enough for the league we compete in now. The new hire has to be able to bring in a mix of 3/4 stars for us to ever have hopes of winning our division.

 

[SmilinBob]

But those go hand in hand. He's closing on 3 stars which is fine but let's not act like he's sealing the deal on 4 stars and on the rare occasion he did, they somehow never made it to campus anyway.

We need better talent to compete and whether or not Shafer was a good closer is irrelevant because the talent he brought in wasn't good enough for the league we compete in now. The new hire has to be able to bring in a mix of 3/4 stars for us to ever have hopes of winning our division.

I agree to a point. Recruiting a half full dome isn't an easy chore and I'd assume the people in charge of recruiting are the ones making the most contact and then the HC comes in.