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phil77
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Changes when you can recruit for Ohio State. I am sure all those people that went to Ohio State will come to Syracuse now because he is a star recruiter.
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Arkansas was ranked #77 in the nation on defense that season.
He left, and they improved to #24 without him.
Ash is no miracle worker.
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Ohio State isn't the only place he's recruited to.
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Funny how numbers can be made to look like whatever you want them to be... no chance anyone is changing their mind by someone throwing the numbers they like at them. These lists are like the Axis and the Allies. You're on one side and are 1000000% against the other guy.
I, of course, am the Allies...
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The OP is yesterday at 5:14PM. I check the thread for the first time today and we're already on page 17. LOL.
If this is the hire, It's purely a case of Coyle wanting his guy instead of a guy he inherited and the second straight poor record gave him the opportunity to do that. It's certainly not a different direction for the program.
If this is the hire, It's purely a case of Coyle wanting his guy instead of a guy he inherited and the second straight poor record gave him the opportunity to do that. It's certainly not a different direction for the program.
Well, let's hope he is as good as this Ash at catching them all:
https://www.google.com/search?q=pok...KADqMDG3M:&usg=__EO9qA1PEvlTHGsCVhAerzEWZTcA=
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Unless he believes Ash will be a better head coach?
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That isn't proven and if that was the case then why wasn't he Coyle's number 1 target? I see no reason to think he will be any better than Shafer.
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Obviously it isn't proven lol. Unless we get Mark Richt, whoever we hire will probably not be "proven" to be a better head coach than Shafer. That's generally how these things work. But to act as though all defense-first coaches are the same is a bit silly. Just because their resumes as coordinators are comparable doesn't mean that they'll have the same success as head coaches.
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would he bring tim beck to run the offense by himself?
So so by nebraska's standards when he was there
he might not even come here anyway. hard to find an OC in Ash's wheelhouse that is exciting
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I don't know much about him other than Ohio State fans love him and normally hate almost all their assistant coaches.
Here is what an Arkansas blogger said about Ash and the job he did with the Arkansas defense...
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Don't watch much OSU, Arkansas or Wisconsin football. I don't have Ash in my top 4 or 5 candidates. I would strongly prefer to get an offensive guru type.
I just know there are a lot of people inside the OSU football program and nationally who think very highly of him. He has coached a lot of great defenses in a short period of time. Judging him exclusively on a one year stint in Arkansas might not be the best way to evaluate him.
Georgia has had a heck of a lot of problems with kids being arrested under Richt. I don't know if that would play into the equation or not.
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then why is coyle lying to us and saying that he wants to see an exciting offense or something??
just make SS get better assistants.
ash resume < SS
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How did I make the numbers look a certain way? Those are official rankings. They are what they are. Doesn't mean he can't coach but it also isn't great evidence to use in demonstrating that he can.
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Yeah, this is basically where I stand. Ash isn't one of my top choices. I just think it's silly to say "Ash's resume is basically the same as Shafer's as a DC, so therefore, he must suck as a head coach too" like some here are doing. They're completely different jobs. I too would prefer that we go with an exciting offensive coach.
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Shafer - Good guy. Peers think highly of him. Recruits and Players love him. Defensive coordinator at P5.
Ash - Good guy. Peers think highly of him. Recruits and Players love him. Defensive coordinator at P5.
But unfair to assume they will coach the same? They almost have the exact same resume? Why make the change when Shafer already has great ties with the community. Screams my number 1 choice turned me down and I don't know what to do let me call my buddy.
Ash - Good guy. Peers think highly of him. Recruits and Players love him. Defensive coordinator at P5.
But unfair to assume they will coach the same? They almost have the exact same resume? Why make the change when Shafer already has great ties with the community. Screams my number 1 choice turned me down and I don't know what to do let me call my buddy.
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This would make zero sense... Are we sure it's not just head defensive coordinator? He isn't even the main DC at Ohio State, has never been a head coach and this is the man you want to hire? Cmon! He hasn't been hired yet so I'll reserve myself for now.
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Perhaps I worded that poorly. The numbers aren't being manipulated to demonstrate your point. Just that different people can take different years/different teams/different stats to back up your point. The numbers you posted were accurate, just as the other numbers that other selected that backed up their point of view were.
My point being stats are useful, but if someone is a competent coach, you will find some numbers that make him look good. Just like you can always find numbers that make him look bad if you are against him. No one has universally awesome numbers, so there will always be disagreement about what coach/philosophy people want in their new HC.
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