Chris Ash thread...

[nzm136]

I realize that this board only represents a handful of Syracuse fans, but I'm guessing that it's directionally representative (i.e. if this board is excited about a guy, then many SU fans will also be excited). With that in mind, I find it hard to believe that the AD would actually hire Ash. One of these threads has a "who do you want as your HC" poll and Ash's number are 4.5% right now. That means that he is only the top realistic pick for 1 out of about 23 posters on this site. Even if he is twice as popular in the outside world, he would only be the #1 pick for about 10% of SU fans. Given his lack of popularity and common Drake connection with Coyle, it he works, we will have to go through lean attendance years to get there, and if he doesn't work out, 90-95% of SU fans will be able to call the AD nepotistic and say "I told you so" (especially since SS' termination was controversial). If that happens, I really don't see the AD keeping his job, and there's no way that the AD is dumb enough to lose his job over this hire.

I mean he can't possibly be that stupid, right? ... right?

 

[elimunelson]

So Coyle hired his friend at the end of the day. Part of me thinks the entire Scott Frost charade was that, a charade.

We just hired a secondary coach folks, no HC'ng experience, D side of the ball and friend of Mark Coyle. If I knew this two weeks ago, i'd say stick with Scott Shafer. The definition of insanity guys.

 

[Pat Kelly]

I say "Meat!" You say "Head!" Meat! Head! Meat! Head!

Fat guys with mustaches are gonna loooooove this guy!

 

[orange79]

Having never coached farther East than OSU, Ash's ability to recruit the Northeast is a logical question. A quick check of his commits on No links to . . . allowed on this site.comindicates as much. His defensive background could also rub the fanbase the wrong way given the lack of success recent similarly minded coaches have had at SU.

Well, to be fair, he won't be the only coach recruiting.

I'm more concerned about another defensive coordinator (or, ahem, defensive CO-coordinator). If he is indeed the choice, we will have a much better picture of what to look forward to once he announces his coaching staff (recruiting experience, offensive philosophy, etc.).

 

[MikeSU02]

Ash was hired for his recruiting acumen. He is known as a great recruiter.

Thanks CIL.

This would be a tremendously disappointing hire for me.

I'm very worried about someone taking this job without previous HC experience just from a leadership and vision standpoint.

I also am worried that we are just throwing away our advantage of a known and controlled environment for half of our games.

I'll support the team/coach, but this would be very uninspiring.

 

[jekelish]

Having never coached farther East than OSU, Ash's ability to recruit the Northeast is a logical question. A quick check of his commits on No links to . . . allowed on this site.comindicates as much. His defensive background could also rub the fanbase the wrong way given the lack of success recent similarly minded coaches have had at SU.

You were all in on Frost, but now you're on Ash's case for never coaching east of Ohio? Really?

 

[AAM62]

how are you guys so sure they're friends? because of the drake connection?

seems light and a rushed judgement to me

 

[Timonen]

Every time I hear the term "co-cordinator" I think of an orchestra with two conductors. What the heck does it mean?

I think it's a creative way to pay them more and further their careers faster, which makes it more compelling vs options other places. Just my guess

 

[AAM62]

You were all in on Frost, but now you're on Ash's case for never coaching east of Ohio? Really?

Jek, you know how the average poster is #onhere. Its mind boggling...

 

[orangenirvana]

Ash was hired for his recruiting acumen. He is known as a great recruiter.

I'm still trying to find the evidence to support that.

 

[phil77]

You were all in on Frost, but now you're on Ash's case for never coaching east of Ohio? Really?

I just cut and pasted from the article. Those aren't my own words. Those are major concerns that others posted in the Frost thread. Don't see them much in this thread

 

[Cuse5]

Kind of struggling with why it's only possible to have a dynamic offense if your HC brings it. He's perfectly capable of hiring an OC to bring that type of offense into the dome if that's the directive he's given.

so if Ash is hired who gets fired first, Shafer from his next position or coyle. I say coyle and is not close.

 

[jekelish]

how are you guys so sure they're friends? because of the drake connection?

seems light and a rushed judgement to me

Agreed. Coyle graduated in '91, and got his masters in '92. That means spring of '92. Ash's first year at Drake was the '92-'93 academic year.

They didn't overlap.

 

[Jack_Ball]

Doesn't make any sense to hire a DC when we just fired our HC who was a DC? How about we try something different? I don't care if we have to wait until the weekend? It makes more sense to wait a few days then make a bad hire just to get someone in here

 

[AAM62]

Agreed. Coyle graduated in '91, and got his masters in '92. That means spring of '92. Ash's first year at Drake was the '92-'93 academic year.

They didn't overlap.

Oh look, someone did research. Is this the twilight zone?

 

[AAM62]

Doesn't make any sense to hire a DC when we just fired our HC who was a DC? How about we try something different? I don't care if we have to wait until the weekend? It makes more sense to wait a few days then make a bad hire just to get someone in here

No, you go for the best option available. Especially in this market.

 

[Pyle]

I know people are clamoring for an offensive guy. I just want to throw out that Saban was a defensive coach. Feel free to discuss.

Also so was Bob Stoops and Mark Dantonio. So out of the top 5 teams on ESPN right now, 3 of the HCs were defensive guys, one was an OL coach(Ferentz) with no OC coordinator experience, and then you have Dabo who was indeed an offensive guy. 3/5 are defensive coaches.

 

[JeremyCuse]

so if Ash is hired who gets fired first, Shafer from his next position or coyle. I say coyle and is not close.

Coyle isn't going to get fired if the next HC is a failure. If Gross didn't get the Ax for Grob trust me Coyle isn't going to either. People need to stop with this being Coyle's only shot stuff.

 

[retro44]

You know Rutgers has got to be sniffing around this guy and if I was Urban I would push him towards Syracuse. I think Urban would rather recruit against Syracuse than against Rutgers for top N.J. TALENT who "might" want to stay home and play for Ash.

 

[Crusty]

I know people are clamoring for an offensive guy. I just want to throw out that Saban was a defensive coach. Feel free to discuss.

Learned under BB as did a lot of successful coaches. Saban is not a good example but the exception that proves the rule.

 

[TheCusian]

Coyle isn't going to get fired if the next HC is a failure. If Gross didn't get the Ax for Grob trust me Coyle isn't going to either. People need to stop with this being Coyle's only shot stuff.

If he disappoints the fan base enough initially and then things stay the same - he made his job 100 x harder.

 

[Cuse5]

No, you go for the best option available. Especially in this market.

yea I was definitely being dramatic. Shows how much I would dislike this hire.

 

[Crusty]

Coyle isn't going to get fired if the next HC is a failure. If Gross didn't get the Ax for Grob trust me Coyle isn't going to either. People need to stop with this being Coyle's only shot stuff.

He won't get fired but his star will be tarnished.

 

[Pyle]

Learned under BB as did a lot of successful coaches. Saban is not a good example but the exception that proves the rule.

Stoops then?

Dantonio?

 

[JeremyCuse]

If he disappoints the fan base enough initially and then things stay the same - he made his job 100 x harder.

Of course but if he gets the next hire right suddenly hes a genius. Plus with lax and bball being perpetually strong he will have something to hang his hat on, its not like hes the AD at a school where they only have 1 major Div 1 program ie a Hopkins or Providence and all eyes are on that program only.