Chris Ash thread...

[Crusty]

Stoops then?

Dantonio?

There are a lot of successful HC that were DCs. Nobody has said there aren't. But there are as many that were OCs. We tried the DC without HC experience and it is time to try something different in the dome. It is simply a preference of many including our AD who seems to be changing his mind. BTW, the list of candidates was originally though to be heavy with offensive minded coaches - did they all turn us down?

 

[rrlbees]

Agreed. Coyle graduated in '91, and got his masters in '92. That means spring of '92. Ash's first year at Drake was the '92-'93 academic year. They didn't overlap.

Hey, didn't I say that and you disagreed with me? Or was it someone else?

 

[MSOrange]

Ash would not excite me in the least bit. But if it comes to pass, I'll keep my mouth shut unless I have a reason to complain when the season starts. Gary Patterson has a defensive background and he realized the changing landscape in college football and look at TCU now. Hey it's something to hope for I guess.

 

[Millhouse]

You were all in on Frost, but now you're on Ash's case for never coaching east of Ohio? Really?

ash doesn't bring an amazing offense with him so he gets more scrutiny on recruiting. if we're going to get a DC, we better be sure he's an amazing recruiter. and even then we should say no thanks

 

[jekelish]

Hey, didn't I say that and you disagreed with me? Or was it someone else?

No, it wasn't me. I thought they might have overlapped one year, is all. Realized Coyle would have graduated with his masters in the spring before Ash ever got there.

 

[TheCusian]

Of course but if he gets the next hire right suddenly hes a genius. Plus with lax and bball being perpetually strong he will have something to hang his hat on, its not like hes the AD at a school where they only have 1 major Div 1 program ie a Hopkins or Providence and all eyes are on that program only.

If he wants to rebuild football and get buts in seats, he's got to go offensive background coach. Being content with basketball/lax is fine. But that's the kind of attitude that gets us more of the same.

 

[MikeSU02]

Coyle isn't going to get fired if the next HC is a failure. If Gross didn't get the Ax for Grob trust me Coyle isn't going to either. People need to stop with this being Coyle's only shot stuff.

I agree with you, but the situations are not apples to apples.

While P wasn't getting the job done (and I don't mean to pin it all on him, there were clearly many other issues), we had a sustained history of success. There was bandwidth to swing and miss.

While I appreciate what Marrone did (and Shafer), we aren't in the same place. The kids we are going to be recruiting were barely walking when Freeney and co were here.

There is a lot more risk with this hire. You bring in someone else that doesn't perform, we are in a real trouble. The other ACC teams aren't sitting idle and we have to make real strides to get back to where we want to be.

Coyle needs to nail this. You can't lose a full generation of fans/potential fans because of terrible to mediocre and not entertaining football.

 

[SUFan44]

No, it wasn't me. I thought they might have overlapped one year, is all. Realized Coyle would have graduated with his masters in the spring before Ash ever got there.

You did disagree. Or had a word.

 

[OburgCuse]

Is it hard to be a good recruiter at Ohio State?

OSU obviously makes it easier to recruit...but Urban doesn't employ assistants who aren't strong recruiters

 

[jekelish]

You did disagree. Or had a word.

No, I said I thought they overlapped one year. That's all.

 

[Pyle]

ash doesn't bring an amazing offense with him so he gets more scrutiny on recruiting. if we're going to get a DC, we better be sure he's an amazing recruiter. and even then we should say no thanks

Why do you say this? Pasqualoni was great with Rogers and blew with Deleone. The HC is the top executive, not the vice president of finance. Whoever the HC is, offensive or defensive, his success will be linked to his hires and our offense will be run by a guy we aren't trying to hire this week.

 

[jgeorge322]

You did disagree. Or had a word.

couldnt one make a compelling argument that the fact they went to school together (although it appears they did not) or have history that goes way back be a reason coyle would NOT hire him? if i am taking a risk on a coach, and it fails, i dont people coming back and blaming me for hiring my buddy. to me, the better spin on this situation is coyle may be hesitant to hire ash due to their history.

 

[Finwad32]

ash doesn't bring an amazing offense with him so he gets more scrutiny on recruiting. if we're going to get a DC, we better be sure he's an amazing recruiter. and even then we should say no thanks

The question is who does Ash bring to run whatever Offense he envisions?

 

[JeremyCuse]

If he wants to rebuild football and get buts in seats, he's got to go offensive background coach. Being content with basketball/lax is fine. But that's the kind of attitude that gets us more of the same.

He could hire Chip Kelly and the Dome wouldnt be sold out next Aug/Sept for the opener against Colgate.

 

[TheCusian]

He could hire Chip Kelly and the Dome wouldnt be sold out next Aug/Sept for the opener against Colgate.

Disagree.

 

[Pyle]

The question is who does Ash bring to run whatever Offense he envisions?

Bingo. You don't know if Ash or anyone else is going to hire the next Chip Kelly or Brian Pariani.

 

[SUFan44]

No, I said I thought they overlapped one year. That's all.

Okey doke.

 

[Cuse5]

Why do you say this? Pasqualoni was great with Rogers and blew with Deleone. The HC is the top executive, not the vice president of finance. Whoever the HC is, offensive or defensive, his success will be linked to his hires and our offense will be run by a guy we aren't trying to hire this week.

Right which will most likely be some position coach that has never been an OC before. Same old same old.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Disagree.

Trust me, I have been going to games long enough and lived in Syracuse long enough to know where the program is at with the casual or honestly the uneducated fan. Its not even on the radar.

 

[Alsacs]

I refuse to believe Coyle is stupid enough to hire Chris Ash as HC. If he does honestly we deserve to suck.

 

[TheCusian]

Right which will most likely be some position coach that has never been an OC before. Same old same old.

B1G RB or TE coach. Believes passing is stupid.

 

[Scooch]

I'm the furthest thing from a recruiting expert, so someone is going to need to explain to me how impressed I should be about a guy being considered a great recruiter when his job is largely to get Ohio kids to play at Ohio State for Urban Meyer?

 

[Millhouse]

Bingo. You don't know if Ash or anyone else is going to hire the next Chip Kelly or Brian Pariani.

the odds of having a great offense are lower when you spend so much of that money on a defensive coach.

we should hire a head coach accordingly rather than just hoping for the best.

fix the offense. focus the money on offense. get by on defense and hope for the best

 

[Cusefan0307]

Of course but if he gets the next hire right suddenly hes a genius. Plus with lax and bball being perpetually strong he will have something to hang his hat on, its not like hes the AD at a school where they only have 1 major Div 1 program ie a Hopkins or Providence and all eyes are on that program only.

If attendance gets worse or stays the same hes gone. Totally different landscape than 10 years ago. I'm all for supporting the program, but if it's more conservative football with no upside, i don't know if I want to re-new my season tickets to watch 4 hours of punts. I can do that watching the Bills on TV on Sundays.

 

[Alsacs]

Orgeron should be the lowest we go. Ash is significantly below Orgeron for me.

I don't want Eddie O but sign me up for him over Ash.