Clear-thinking assessment: Pitt is #1 in ACC

[runningorange]

funny random fact about Pitt: as much as they have had our number recently, Notre Dame has had their number. I think they have lost 5 straight to Mike Brey's squad.

2013 @Pitt: L 51 - 42 (blew a huge early lead of 19-3)
2012 @ND: L 72-59 (Pitt was terrible this year)
2011 @Pitt: L 56-51
2010: @ND: L 68-53
2010 @BET: L 50-45
2009 @Pitt: W 93-80 (ND was terrible this year)

What I notice from this is at around the time Notre Dame started milking the shot clock and significantly shortening the game (2010), they gave Pitt all kinds of problems.

 

[jordoo]

If Pitt should have won they WOULD have been able to do more on offense other than 28' bombs and crashing the glass. Even with all thiose offensive rebounds we held them to shooting in the low 30's while we shot over 50%. If Pitt should have won they SHOULD not have let our PG drive to the basket for two layups in a row.

 

[Orangezoo]

funny random fact about Pitt: as much as they have had our number recently, Notre Dame has had their number. I think they have lost 5 straight to Mike Brey's squad.

2013 @Pitt: L 51 - 42 (blew a huge early lead of 19-3)
2012 @ND: L 72-59 (Pitt was terrible this year)
2011 @Pitt: L 56-51
2010: @ND: L 68-53
2010 @BET: L 50-45
2009 @Pitt: W 93-80 (ND was terrible this year)

What I notice from this is at around the time Notre Dame started milking the shot clock and significantly shortening the game (2010), they gave Pitt all kinds of problems.

In similar fashion we have a huge streak on wvu I believe as well. Others too but as for former big east contenders we owned them.

 

[thebigeast44]

funny random fact about Pitt: as much as they have had our number recently, Notre Dame has had their number. I think they have lost 5 straight to Mike Brey's squad.

2013 @Pitt: L 51 - 42 (blew a huge early lead of 19-3)
2012 @ND: L 72-59 (Pitt was terrible this year)
2011 @Pitt: L 56-51
2010: @ND: L 68-53
2010 @BET: L 50-45
2009 @Pitt: W 93-80 (ND was terrible this year)

What I notice from this is at around the time Notre Dame started milking the shot clock and significantly shortening the game (2010), they gave Pitt all kinds of problems.

Recently, we've had Pitt's number winning 3 of 4

 

[Bornorange]

Ron is not even considered a writer here in Pittsburgh. He won a local award, just beating out Mr. Rodgers, for the most
soporific ahole in town.
I have never seen him write one thing about Syracuse that was not denigrating.

 

[ClamOtto]

I love the fact that we hate them even more AFTER we beat them. Now that's a rival.

 

[chlywtr]

The auto-bid to the NCAAs is the tourney champ. But like all other conferences, the ACC recognizes both a regular season champ as well as its tourney champ.

Cheers,
Neil

this is taken from the ACC Tournamnet Wikipedia page (i know wikipedia is hardly a peer reviewed source)

"Unlike most college basketball tournaments, the ACC Tournament acts as the only championship for the ACC, rather than an addition to the regular season title. The ACC elected to eliminate the regular season title following the 1961 season and declare the tournament champion the sole champion of the conference from then on."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...all_tournament_champions#Tournament_Champions

 

[SoBeCuse]

Robinson leads the nation in assist to turnover ratio - I'd say he belongs and IMHO is the most important player on their team as Ennis is on ours.

Really? At 4:1? He's definitely important no question. They would've been done had Dixon waited to get him back in there. ESPN says he had 1 TO in our game. I thought he had more.

 

[jncuse]

this is taken from the ACC Tournamnet Wikipedia page (i know wikipedia is hardly a peer reviewed source)

"Unlike most college basketball tournaments, the ACC Tournament acts as the only championship for the ACC, rather than an addition to the regular season title. The ACC elected to eliminate the regular season title following the 1961 season and declare the tournament champion the sole champion of the conference from then on."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Atlantic_Coast_Conference_men's_basketball_tournament_champions#Tournament_Champions

Interesting info that I did not know. I am sure media and fanbases still see teams as regular season camps, but your not getting a banner.

 

[bnoro]

Really hope we have King Karl down at Peterson as we all know he loves to take the home crowd out of it.

 

[CaptainJ]

I like playing Devil's advocate when things are this unbalanced, so I ask that you bear with me a moment. If the shoe were on the other foot and we had missed a lot of bunnies and shot horrible from the line(as opposed to rebounding poorly, something that isn't that rare for our zone), I again say that I'd have no problem with Jeff Broheim thinking that we should have won a close game. What are we, the PC Police who determine what words and feelings can be expressed?

Now that some writer is doing his job and making things interesting for his fanbase instead of going with the easier pick of the frontrunner, should(lol) we again lambaste the coach, team, and their entire fanbase based on one guy's assessment? I remember in high school my AP American History teacher told us we could take any position we want in our essays, as long as we included support for it. I think the remaining schedule alone accomplishes his goal of at least making it feasible, and that should be enough to prevent the fellow from being reamed out, at least when looked at without bias.

Speaking of bias, we also need to remember who his target audience is. It doesn't hurt that his team, like Duke, has recently destroyed an opponent. It wouldn't hurt our cause if we could manage to do the same sometime, that is if you care about opinions, which many here obviously do. I certainly think his article has more merit than the couple of Axeman pieces I've had the "pleasure" of reading. Is there a comments section where these concerns can be discussed with the author? I think this scheduling lull is going to contribute to the bitterness on here, being we have to do the talking for awhile instead of our team. I "can't hardly wait" until that changes!

 

[Dave85]

UK 27-0
* Those other 4 don't count

 

[omniorange]

this is taken from the ACC Tournamnet Wikipedia page (i know wikipedia is hardly a peer reviewed source)

"Unlike most college basketball tournaments, the ACC Tournament acts as the only championship for the ACC, rather than an addition to the regular season title. The ACC elected to eliminate the regular season title following the 1961 season and declare the tournament champion the sole champion of the conference from then on."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Atlantic_Coast_Conference_men's_basketball_tournament_champions#Tournament_Champions

Thanks. It's interesting that the individual team pages on Wiki, cite regular season championships despite the above. Guess they are "informal".

Cheers,
Neil

 

[chlywtr]

Thanks. It's interesting that the individual team pages on Wiki, cite regular season championships despite the above. Guess they are "informal".

Cheers,
Neil

It must be like Mack Brown handing out Big XII South championship rings to his players

 

[cusetown1]

UK 27-0
* Those other 4 don't count

This shirt lasted a whole 2 weeks.

 

[Pitt_Fan_ACC]

I did not ready any posts in this thread but Ron Cook is a fool. If Pitt loses a trap game to Maryland and then loses to Duke/UVA or Cuse and Cook will come out with an article taking shots at the program. I would not listen to a word that he says.

 

[Cuse315Pat]

I also agree that Pitt's schedule is much more favorable than ours. Fortunately, we can end their hopes on our trip to the Peterson Events Center.

We're gonna turn that place into the new Pittsburgh Petting Zoo.

 

[stew2310]

I live in the Pittsburgh Area...Ron Cook is an idiot, and I don't say that b/c of this statement he put out but b/c of everything he writes or talks about on morning radio.

 

[Cowtown]

That entire city must have an inferiority complex because Dixon can't make a Final Four.

Circle our game @ Pitt, ladies and gents. It is going to be a downright fist fight. Look for Dixon's patented moving screens to be on full display, the refs will be, almost assuredly, blind, and Dixon will be running around complaining about the no calls on ticky tack stuff...all the while our boys will have bloodied lips from the no calls on the elbows and forearms.

I hope we blast them by ten twenty-five down there.

There, fixed it

 

[Cowtown]

These are the same people who drank Ironcity beer. :crazy:

 

[Cowtown]

this is taken from the ACC Tournamnet Wikipedia page (i know wikipedia is hardly a peer reviewed source)

"Unlike most college basketball tournaments, the ACC Tournament acts as the only championship for the ACC, rather than an addition to the regular season title. The ACC elected to eliminate the regular season title following the 1961 season and declare the tournament champion the sole champion of the conference from then on."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Atlantic_Coast_Conference_men's_basketball_tournament_champions#Tournament_Champions

I seem to recall back in the early 70's a long-running great hue and cry about this fact. Seems many ACC proponents felt finishing first in the ACC regular schedule warranted the auto-bid, which was instead awarded to their tourney winner. They referred thus to the ACC as the most "Asinine Conference in the Country." Seems they felt the physical duress of playing their tournament mitigated the chances of their "champ" to win the NCAA's? I guess it all depends on whose ox is gored, to coin a phrase.

 

[Garbs]

Ignores the fact that Pitt were about to get their doors blown off before Patterson went Peja Stojakovic on us for about 3 minutes.

all that matters is that they are angry and think they should have won, therefore they are the best

 

[bballbeadle]

If the queen had balls, she'd be the king. But she doesn't.

There, RF! You summed up the logic beautifully. I could add, "and if she were the king, she would have won that battle. But she has no balls, so she didn't win battle, but if she had balls . . . . " Etc.

I've been at work all day and so came home to read all these fun posts. And I did become aware that yes, this is the work of one writer whom some claim is an idiot, and doesn't necessarily represent the quality of thinking of most of the Pitt fans. I was stunned by the distorted, twisted logic and - I admit it! - it got my goat!

Pitt is a good team this year. So are we. There. That was simple.

I am packing tonight to go to Florida - woooo! But not to the Miami game - booooo! I'll be back on Monday, bright-eyed and bushy-tailed. And fish belly white.

 

[Knicks411]

I seem to recall back in the early 70's a long-running great hue and cry about this fact. Seems many ACC proponents felt finishing first in the ACC regular schedule warranted the auto-bid, which was instead awarded to their tourney winner. They referred thus to the ACC as the most "Asinine Conference in the Country." Seems they felt the physical duress of playing their tournament mitigated the chances of their "champ" to win the NCAA's? I guess it all depends on whose ox is gored, to coin a phrase.

Probably also since only one team could get in, they figured the team that won the regular season would usually do better than the tourny champ.

It's interesting for smaller conferences now. The conf tourneys get you exposure, but if you are a smaller conference, your best way to get more exposure is to have your team win a game or 2 in March. And the regular season champ is usually the better bet. (not always, of course). There are some concessions to this by giving the reg season champ homecourt in the tournaments, but it's an interesting debate i think

 

[OrangeSky]

I like playing Devil's advocate when things are this unbalanced, so I ask that you bear with me a moment. If the shoe were on the other foot and we had missed a lot of bunnies and shot horrible from the line(as opposed to rebounding poorly, something that isn't that rare for our zone), I again say that I'd have no problem with Jeff Broheim thinking that we should have won a close game. What are we, the PC Police who determine what words and feelings can be expressed?

Now that some writer is doing his job and making things interesting for his fanbase instead of going with the easier pick of the frontrunner, should(lol) we again lambaste the coach, team, and their entire fanbase based on one guy's assessment? I remember in high school my AP American History teacher told us we could take any position we want in our essays, as long as we included support for it. I think the remaining schedule alone accomplishes his goal of at least making it feasible, and that should be enough to prevent the fellow from being reamed out, at least when looked at without bias.

Speaking of bias, we also need to remember who his target audience is. It doesn't hurt that his team, like Duke, has recently destroyed an opponent. It wouldn't hurt our cause if we could manage to do the same sometime, that is if you care about opinions, which many here obviously do. I certainly think his article has more merit than the couple of Axeman pieces I've had the "pleasure" of reading. Is there a comments section where these concerns can be discussed with the author? I think this scheduling lull is going to contribute to the bitterness on here, being we have to do the talking for awhile instead of our team. I "can't hardly wait" until that changes!

It's one thing to use that argument to predict you might win the ACC. It's completely inappropriate to try and make the argument " It's not a stretch to suggest it should be in first place now instead of Syracuse."

That is solely and factually determined by the W&L records. To claim otherwise is BS.