Clemson Postgame

[Fly Rodder]

 

[DilemaCuse]

Through 51 games Red is 29-22 .568 winning percentage

For last years 19/20 win season it was with 12 losses for a .612% or .625%

As of today it is still higher than JB's last 2 years.

Can you imagine if the ND comeback doesn't happen? It would be a 3 game losing streak with possibly more on the way. Red will get some mileage out of that one, lol.

 

[phil77]

Through 51 games Red is 29-22 .568 winning percentage

For last years 19/20 win season it was with 12 losses for a .612% or .625%

As of today it is still higher than JB's last 2 years.

Can you imagine if the ND comeback doesn't happen? It would be a 3 game losing streak with possibly more on the way. Red will get some mileage out of that one, lol.

Just a quick glance over the last two years he is 18-21 against what I would call our peer schools P4 type schools plus G-Town. 15-11 his first year with JBs leftover's "band of misfits" and currently 3-10 this year with "his team". That is quick math.

It also isn't the losses necessarily it is that in most of these, we are getting blown out. We are uncompetitive and look completely lost on the basketball court. Our players look like they have never played organized basketball before, especially on defense. Some if not most of these losses are flat-out embarrassing. That doesn't even bring in the effort or lack there of from these players.

 

[DilemaCuse]

Just a quick glance over the last two years he is 18-21 against what I would call our peer schools P4 type schools plus G-Town. 15-11 his first year with JBs leftover's "band of misfits" and currently 3-10 this year with "his team". That is quick math.

It also isn't the losses necessarily it is that in most of these, we are getting blown out. We are uncompetitive and look completely lost on the basketball court. Our players look like they have never played organized basketball before. Some if not most of these losses are flat-out embarrassing. That doesn't even bring in the effort or lack there of from these players.

Yes, love the deeper analysis against peer schools and more importantly, how does it look?

And were gonna see how bad it looks the rest of the way

 

[Fly Rodder]

is it possible they’ll have an entirely new roster next season?

It's exceedingly likely. I think the only players that are kind of locks to stick around are JJ, Cuffe, and Petar. Moore is gotta be 50/50 or less to return - frankly, he's not that good and with JJ as the SG and Kiyan coming in, where is Moore getting minutes?

Even with an experienced coach, that's gonna be a tough team to win with if we're hanging our hopes and dreams on two highly touted, but incomplete frosh and whatever they can dredge up from the portal. Especially when our NIL budget is dead last in the country and only can be augmented with whatever copper they strip from the Melo Center.

 

[Dinkyspond]

Gave it a laugh for starting the post game thread well before the game's over.

could have started the postgame thread at halftime, the game was over then.

 

[Dinkyspond]

Shoot 53.8% from the field, 52.4% from 3-point land (making 11 3s), 83.3% from the FT line, and get blown out. Someone has to explain to me why Majstorovic gets so much playing time. No points. 1 shot. 3 rebounds. No assists. Any speculation on when Freeman will be back?

Next season and optimistically hoping in a Syracuse uniform.

 

[007]

So we waste 3 seasons to hire the best candidate we can get or afford, because friendships are more important? winning strategy

Friendships have nothing to do with this.

My perhaps misguided understanding is that Red was hired primarily as a confluence of JBs “retirement,” along with JBs 45+ years of equity and influence with high level decision makers and a certain section of major donors. To be fair, there was also belief in Reds ability and vision. Whether the risk associated that belief was underestimated is a different debate. Point is the hire was as much, or most probably, more about political pressure and $$$.

There are also credible whispers that Red has a 5 year contract. Given the revenue pressures the university is presumed to be operating under, I think it is unlikely the they will be willing (able?) to pay his buyout on top of paying the going rate for a proven HC and HIS buyout. Available university resources will go to the football program. ROI

Of course there are costs for operating this way. Maybe they think they can mitigate some of that with assistant staff changes? IDK. But short of an Angel donor(s) stepping in…

 

[Millhouse]

Bush league by Moore at the end.

I didn't make it to the end
We play a very stupid brand of basketball

 

[Dinkyspond]

Taylor killing it with her outfit tonight.

couldn't watch game. DVR. What is this referring to and what point in game can I fast forward to find it.TY.

 

[Sbucketball]

I went to brush my teeth and missed the last minute. Guess I shouldn't have. Didn't Fab Melo and James Southerland do something similar with scoring in the last second back in the day and cause a big commotion on the board, albeit in games we were winning?

JB flipped for that, but they were zipped up wins.

For the sake of argument, the NET system kinda invites what Moore did since your ranking is essentially all about margin (not that NET matters for Syracuse this year, but I'm just pointing it out).

 

[DilemaCuse]

Friendships have nothing to do with this.

My perhaps misguided understanding is that Red was hired primarily as a confluence of JBs “retirement,” along with JBs 45+ years of equity and influence with high level decision makers and a certain section of major donors. To be fair, there was also belief in Reds ability and vision. Whether the risk associated that belief was underestimated is a different debate. Point is the hire was as much, or most probably, more about political pressure and $$$.

There are also credible whispers that Red has a 5 year contract. Given the revenue pressures the university is presumed to be operating under, I think it is unlikely the they will be willing (able?) to pay his buyout on top of paying the going rate for a proven HC and HIS buyout. Available university resources will go to the football program. ROI

Of course there are costs for operating this way. Maybe they think they can mitigate some of that with assistant staff changes? IDK. But short of an Angel donor(s) stepping in…

Totally agree with your post however nowhere is it mentioned a commitment to go out and get the best coach and have a serious commitment to winning, thats what bothers folks on here.

5 years and a buyout, which if SU was smart the buyout to fire based on performance would be less than the actual salary owed for those seasons, it should be minimal. Because buyouts work both ways, if Red did well, where was he going??? to replace Davis at UNC? the NBA? the buyout should have been for a minimal amount, if they were smart. He was not an up and comer who could be looking to move on.

 

[jdubs30]

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And DePaul is year 1 under Holtmann after going 3-29 and finishing at KenPom #304 last year

 

[Dinkyspond]

JJ pulled a Chris Bell tonight that was funny to see

what do you.mean?

 

[MikeSU02]

If Red is gone, Straughn and Kline are gone too.

A new broom sweeps clean.

Why?

That makes no sense. If Straughn is the new GM / POBO type, let him hire his own HC. If he thinks Straughn is key, keep him on board.

We need to get out of this outdated thinking. If Kline is good, keep him and he hires his own guy. If he isn't, he's gone too.

Part of Kline's job should absolutely be to have a list of HCs he has in mind if Red doesn't work out.

 

[jdubs30]

Totally agree with your post however nowhere is it mentioned a commitment to go out and get the best coach and have a serious commitment to winning.

5 years and a buyout, which if SU was smart the buyout to fire based on performance would be less than the actual salary owed for those seasons. Because, if Red did well, where was he going??? to replace Davis at UNC? the NBA? the buyout should have been for a minimal amount, if they were smart. He was not an up and comer who could be looking to move on.

If Red was successful he wasn’t gonna leave here anyway. It does offer him some protection but I can’t imagine it was a big number …

 

[Cusefan0307]

JW should put Kline as head of the basketball program. That is the move.

 

[Fly Rodder]

For the sake of argument, the NET system kinda invites what Moore did since your ranking is essentially all about margin (not that NET matters for Syracuse this year, but I'm just pointing it out).

NET is not all about margin. And no, teams don't do that.

 

[Cuse4403]

Red's not going anywhere, he'll get at least a year with White and Anthony and nothing short of going winless the rest of the season will likely change that.

This is why the anger is progressing to new levels. In the not too distant past we were one of the most prestigious basketball programs in the country. We are now a joke and an after thought. Our performances are increasingly awful and we are being told we are set to hold onto a coach that has lost 15 times by double digits and seven times by 20+ points in 51 games. Autry has lost almost 30% of the time by double digits. I honestly don't think people are mad enough.

 

[atlanticuse]

oh well. There are at 149 teams better than Syracuse (according to the net) that don't have these guys, they seem to figure it out.

"If we can lose with you, we can lose without you."
Clearly there are strong powers on this board who disagree with my assessment of Straughn and Kline.

but unfortunately in 'real life', I'm going to share my ire when I have my physical in-person sit down on my endowment next month.

 

[MSOrange]

Why?

That makes no sense. If Straughn is the new GM / POBO type, let him hire his own HC. If he thinks Straughn is key, keep him on board.

We need to get out of this outdated thinking. If Kline is good, keep him and he hires his own guy. If he isn't, he's gone too.

Part of Kline's job should absolutely be to have a list of HCs he has in mind if Red doesn't work out.

As far as I know, most college models aren't like the pro model where the GM hires/fires the coach. That's still the AD.

 

[NKR1978]

And DePaul is year 1 under Holtmann after going 3-29 and finishing at KenPom #304 last year

Holtmann is a great hire for them.

 

[MikeSU02]

As far as I know, most college models aren't like the pro model where the GM hires/fires the coach. That's still the AD.

Everything was done one way until it wasn't. Just saying.

 

[MSOrange]

Everything was done one way until it wasn't. Just saying.

True. I probably would have more confidence in Kline's judgment than ADJW but I was just trying to clarify the current reporting structure as I understand it.

 

[MikeSU02]

True. I probably would have more confidence in Kline's judgment than ADJW but I was just trying to clarify the current reporting structure as I understand it.

Oh, totally fair. I get ya.