Clemson Postgame

[orangecuse]

But what about how great Red did getting 20 wins with a cast of outfits last year???

Come on guys. For those who threw that in the face of those who were a bit skeptical with Red, what do you say now exactly?

Talk about a narrative that just grew on this board out of peoples a---

20 wins nowadays is comparable to an NFL running back hitting the 1000 yard mark in a 17 game season, nowhere near the feat it once was. Moreover, which many here ignore, one of those 20 wins last season came against an inferior D2 opponent...but yea!

 

[cuseincincy]

Why?

That makes no sense. If Straughn is the new GM / POBO type, let him hire his own HC. If he thinks Straughn is key, keep him on board.

We need to get out of this outdated thinking. If Kline is good, keep him and he hires his own guy. If he isn't, he's gone too.

Part of Kline's job should absolutely be to have a list of HCs he has in mind if Red doesn't work out.

I don't think you understand the role of a general manager in college sports. They are hired by and work for the head coach. They are at a level below the Director of Basketball Operations and all Assistant Coaches. They are honestly a glorified Recruiting Coordinator tasked with figuring out the NIL landscape. Very different than a professional sport general manager.

 

[Sbucketball]

NET is not all about margin. And no, teams don't do that.

I mean I understand the official NCAA position is NET doesn't use margin, but isn't the efficiency measurement the difference of points for v points against? Maybe I'm wrong, but I think of that as basically being margin. Hasn't the talk been the last couple years that the Big 12 had good NET because they blew out bad teams, and Syracuse's NET last year was awful in the non-con because we didn't blow teams out, and we got blown out by good teams? It factors in other things of course too, but seems to me margin has a big effect.

 

[MikeSU02]

I don't think you understand the role of a general manager in college sports. They are hired by and work for the head coach. They are at a level below the Director of Basketball Operations and all Assistant Coaches. They are honestly a glorified Recruiting Coordinator tasked with figuring out the NIL landscape. Very different than a professional sport general manager.

You think Alex Kline stopped working for the Knicks to just do the bidding for a dead man walking head coach (whether its this year or next)?

You think that that paradigm can't shift?

Again, just because something was done one way, doesn't mean it has to stay that way.

You think a guy with Kline's kind of drive is cool just being an errand boy?

I don't. And if he is, get rid of him, too.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I don't think you understand the role of a general manager in college sports. They are hired by and work for the head coach. They are at a level below the Director of Basketball Operations and all Assistant Coaches. They are honestly a glorified Recruiting Coordinator tasked with figuring out the NIL landscape. Very different than a professional sport general manager.

For now. Check out what Stanford is doing with Andrew Luck. I also trust Klines basketball acumen better than anyone else in the AD.

 

[cuseincincy]

You think Alex Kline stopped working for the Knicks to just do the bidding for a dead man walking head coach (whether its this year or next)?

You think that that paradigm can't shift?

Again, just because something was done one way, doesn't mean it has to stay that way.

You think a guy with Kline's kind of drive is cool just being an errand boy?

I don't. And if he is, get rid of him, too.

Would he leave a scouts job in the NBA to take a newly developed position in an ACC program with potential for further growth? Absolutely. More money, more responsibility, more authority. You act like he moved from an Asst GM in the NBA, he didn't. A person with the responsibility you think the GM has is about 7 steps higher on the org chart.

 

[orangecuse]

I'm really glad to see my response had an impact on your thinking.

I imagine your post here is sarcasm. Otherwise, there's really not much to say relative to anyone who commences a conversation, post, etc. with "just an absolute clown post" and expect one to be influenced/persuaded by the author of such.

 

[Millhouse]

For now. Check out what Stanford is doing with Andrew Luck. I also trust Klines basketball acumen better than anyone else in the AD.

I don't know any of these people but I see no signs of anything resembling analytics watching the dumbest shots over and over and over

 

[Cusefan0307]

I don't know any of these people but I see no signs of anything resembling analytics watching the dumbest shots over and over and over

The guy I am referring to got here in August. I don’t disagree we don’t run any modern offense and we are stuck in the ISO stone ages.

 

[atlanticuse]

I don't think you understand the role of a general manager in college sports. They are hired by and work for the head coach. They are at a level below the Director of Basketball Operations and all Assistant Coaches. They are honestly a glorified Recruiting Coordinator tasked with figuring out the NIL landscape. Very different than a professional sport general manager.

But at Stanford, the whole football leadership (coaching) works for Andrew Luck, right?
(I know basketball - and even each school - is different)

Stanford Names Andrew Luck to Football General Manager Position

gostanford.com

and it's described here how Stanford made it different:

Andrew Luck as Stanford's GM? What it means for the Cardinal and college football

Stanford's legendary quarterback is returning to school as the Cardinal's GM. What does it mean for Luck, the team and the future of college football?

www.espn.com

 

[Fly Rodder]

I mean I understand the official NCAA position is NET doesn't use margin, but isn't the efficiency measurement the difference of points for v points against? Maybe I'm wrong, but I think of that as basically being margin. Hasn't the talk been the last couple years that the Big 12 had good NET because they blew out bad teams, and Syracuse's NET last year was awful in the non-con because we didn't blow teams out, and we got blown out by good teams? It factors in other things of course too, but seems to me margin has a big effect.

It can have an effect, but it's more about how teams perform against each other on a per possession basis relative to the league. Basically, if every opponent against Clemson loses by a couple of baskets, but those opponents blow out other teams, then it's probably that Clemson is a good team and would blow out their opponents' opponents. The biggest thing with NET is how teams relate to each other more than MOV. It normalizes a lot of noise that happens by playing the games. There are always those games where a team just has a good night or an awful one (like SU vs DePaul)

If MOV was so important, Clemson would have kept scoring to the bitter end - they didn't. Because a better ranking would mean more for them than Moore hucking up a three. Plus, in reality, it doesn't move that much game to game. The efficiency rankings move slower than game to game because they try to minimize the weird outlier games.

 

[DoctorBombay]

Louisville makes the move to bring in a PROVEN head coach and they immediately turned it around in one damn year to the point they’re ranked, second in the league and talking about what seed they’re going to get. Why the hell can’t Wildhack see all of this and make a damn move. My apathy has turned back into anger at the thought of putting up with this pathetic bs for another year when we have examples of places like Louisville and how quickly they fixed their program.

We shoulda hired Pitino as a transition HC- someone who'd re-lay the foundation JB built and THEN hand it off to someone else. He was tanned, rested, and ready till St Johns picked him up.
But of course, the amen choir in the fan base started cluck-clucking, catching vapors because such a vile character was beneath the stature of our beloved bball program & institution.
Yeah...right. JMHO

 

[DilemaCuse]

We shoulda hired Pitino as a transition HC- someone who'd re-lay the foundation JB built and THEN hand it off to someone else. He was tanned, rested, and ready till St Johns picked him up.
But of course, the amen choir in the fan base started cluck-clucking, catching vapors because such a vile character was beneath the stature of our beloved bball program & institution.
Yeah...right. JMHO

Well he wasnt tanned and rested, he was working at Iona but yes , there was an amen choir which I dont understand since SU is not a religious school but they try to project this stuffy wine and cheese, Ivy league, east coast elitist school which isnt doing them any favors.

 

[tbonezone]

Well he wasnt tanned and rested, he was working at Iona but yes , there was an amen choir which I dont understand since SU is not a religious school but they try to project this stuffy wine and cheese, Ivy league, east coast elitist school which isnt doing them any favors.

rick pitino was too old and too expensive IMo. but i do imagine he would have filled some seats here .
his brand does seem to be better suited to larger venues. a short term lease could have made sense.

 

[tbonezone]

so i guess "class" is something that those without it aren't classy enuf to realize they ain't got any .

 

[CuseFan]

... Someone has to explain to me why Majstorovic gets so much playing time. No points. 1 shot. 3 rebounds. No assists. A

I didn't see any of the game, but saw that stat line. Why 21 minutes for 0 points, 3 rebounds, 3 turnovers. Only 2 fouls for a change. He tries hard, but really is a non factor offensively and defensively. Why so much playing time is a really good question.

 

[CnyTarheel]

rick pitino was too old and too expensive IMo. but i do imagine he would have filled some seats here .
his brand does seem to be better suited to larger venues. a short term lease could have made sense.

He is old but he hasn't forgotten how to coach.. just watch St John's, their movement on offense and watch their d. If you don't hustle for pitino ur backside is on the bench the next dead ball same with missing a box out.. I'd love to see cuse play like pitino has the Johnnie's playing!!

 

[DilemaCuse]

rick pitino was too old and too expensive IMo. but i do imagine he would have filled some seats here .
his brand does seem to be better suited to larger venues. a short term lease could have made sense.

agreed, I think his success at SJU just rubs salt in the wound for SU's decision to go internal when they needed to go external.

Uconn was about to go on their first title run, SJU hires Pitino, Gtwon poached Cooley. Some old regional rivals were ascending and others made investments and upgrades, while SU blinked and thought playing it safe was best. BOT didnt take into consideration the landscape in CBB around them and thought we were still in 2012 and the assistant they promoted was in demand outside of SU (Red wasnt, unlike Hopkins, who was in demand). Through 51 games, I think it has backfired.