Coach K said no to Amaker

[Cusefan0307]

 

[dollarbill44]

Scheyer knows where the bags are hidden. Amaker was before recruiting went wild.

There's always money in the banana stand.

 

[Grbac]

That’s what I fear with hiring one of our current assistants. JB would still be in their ears and quasi running the program from a distance.
It wouldn’t be fair to any of them to have to coach like that. Getting JB’s approval for recruits and what system is being ran.
So when he retires he needs to retire. No picking your successor or running things from the stands.

 

[dollarbill44]

Makes me wonder if thinking he had the chance to get the Duke job, he turned down other offers to make sure he didn’t look bad. Easy to justify not winning ncaa games when you are coaching at Harvard.

Especially if the job offer is BC. There are certain jobs that might pay off bigger right away but that are dead end jobs.

 

[Bayside44]

No offense to him but how, when and where did he get those connections for such a pipeline? He played high school ball in Illinois, only graduated in 2010, was undrafted, went to training camp, played a year in D league, then played overseas a year in the Israeli league, a few summer leagues etc. By April 2013, he was on Duke’s staff replacing Capel. Where did he cultivate those connections - No prior coaching experience, AAU experience, no high school coaching contacts yet he’s been known as a recruiting guru in such a short time? He’s that charismatic? Well good for him. Interesting.

"Hello, I am the head recruiter for basketball at Duke."

Kinda like in that Tiger Woods documentary when Tiger asked Jordan what to say to all the women around them - just say you're Tiger Woods.

 

[Cheriehoop]

"Hello, I am the head recruiter for basketball at Duke."

Kinda like in that Tiger Woods documentary when Tiger asked Jordan what to say to all the women around them - just say you're Tiger Woods.

Agree, then it shouldn’t matter who the recruiting guru at Duke is, as long as that sentence ends with and “you’ll be playing for HOF Coach K”. Makes me wonder if anything changes, maybe over a few years when whomever the new recruiter is, says “Hello, I am the head recruiter for basketball at Duke and you’ll be playing for Jon Scheyer”.

 

[RF2044]

K is a dick -- everybody recognizes that. Great guy, but a first rate pri<k [as many successful, driven coaches are].

But IMO, the one who came off looking the poorest was Amaker. He's left the nest, had high profile positions, and had success. He's weathered the ups-and-downs, proven himself, and has shown that he can be a successful D1 head coach.

Plus, he's a grown a$$ man -- if he got talked out of taking the Duke position, that's on him. It's not like he's been tethered to Coach K, and has to do what he says -- he's been gone from being on the Duke staff for TWO DECADES. Assuming that the report that he was offered the job is correct, versus just being contacted about it.

If he WAS offered the job, and chose to allow his ostensible mentor talk him out of taking the job, then that's on him. He's a seasoned enough guy to make his own decisions.

 

[sufandu]

No offense to him but how, when and where did he get those connections for such a pipeline? He played high school ball in Illinois, only graduated in 2010, was undrafted, went to training camp, played a year in D league, then played overseas a year in the Israeli league, a few summer leagues etc. By April 2013, he was on Duke’s staff replacing Capel. Where did he cultivate those connections - No prior coaching experience, AAU experience, no high school coaching contacts yet he’s been known as a recruiting guru in such a short time? He’s that charismatic? Well good for him. Interesting.

Isn't that JB's resume? He was an assistant for about the same length of time when he got the HC job and started landing good recruits right away.

I would guess K helped establish some contacts and Sheyer just needed to take the baton. It'll be interesting to see how he does without K as a closer.

 

[two3zone]

And we wonder why JB wants Gmac in charge……

 

[orangefog]

K is a dick -- everybody recognizes that. Great guy, but a first rate pri<k [as many successful, driven coaches are].

But IMO, the one who came off looking the poorest was Amaker. He's left the nest, had high profile positions, and had success. He's weathered the ups-and-downs, proven himself, and has shown that he can be a successful D1 head coach.

Plus, he's a grown a$$ man -- if he got talked out of taking the Duke position, that's on him. It's not like he's been tethered to Coach K, and has to do what he says -- he's been gone from being on the Duke staff for TWO DECADES. Assuming that the report that he was offered the job is correct, versus just being contacted about it.

If he WAS offered the job, and chose to allow his ostensible mentor talk him out of taking the job, then that's on him. He's a seasoned enough guy to make his own decisions.

The whole things seems odd. It definitely seems like K wants Scheyer as head coach, because he understands how they have been recruiting lately. Look at next year's class. The three top recruits in the country according to one website, along with three other really good players all want to go play for Scheyer? Don't tell me "It's Duke", because yeah Duke has cache, but K was the guy.

 

[Cusefan0307]

The whole things seems odd. It definitely seems like K wants Scheyer as head coach, because he understands how they have been recruiting lately. Look at next year's class. The three top recruits in the country according to one website, along with three other really good players all want to go play for Scheyer? Don't tell me "It's Duke", because yeah Duke has cache, but K was the guy.

Exactly.

K didn’t even recruit this well until after Calipari showed up at Kentucky. Anyone who doesn’t think funny business went on there starting circa 2013 really hasn’t been paying attention. Before Jabari Parker they used with win with predominantly 4 year veteran players Like Singler, Scheyer, Battier, Redick etc….

And ESPN holds their hand.

 

[orangefog]

Exactly.

K didn’t even recruit this well until after Calipari showed up and Kentucky. Anyone who doesn’t think funny business went on there starting circa 2013 really hasn’t been paying attention. Before Jabari Parker they used with win with predominantly 4 year veteran players Like Singler, Scheyer, Battier, Redick etc….

Yes, they recruited well, but things definitely changed.

 

[Cheriehoop]

Isn't that JB's resume? He was an assistant for about the same length of time when he got the HC job and started landing good recruits right away.

I would guess K helped establish some contacts and Sheyer just needed to take the baton. It'll be interesting to see how he does without K as a closer.

Yes, he landed great recruits by hiring Rick Pitino ( who had experience as a college assistant), Bernie Fine (local high school coach) immediately . Then he hired Brendan Malone with his strong NYC ties and prior college assistant experience when Rick left after 2 years here to become the head coach at Boston U. Jim Boeheim didn’t retain former Tom Green, a former SU player and also an assistant under Roy Danforth. Actually Mike Hopkins was the first former player under Jim Boeheim to coach at SU in 1995-1996 season. Some other players had been grad assistants, or non assistant staff members. So it took 20 years for Boeheim to hire a former player as an assistant.

 

[sufandu]

Yes, he landed great recruits by hiring Rick Pitino ( who had experience as a college assistant), Bernie Fine (local high school coach) immediately . Then he hired Brendan Malone with his strong NYC ties and prior college assistant experience when Rick left after 2 years here to become the head coach at Boston U. Jim Boeheim didn’t retain former Tom Green, a former SU player and also an assistant under Roy Danforth. Actually Mike Hopkins was the first former player under Jim Boeheim to coach at SU in 1995-1996 season. Some other players had been grad assistants, or non assistant staff members. So it took 20 years for Boeheim to hire a former player as an assistant.

Sure. My point was that he was a young coach with no prior head coaching experience and a similar number of years of assistant experience as Sheyer. He made it work pretty well pretty quickly. The main difference is that Danforth was not the legend K is and SU was not yet the well known national power Duke is, so Sheyer has advantages JB never had. I'm not saying he'll be successful, just that he can't be dismissed simply because of his resume.

 

[rhcuse]

Hey, I like to shade on K as much as the next guy, but...isn’t it possible it was just his honest opinion that right now Scheyer is significantly more aligned with the players, coaches, recruiting, recruits, AD, university and fans than Amaker and would provide better continuity and near term program success?

And just maybe K honestly believes Amaker just doesn’t have the chops to lead a perennial blue blood Top 5 program for 10+ years. Part of mentoring is brutal honesty. Perhaps upon hearing this (if it happened) Tommy decided to accept his mentor’s perspective.

Who knows, maybe Amaker gets to be the guy who replaces the guy who tries to replace a legend?

 

[Toga]

Knight respected JB for the class he had after the 87 NC game.
To JB’s credit he handled that loss unlike many would be capable of.
If we beat Indiana I doubt Knight is as favorable towards us as he became.

To his credit, he's never mentioned Indiana's 27 moving picks (I counted).

 

[AZOrange]

K is a dick -- everybody recognizes that. Great guy, but a first rate pri<k [as many successful, driven coaches are].

But IMO, the one who came off looking the poorest was Amaker. He's left the nest, had high profile positions, and had success. He's weathered the ups-and-downs, proven himself, and has shown that he can be a successful D1 head coach.

Plus, he's a grown a$$ man -- if he got talked out of taking the Duke position, that's on him. It's not like he's been tethered to Coach K, and has to do what he says -- he's been gone from being on the Duke staff for TWO DECADES. Assuming that the report that he was offered the job is correct, versus just being contacted about it.

If he WAS offered the job, and chose to allow his ostensible mentor talk him out of taking the job, then that's on him. He's a seasoned enough guy to make his own decisions.

That’s so true and exactly why that part of the story is not true. There is just no way that he had the offer and said no after Duke was misaligned with K. Until K or Duke admits it I will never believe that

 

[AZOrange]

And just to be clear I think there is less than a zero chance that JB lingers in the background after he retires like K. He’s just not wired the same that way. His issue is he may never willingly retire