Coach K said no to Amaker

[Alsacs]

SMU HC Tim Jankovich was the HC at Illinois State.
He left being a HC to become SMU assistant HC and HCIW while Larry Brown was HC.

Coaches will become HCIW assistants for a promotion.

Amaker could have done in it for 1 year.

Schayer is just going to have a shadow King in the weeds while he is HC.

Amaker is smart to avoid that.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Quin Snyder is a horrible person.

You’ve never mentioned this before….

 

[djcon57]

K isn’t too far behind.

Our head coach seems to like him.

 

[Day2]

Our head coach seems to like him.

He likes Knight, too.

 

[djcon57]

He likes Knight, too.

does he? Not suggesting he doesn’t...I just know he spends time with K and they appear to be friends. I never saw him discuss knight in that way. Could be wrong.

 

[Day2]

does he? Not suggesting he doesn’t...I just know he spends time with K and they appear to be friends. I never saw him discuss knight in that way. Could be wrong.

I’m pretty sure they get along. I’ll say this, though: After reading that article, Knight wouldn’t have sung our praises as much as he did as a commentator if he didn’t care for JB.

 

[miamicuse]

a good question to ask JB on his Thursday show.

"Coach, do you think Amaker would have made a good HCIW at Duke? or at Syracuse? If not Amaker, then who?"

 

[Alsacs]

I’m pretty sure they get along. I’ll say this, though: After reading that article, Knight wouldn’t have sung our praises as much as he did as a commentator if he didn’t care for JB.

Knight respected JB for the class he had after the 87 NC game.
To JB’s credit he handled that loss unlike many would be capable of.
If we beat Indiana I doubt Knight is as favorable towards us as he became.

 

[DoctorBombay]

He likes Knight, too.

JB tells the story of how Knight told him: “keep doing what you’re doing, you’ll win a championship one day “ after ‘87, and how he told Roy Williams the same thing when we beat KU in ‘03. He’s a big Bobby Knight fan.

 

[sufandu]

Eh. There is a lot to that story that doesn’t ring true. Not to say some of it isn’t true. But I don’t believe that.

Couldn't be as simple as Amaker has coached for a long time and has been mediocre. If he was the guy to maintain their status, it seems like he would've worked his way to more success at a higher profile place by now. That's not to say Sheyer will be any better, but Amaker seems like a known quantity at this point.

 

[Sherman20]

Always thought Amaker was the frontrunner.
He was the point guard who helped K when he took over.
Took Duke from losers to the NCAA final.
Rarely turned the ball over.
And seemed to have become a really good coach at Harvard.

Exclusive | Mike Krzyzewski pushed ‘heartbroken’ Tommy Amaker out as Duke successor

Duke University wanted to hire Harvard basketball coach Tommy Amaker last spring to replace the retiring Mike Krzyzewski, even going so far as to offer him the job.

nypost.com

I worry that JB will TRY to do this as well. He essentially orchestrated staying on past his 3 year timeline. Syverud and Wildhack were sticking to the timeline but JB agitated behind the scenes that he didn’t want to retire, which put Hop in an awkward position and led to him leaving for Washington when the job opened up. We all know the rumor he wants Gmac. Lord help us all if he tries to orchestrate Gmac getting the job.

 

[Sherman20]

Why would anyone do that? Take a demotion to get a promotion? He was an assistant already for 9 years ending in 1997. Entire story sounds strange - previously who ever quit a D1 coaching job to be an assistant to take over another head coaching job in a year? Seriously, has anyone done that before?

It happens. Matt Painter, who was the head coach at Southern Illinois, left that job to be head coach designate at Purdue for Gene Keady’s final season before taking over. He had also been a former Purdue player and Keady assistant. It was necessary. You need to be able to recruit during the coach’s final season. Painter was able to handle all the recruiting for his first season and target the players he wanted.

 

[Newhouser]

If the article is to be believed, that "Krzyzewski explained to Amaker that if he left Harvard to join the Duke staff as a successor-in-waiting for the 2021-22 season, the move would force the demotion of a Blue Devils assistant and “create an awkward dynamic with Scheyer." Then the start date will be one year BEFORE K retires, as an assistant HCIW to work under K for one year to transition. That would be one year of misery if K doesn't want him. This is totally different from starting the day after K leaves.

Didn't K create the same atmosphere picking Sheyer? Wasn't a more experienced coach jettisoned?

 

[realorange]

Coach K stayed in the locker room at halftime last night. Apparently not feeling well.

Scheyer brought home the win in a classic finish over Wake.

 

[Bayside44]

Didn't K create the same atmosphere picking Sheyer? Wasn't a more experienced coach jettisoned?

Capel a few years ago?

 

[Fly Rodder]

Capel a few years ago?

Maybe Wojo, he was the designated associate head coach until he left in 2014.

I figured he was going to be first in line to take over from K, but he kind of underwhelmed at Marquette.

From Wiki:
With the departure of Steve Wojciechowski from the Blue Devils staff, Scheyer was promoted to a full assistant coach on April 18, 2014.[158] Following the departure of associate head coach Jeff Capel to become the head coach at the University of Pittsburgh at the end of the 2018 season, Scheyer was promoted to co-associate head coach along with Nate James.[159]

 

[SkyTopBus44]

After reading this thread, I kind of want to change my user name to "Shadow King"

 

[AZOrange]

After reading this thread, I kind of want to change my user name to "Shadow King"

Same

 

[Newhouser]

Capel a few years ago?

Nate James - took a job as Head guy at Austin Peay after Scheyer got the gig. He had been there 5 or 6 years longer and had same Associate Head Coach title.

 

[Cheriehoop]

Duke has quite a few options for experienced former head coaches but none overwhelmingly successful - Amaker, Snyder, Dawkins, Capel, Collins, Wojo, O’Toole, James etc. The most successful is probably ND‘s Mike Brey, who has never been seriously mentioned - strange.

 

[cuseincincy]

Just wanted to point out that all of Syracuse's current assistants have more coaching experience than Jon Scheyer.

 

[AZOrange]

Duke has quite a few options for experienced former head coaches but none overwhelmingly successful - Amaker, Snyder, Dawkins, Capel, Collins, Wojo, O’Toole, James etc. The most successful is probably ND‘s Mike Brey, who has never been seriously mentioned - strange.

Timeline relevance. Scheyer runs recruiting for Duke. Nothing is more important than keeping that pipeline.

 

[Cheriehoop]

Timeline relevance. Scheyer runs recruiting for Duke. Nothing is more important than keeping that pipeline.

No offense to him but how, when and where did he get those connections for such a pipeline? He played high school ball in Illinois, only graduated in 2010, was undrafted, went to training camp, played a year in D league, then played overseas a year in the Israeli league, a few summer leagues etc. By April 2013, he was on Duke’s staff replacing Capel. Where did he cultivate those connections - No prior coaching experience, AAU experience, no high school coaching contacts yet he’s been known as a recruiting guru in such a short time? He’s that charismatic? Well good for him. Interesting.

 

[AZOrange]

No offense to him but how, when and where did he get those connections for such a pipeline? He played high school ball in Illinois, only graduated in 2010, was undrafted, went to training camp, played a year in D league, then played overseas a year in the Israeli league, a few summer leagues etc. By April 2013, he was on Duke’s staff replacing Capel. Where did he cultivate those connections - No prior coaching experience, AAU experience, no high school coaching contacts yet he’s been known as a recruiting guru in such a short time? He’s that charismatic? Well good for him. Interesting.

It’s the paradigm shift occurring in all of sports. The NFL is the same way. Younger and younger coaches. With limited experience but that come from dynastic trees. The super bowl coach was 36 and I think he was the older coach.

 

[IthacaMatt]

The key paragraph and what cannot happen here:

In retirement, Coach K believed he would maintain more control over the program through the 34-year-old Scheyer than the 56-year-old Amaker, sources told O’Connor for the book. Scheyer has never coached anywhere else, while Amaker left Duke in 1997 for Seton Hall.

That's rough. Amaker proved himself, in my opinion.