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This was my fear all along. Especially when you do “cuse math”. They have to pay AA buyout (let’s just call it a few mil) then in order to be 40th highest paying job you have to pay $3.5m a year and give a 5 year contract. So we’re already at $19.5m not counting assistants or other resource needs. So all in you’re looking close to $25-$30m commitment to be top 40 in pay. Which is not even that great. I don’t see SU ever doing that, hence the candidate list …
But it’s $3.5-4 million per year to hire a top mid major head coach at a P4, not $17-20 million out front. Same with the assistant coaches. They were already paying JB well over $2 million per year. A packed Dome and a re-engaged basketball fanbase and donor base would easily cover that per year cost.
 
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But it’s $3.5-4 million per year to hire a top mid major head coach at a P4, not $17-20 million out front. Same with the assistant coaches. They were already paying JB well over $2 million per year. A packed Dome and a re-engaged basketball fanbase and donor base would easily cover that per year cost.
The university looks at the entire amount they are on the hook for though. And yes it is 3.5-$4m to hire a top coach so are they going to shell that out? What if Hodgson says that’s what he deserves. There’s no way SU is making a $20m commitment to the guy. Hence why these others are in the conversation. They want to be at $2m a year. They have always been at $2m a year. Problem is $2m a year is a joke when you look at average salaries for these coaches these days. BH makes about $750-1m from what I researched tax free in Florida. But he’s going to get some offers that far exceed $2m a year and that’s where there is going to be a problem for cuse
 
NIL > Head Coach
Raise the dollars for the program and the players AND COACH will come.

The season we are living right now shows that is exactly NOT the case.

We had the NIL to build a competetive roster this season and did.

The terrible coaching has been a hurdle we can't clear to make this team competitive.

You simply have to have a competent HC otherwise you are wasting NIL, like we are seeing now.
 
The university looks at the entire amount they are on the hook for though. And yes it is 3.5-$4m to hire a top coach so are they going to shell that out? What if Hodgson says that’s what he deserves. There’s no way SU is making a $20m commitment to the guy. Hence why these others are in the conversation. They want to be at $2m a year. They have always been at $2m a year. Problem is $2m a year is a joke when you look at average salaries for these coaches these days. BH makes about $750-1m from what I researched tax free in Florida. But he’s going to get some offers that far exceed $2m a year and that’s where there is going to be a problem for cuse
If Red - with zero head coaching experience - started at $1.3M, then I'm sure the University can figure out the math for a PROVEN coach coming from a non-P4 is going to exceed $3M.
 
offers that far exceed $2m a year and that’s where there is going to be a problem for cuse
Which, ok, fine. If that's their expectation, then they also shouldn't expect to sell ~18,000 season tickets nor draw the eyeballs on TV. If they want to be BC, be BC. Stop blowing smoke about how SU sports is still in the 80s and 90s.

Hire Gmac and let him do his thing in front of 8k people in the dome.
 
The university looks at the entire amount they are on the hook for though. And yes it is 3.5-$4m to hire a top coach so are they going to shell that out? What if Hodgson says that’s what he deserves. There’s no way SU is making a $20m commitment to the guy. Hence why these others are in the conversation. They want to be at $2m a year. They have always been at $2m a year. Problem is $2m a year is a joke when you look at average salaries for these coaches these days. BH makes about $750-1m from what I researched tax free in Florida. But he’s going to get some offers that far exceed $2m a year and that’s where there is going to be a problem for cuse
Could be. I will be surprised if SU’s salary compensation package isn’t competitive or above market average for P5. Salary won’t be the obstacle if we miss out on our top choices.
 
The university looks at the entire amount they are on the hook for though. And yes it is 3.5-$4m to hire a top coach so are they going to shell that out? What if Hodgson says that’s what he deserves. There’s no way SU is making a $20m commitment to the guy. Hence why these others are in the conversation. They want to be at $2m a year. They have always been at $2m a year. Problem is $2m a year is a joke when you look at average salaries for these coaches these days. BH makes about $750-1m from what I researched tax free in Florida. But he’s going to get some offers that far exceed $2m a year and that’s where there is going to be a problem for cuse

Yep... I really hope Lally is "all-in" on Hodg, because I fear that the BOT may not approve a competitive salary for a good coach otherwise.

The fact that you, dash, and other ITKs are seeding that numerous "other" candidates in consideration are not of the caliber /profile that many were hoping for, tells me they've lined-up a number of on-the-cheap alternatives... I'm not shocked by this actually. I was just hoping that this opportunity for a program reset would be met with the financing of a serious P4 program, and not squandered on a cheap punt. If it's gonna be done on-the-cheap, and say, we can't stomach the price tag for Hodg and his USF buyout (and have to go for a low mid-major type a la Langel, etc.), oh well...

It certainly won't be very inspiring, but at least we'll know where we stand as a program in this new era. It would be proof-positive we're an "also-ran" program.
 

Look at some of the buyouts for these coaches as well. $2m a year puts you in 64th for pay. So when I say I don’t believe cuse will ever be a “desired paying job” there’s too much evidence to prove that they won’t be
 
The university looks at the entire amount they are on the hook for though. And yes it is 3.5-$4m to hire a top coach so are they going to shell that out? What if Hodgson says that’s what he deserves. There’s no way SU is making a $20m commitment to the guy. Hence why these others are in the conversation. They want to be at $2m a year. They have always been at $2m a year. Problem is $2m a year is a joke when you look at average salaries for these coaches these days. BH makes about $750-1m from what I researched tax free in Florida. But he’s going to get some offers that far exceed $2m a year and that’s where there is going to be a problem for cuse
BH is obviously interested in (and wants) the HC job, but does that also mean he’d take a pay cut (turning down higher offers elsewhere) to come here?
 

Look at some of the buyouts for these coaches as well. $2m a year puts you in 64th for pay. So when I say I don’t believe cuse will ever be a “desired paying job” there’s too much evidence to prove that they won’t be
Todd Golden at $3.6 million is a steal. Unfortunately, his buyout is over #13 million.
 
Does a big year 1 set up that long term success though? We’ve seen what happens when year 1 looks really bad at a lot of places. Takes a while to erase that stink.if ever.
How many times do we have to go over, while also having 3 years of evidence with our own eyes, that if the coach is terrible it doesn’t matter.
 
Thanks for sharing. Bc that’s always what’s shared and discussed is what they aren’t going to do versus what they will
I hear you. Keep in mind, Red's base salary at time of hiring (per tax filings) was 1.7m 3 years ago - as a HC with zero experience. And, they gave him a 5 year contract. If they think Hodgson is THE guy, his salary compensation package, which will likely include performance incentives, will be competitive.
 
BH is obviously interested in (and wants) the HC job, but does that also mean he’d take a pay cut (turning down higher offers elsewhere) to come here?
Not Bulldog. I mean even Louisville didn't go big on base salary for Kelsey initially. Syracuse would need to and realistically should be able to be very generous when it comes to offering incentives and even some auto extensions for hitting particular goals better than most places. Syracuse Basketball is a revenue generating machine when it's winning. Syracuse can learn a lot from Louisville on how to handle this from a contract structuring basis imo. As I said here yesterday, the biggest obstacle that could stand in the way of getting this done will be the exclusionary attitude of those with influence to hiring the outsider. If they still even exist and they might, you don't want it to get to the point where he determines it's too difficult to overcome the barriers to being accepted and he turns his attention elsewhere. You are already seeing the conversation in local media, when it comes to discussing Hodgson, the tone changes and the examination of the resume gets a little bit more scrutinized. Perhaps because he is the leader in the clubhouse, but it could also be the sources that are feeding the media the scoop are also doing so with a similar tone, which is concerning. If it's Hodgson or some other outsider that gets this job, it's not going to be business as usual. It will be a big deal and it will be easier to get to the real things that need to happen to increase the chances of winning asap, the quicker everyone embraces the move and gives him a chance. They haven't hired an outsider to lead the program in over 60 years.
 
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So we are all focused on BH or Hop right now and I get it but who are the other real candidates? I know it’s a little out there but how about Bobby Hurley or either one of UConn’s top two assistants?
 
So we are all focused on BH or Hop right now and I get it but who are the other real candidates? I know it’s a little out there but how about Bobby Hurley or either one of UConn’s top two assistants?

The Arizona State fans can't stand Bobby Hurley for the most part. No thanks.
 
If it's Hodgson or some other outsider that gets this job, it's not going to be business as usual. It will be a big deal and it will be easier to get to the real things that need to happen to increase the chances of winning asap, the quicker everyone embraces the move and gives him a chance. They haven't hired an outsider to lead the program in over 60 years.
How many alums have we hired to lead the Football team in the last 60 years? One? Like anyone else, alum or not, if you win, they love you.
 
The university looks at the entire amount they are on the hook for though. And yes it is 3.5-$4m to hire a top coach so are they going to shell that out? What if Hodgson says that’s what he deserves. There’s no way SU is making a $20m commitment to the guy. Hence why these others are in the conversation. They want to be at $2m a year. They have always been at $2m a year. Problem is $2m a year is a joke when you look at average salaries for these coaches these days. BH makes about $750-1m from what I researched tax free in Florida. But he’s going to get some offers that far exceed $2m a year and that’s where there is going to be a problem for cuse
Even if SU gets an up and comer for $2m, the only way he stays at that price is if he flops. If he succeeds, SU will have to pay multiples of that number for future contracts. The 50-year JB alumni discount is over. The cost would be made up in ticket sales in a full Dome. If too short sighted or unwilling to do that, it's just a feeder program and SU should just go down a level.
 
So we are all focused on BH or Hop right now and I get it but who are the other real candidates? I know it’s a little out there but how about Bobby Hurley or either one of UConn’s top two assistants?

The "other" candidates on the list are supposedly much lower profile names...
 
So we are all focused on BH or Hop right now and I get it but who are the other real candidates? I know it’s a little out there but how about Bobby Hurley or either one of UConn’s top two assistants?
There's a reason Bobby Hurley will be very available. Luke Murray has potential, but no HC experience. Where we're at after the past 10 years, it's too big of a risk IMO.
 

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