Coach Search Options after Autry

[phil77]

Again, he Isaiah Stewart, Nahz Carter, and Jaden McDaniels and went 15-17! The recruiting dried up after that. Can you blame anyone.

You know what will fix that?? More money.

 

[BomberOrange]

I feel like the Syracuse basketball fans are on an episode of Punked right now. We have to be. Nobody in their right mind would hire Hopkins.

Totally agree. I cannot be the only one thinking that I will not renew my four section 108 tickets if Hop is hired. That would be a disaster for the university unless they’re planning on building an 8k basketball only arena

 

[721Comstock]

You can do that win you win a chip. Comes off corny when your big accomplishment is a win against Memphis and… checks thread… Tulsa.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Utah state is a pretty good win though? If Utah state isnt a good win then Scherz is going to have a hard time finding a job with his best win being against Santa Clara

Utah State generally has a solid program. They seem to be able to identify good head coaches and recruit over their heads a little bit.

 

[5OutFred]

I feel like the Syracuse basketball fans are on an episode of Punked right now. We have to be. Nobody in their right mind would hire Hopkins.

If you surveyed 100 national media members about whether Hop should get the job, I am certain more than 80 of them would say no.

 

[Widget24]

Every page of this thread is getting more and more entertaining.

 

[RF2044]

Again, he Isaiah Stewart, Nahz Carter, and Jaden McDaniels and went 15-17! The recruiting dried up after that. Can you blame anyone.

I believe this is part of the rationalization / intellectual dishonesty that prevents honest assessment of people with ties to the program.

 

[phil77]

If you surveyed 100 national media members about whether Hop should get the job, I am certain more than 80 of them would say no.

There are 20 national media members with ties to Syracuse? Probably about right because those are the only people who would vote yes.

 

[Widget24]

Utah State generally has a solid program. They seem to be able to identify good head coaches and recruit over their heads a little bit.

Must be nice!

 

[LAorange44]

The fact of the matter is that both Hopper and the Guppy are flawed candidate. Neither would be getting a serious look if we were a serious program.

 

[Scotch]

Has anyone asked if the Guppy would serve as Hop’s top assistant and ace recruiter???? A foot in the door might help land his dream job one day.

The nicknames are super embarrassing.

 

[Sherman20]

And the facts behind his success at USF are that he has a NET of 52, his best wins are at home against Utah State and at Tulsa and USF has more Q3 losses than Syracuse this year.
Not saying he wouldn’t be very successful here because I don’t know. But the facts are the facts. He’s had a very good mid major season but if he loses in the conference tournament he’ll be watching the NCAAs just like us.

Player acquisition options are completely different from the P5 to a mid major. Hodge is doing way more with way less resources there.

 

[Fly Rodder]

I don’t feel like getting yelled at, I’m just asking a question - does anyone feel that coaches can improve and win after they have failed ? There’s a lot of cases that prove this theory to be correct. Hop had one stint that went well and then not so well. Why did it go well first couple of years ? Something he did had to work. And then I know there were some injuries and stuff like that and then recruiting wasn’t ideal. But just curious because what if it worked out ? Haven’t heard one positive possible outcome yet lol

I don't know how many get second chances after failing at a high major in their only go round as a collegiate head coach. Usually it's either prove you can build a winning team in the low and mid-majors and then get a major job where you either succeed or drop back down or retire. In the last 30 seasons, I would bet that fewer than 5 coaches have had a second chance after going 70-84 in five seasons.

So, since I'm no longer paying for stathead, I went to gemini and asked.

"In the last 30 years, how many D1 NCAA basketball head coaches have had five seasons with a cumulative record under .500, were then fired from the first head coaching job, and hired into a new high major program to be the head coach?"​

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There are 0 instances of a coach having a cumulative losing record over 5+ seasons, being fired, and being hired directly into another Power 5 (ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, SEC, Pac-12) head coaching job. Brian Gregory is the only one who comes close if you include the AAC as a high-major program.​

Notable "Close Calls" (But disqualified)

Cuonzo Martin: Fired from Cal after 3 seasons (cumulative record was winning).

Richard Pitino: Fired from Minnesota after 8 seasons with a winning record (141–123), though he did have many losing seasons in conference play. He was immediately hired by New Mexico (Mountain West), which is not a High-Major.

Steve Prohm: Fired from Iowa State after 6 seasons, but his cumulative record was 97–95 (just above .500).

 

[LAorange44]

This nicknames are super embarrassing.

Sorry Bro

Has anyone asked if the big bad Bryan “The Shark” Hodgson would serve as Hop’s top assistant and ace recruiter???? A foot in the door might help land his dream job one day.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

Red’s not being retained. What about last season is relevant?

You share the opinion of most fans, which is justified. Its a fans opinion though. Im sharing the opinion of those who have performed the job successfully and either acclimated to NIL and the portal, or retired.

I think we may have our wires crossed somewhere here.

My point is that it doesn't matter what pieces a coach has if they are unable to utilize them. This is what doomed Red. This is also exactly what doomed Hop at Washington, and there is even more data on his failures there than on Red's performance here.

Unless Hop has consistent, virtually unlimited funding to assemble superteams and also hires elite assistants, he's almost certain to fail.

That's a lot of "if statements" that are not realistic.

 

[Orangezoo]

If he got hired he would need to verbally use his press conference to describe his offensive and defensive systems and if there is no philosophical shift he's DOA.

I think coaches and admins underestimate how smart the average fan is now. There's so many great data tools. You can't BS a lot of people as much.

Agreed and what I’ve been getting at with some of my posts too.

 

[RF2044]

I don't know how many get second chances after failing at a high major in their only go round as a collegiate head coach. Usually it's either prove you can build a winning team in the low and mid-majors and then get a major job where you either succeed or drop back down or retire. In the last 30 seasons, I would bet that fewer than 5 coaches have had a second chance after going 70-84 in five seasons.

So, since I'm no longer paying for stathead, I went to gemini and asked.

"In the last 30 years, how many D1 NCAA basketball head coaches have had five seasons with a cumulative record under .500, were then fired from the first head coaching job, and hired into a new high major program to be the head coach?"​

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Which is why Hopkins's candidacy for our opening is bizarre, and not supported by logic [beyond some higher ups "liking" him from his time here, 10 years ago -- when college basketball was fundamentally different than it is now].

We dropped the ball with the Red hire, because he was unqualified.

And it seems like there is a subset of the BoT and donors who are rushing toward making the same exact mistake again. Like Red this year, Hopkins had talent at UW -- perhaps more talent than we have, given McDaniel and the big from Rochester, both of whom fast tracked to being NBA starters -- and he posted a losing record. This should be a cautionary red flag about his X's and O's.

 

[2B20Again]

The fact of the matter is that both Hopper and the Guppy are flawed candidate. Neither would be getting a serious look if we were a serious program.

If we were a serious program we wouldn’t be looking, they would be lining up to come here.

 

[rrlbees]

Totally agree. I cannot be the only one thinking that I will not renew my four section 108 tickets if Hop is hired. That would be a disaster for the university unless they’re planning on building an 8k basketball only arena

Maybe I know a lot of weird people, but in my personal life, I don't know of a single relative or friend who's a STH that will give up their tix, whether its Hodgson or Hop or Schertz or Gmac or Bulldong04 as the next head coach.

 

[phil77]

Which is why Hopkins's candidacy for our opening is bizarre, and not supported by logic [beyond some higher ups "liking" him from his time here, 10 years ago -- when college basketball was fundamentally different than it is now].

We dropped the ball with the Red hire, because he was unqualified.

And it seems like there is a subset of the BoT and donors who are rushing toward making the same exact mistake again. Like Red this year, Hopkins had talent at UW -- perhaps more talent than we have, given McDaniel and the big from Rochester -- and he posted a losing record. This should be a cautionary red flag about his X's and O's.

Yeah but you only heard about Hodgson 2 months ago and don't watch ball and the people on BoT have forgotten more about basketball than you will ever know. So you suck !!!! LOL

 

[Newhouser]

And the facts behind his success at USF are that he has a NET of 52, his best wins are at home against Utah State and at Tulsa and USF has more Q3 losses than Syracuse this year.
Not saying he wouldn’t be very successful here because I don’t know. But the facts are the facts. He’s had a very good mid major season but if he loses in the conference tournament he’ll be watching the NCAAs just like us.

As may Schertz if St Louis is trending the wrong way, and he's never coached an NCAA game either.

I think Hop is a mistake, but all of our candidates have ?'s - guess that is where we are as a program.

 

[Sherman20]

Which is why Hopkins's candidacy for our opening is bizarre, and not supported by logic [beyond some higher ups "liking" him from his time here, 10 years ago -- when college basketball was fundamentally different than it is now].

We dropped the ball with the Red hire, because he was unqualified.

And it seems like there is a subset of the BoT and donors who are rushing toward making the same exact mistake again. Like Red this year, Hopkins had talent at UW -- perhaps more talent than we have, given McDaniel and the big from Rochester, both of whom fast tracked to being NBA starters -- and he posted a losing record. This should be a cautionary red flag about his X's and O's.

Just want to put it out there that the University will push every narrative they can to make it seem like they made the right hire...

There's no defending the decision if you decide to go with the guy that has proven to be a losing coach over the up-and-coming hot name on the trail coach that has only succeeded at multiple stops and is getting looks from many other high-major jobs. Oh yeah, and that guy also desperately wants to come here. If Hopkins gets the job, we all know why, and it's not because he was the best option.

It's been proven time and time again that it does not matter how much money the coach has. If they aren't good, they won't win. Not to mention when a coach starts losing, all that "money" that they seemed to have starts disappearing.

Also, a good administration finds a way to get the donors behind the guy they choose. They don't let a donor put them in an ultimatum to choose the guy they want.

We have some great posters here making such well articulated points. Can we get some of y'all on the local talk radio, podcasts and on Axe’s show to spread the gospel of why Hop would be an absolutely horrendous hire? I’m not kidding here. We have to push back on Paulie and Infanti and Axe and others from rationalizing this hire as it goes further down the tracks. Media pushback will be key to getting into the decision makers ears before they make another massive mistake.

 

[DilemaCuse]

Sorry Bro

Has anyone asked if the big bad Bryan “The Shark” Hodgson would serve as Hop’s top assistant and ace recruiter???? A foot in the door might help land his dream job one day.

I think you have it backwards, would Hop come back as an assistant to the younger up and coming head coach who is in demand

 

[Sherman20]

Maybe I know a lot of weird people, but in my personal life, I don't know of a single relative or friend who's a STH that will give up their tix, whether its Hodgson or Hop or Schertz or Gmac or Bulldong04 as the next head coach.

Season ticket sales have cratered the last five years or more. Attendance is a joke now.

 

[Fly Rodder]

Maybe I know a lot of weird people, but in my personal life, I don't know of a single relative or friend who's a STH that will give up their tix, whether its Hodgson or Hop or Schertz or Gmac or Bulldong04 as the next head coach.

Well, judging by the attendance, there are plenty of people who gave up their seasons with JAB as head coach and have been doing so with Red as the coach. I know I was able to move up to the 200s behind the SU bench in 2019-20 when ten years previous those would have been impossible to get.