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[RedtheGOB]

FWIW, Melo's history with head coaches is checkered, to say the least.

Had a lot of success in Denver with George Karl, but then decided he couldn't play for him anymore.

Forced the trade to the Knicks where he promptly burned through Mike D'Antoni, Mike Woodson, Derek Fisher and Jeff Hornacek.

Then was a journeyman the rest of his career.

I love Melo for all he has done for SU. And he's one of the all-time great scorers. But he doesn't know what makes a great coach or how to run an elite college basketball program. Money is one aspect of that, but there are many, many other aspects.

How dare you? I always laugh too when people talk about his college experience at cuse as some big long thing.

He did it all in 6 months time then it was celebrate and then the draft ha. Like a semesterish of school.

 

[dasher]

Laughing because of the situation, Melo is getting Hop 30 plus million dollars and they are not sure if Kiyan will start. If this is about investing in Syracuse Basketball in general and not really Kiyan, this should be a long term thing then.

I am thinking that there is more to this situation than Kiyan. And I won't say anymore on that.

 

[sweetpea]

Wayne Morgan had a good career. He, like Hop, was an excellent recruiter. He took over as head coach after Larry Eustachy was let go because of scandal after being his assistant. He led Iowa St to an NCAA tournament bid and a NIT bid in 2 of his 3 seasons there.He had a 55-39 record at Iowa St. Creightons Greg McDermott followed him as head coach at Iowa St and left with a 59-68 record before heading to Creighton. Before Iowa St, Morgan was head coach of Long Beach St and had a 175-91 head coaching record there.

Wayne Morgan (basketball) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

91-84 at Long Beach State according to your link

 

[Franz69]

Sounds like wealthy people acting like wealthy people. The Lyke stuff makes no sense given her history. She must kill it at cocktail parties.

Exactly. I fail to see why the Lallys are backing Lyke so heavily.

 

[Blanko97]

I could go into what the word hypothetical means but I’ll leave that to one of the more experienced insiders here.

A hypothetical usually includes a realistic scenario.

 

[qdawgg]

Sounds like wealthy people acting like wealthy people. The Lyke stuff makes no sense given her history. She must kill it at cocktail parties.

Hey, that's Brian Kelly territory.

Right TerryD

 

[kingtidge]

They are. But like you said, Melo isn't AW. Who I believe is on team Melo.

No, but mebbs melo gets his building back when Lally pulls the plug on the the rest of the 25 mill that hasn't already been committed/transferred?

I mean both sides have a big stack of comparable chips in the game, is all I am saying.

Will the Lallys play the game to full ante and call?

Game of chicken/do REALLY want their way, etc...

 

[dasher]

If this is the situation what is the problem with Lyke? I don’t know, so just asking. I mean I’d rather have a coach who can coach hoop than a great AD. The AD only needs to take care of football, MBB, and mlax. Whatever else happens, who cares. Sorry if i offend others in other sports but those are the ones people care about.

You might be missing the big picture here. Our next A.D. and JW was perfect for this, is going to be important in the next round of realignment. I don't think Lyke can help us one bit.

 

[Scooch]

I think he did a pretty good job. We were more held back by the two guys that we kept. One got hurt when we needed him most and the other had erratic play. Kingz was an excellent addition. As was Kyle. Even Betsey for what we wanted of him. The miss was on the pt guard. And some of that might have been his usage.

I was watching UVA-NC State last night and they talked about the top 5 bench scorers in the conference. Betsey is 4th. I was kinda stunned to see him that highly ranked. Just reinforced how terrible Red’s playing time decisions have been.

 

[Orangezoo]

So the best I can discern is that we have a real mess on our hands.

Behind the scenes, there are power struggles taking place for all three positions currently open. Chancellor, AD and MBB.

There seem to be competing factions at each position, and there seems to be a clear direction for what I would say is “Team Lally”…which appears to be involved in all three.

Their slate of candidates appear to be:
Chancellor Haynie
AD Lyke
Coach Hodgson
(The last two for sure, not sure about Haynie)

They are opposed on Lyke by some very influential FB supporters.

And they are opposed on Hodgson by Team Melo.(Hop)
Melo will not be outspent here.

I don’t know how this is all going to fall out, but I think Haynie is going to be a winner here.

The AD situation is too close to call.

As is the MBB coach.

The overarching picture here is the Lally’s attempt to consolidate control. I don’t think they’re going to stop until the school is renamed Lally University @ Syracuse.

Let’s just say their name above Melo’s on the basketball facility has been “duly noted”.

I think a Hop - Lyke result would be somewhat of a potential compromise.

As Dash has noted, I don’t see anyway the Lally’s support Hop, nor Melo supports Hodgson.

Wow what a mess thanks for sharing as always. When things go down like this it’s always worrisome that garbage in/garbage out applies and the lack of cohesion only will further torment us a fans as tension persists and the major programs suffer as a result even with loads of money.

 

[dasher]

No, but mebbs melo gets his building back when Lally pulls the plug on the the rest of the 25 mill that hasn't already been committed/transferred?

I mean both side have a big stack of comparable chips in the game, is all I am saying.

Will the Lallys play the game to full ant and call?

I don't know. It would not surprise me if they did. ergo, why Jake and I have both called this a mess.

 

[PauliePeppas]

Seems to me Lallys want people in there they can control. They can’t tell me they are serious about sports and hire lykes.

Thats my read as well, be the AD basically without being the “AD” . Lyke is a puppet

 

[Sdot]

If this is the situation what is the problem with Lyke? I don’t know, so just asking. I mean I’d rather have a coach who can coach hoop than a great AD. The AD only needs to take care of football, MBB, and mlax. Whatever else happens, who cares. Sorry if i offend others in other sports but those are the ones people care about.

Problem is she reportedly could not fund raise any upgrades she started and also built a $240 million dollar volleyball facility. Also believe more in giving all sports more funding than the bigger 2. (Football and men’s basketball)

 

[CU44SE]

There are a lot of pieces to the puzzle out there to put together.

And a lot of it is finally making sense. And unfortunately, it sounds like egos making decisions. These decisions are not being made with the university’s best interest in mind.

 

[Jasoncuse]

So the best I can discern is that we have a real mess on our hands.

Behind the scenes, there are power struggles taking place for all three positions currently open. Chancellor, AD and MBB.

There seem to be competing factions at each position, and there seems to be a clear direction for what I would say is “Team Lally”…which appears to be involved in all three.

Their slate of candidates appear to be:
Chancellor Haynie
AD Lyke
Coach Hodgson
(The last two for sure, not sure about Haynie)

They are opposed on Lyke by some very influential FB supporters.

And they are opposed on Hodgson by Team Melo.(Hop)
Melo will not be outspent here.

I don’t know how this is all going to fall out, but I think Haynie is going to be a winner here.

The AD situation is too close to call.

As is the MBB coach.

The overarching picture here is the Lally’s attempt to consolidate control. I don’t think they’re going to stop until the school is renamed Lally University @ Syracuse.

Let’s just say their name above Melo’s on the basketball facility has been “duly noted”.

I think a Hop - Lyke result would be somewhat of a potential compromise.

As Dash has noted, I don’t see anyway the Lally’s support Hop, nor Melo supports Hodgson.

So a Lyke/Hop combo plate will not only put a nail in the coffin for the hoops team but also the football program. Woohoo!

How about we have Melo pick the AD and Lally the HC for the compromise? Please?

 

[qdawgg]

This stuff can't be happening at a worse time too. Conference expansion or whatever the heck it's going to look like isn't going away. Hiring a disaster AD to potentially run everything into the ground isn't a good look. BB could remain a disaster for another decade and nobody has any real idea what direction the FB program is headed.

 

[Jake]

You might be missing the big picture here. Our next A.D. and JW was perfect for this, is going to be important in the next round of realignment. I don't think Lyke can help us one bit.

Not only can’t she help, but likely a reason we won’t be included.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

So the best I can discern is that we have a real mess on our hands.

Behind the scenes, there are power struggles taking place for all three positions currently open. Chancellor, AD and MBB.

There seem to be competing factions at each position, and there seems to be a clear direction for what I would say is “Team Lally”…which appears to be involved in all three.

Their slate of candidates appear to be:
Chancellor Haynie
AD Lyke
Coach Hodgson
(The last two for sure, not sure about Haynie)

They are opposed on Lyke by some very influential FB supporters.

And they are opposed on Hodgson by Team Melo.(Hop)
Melo will not be outspent here.

I don’t know how this is all going to fall out, but I think Haynie is going to be a winner here.

The AD situation is too close to call.

As is the MBB coach.

The overarching picture here is the Lally’s attempt to consolidate control. I don’t think they’re going to stop until the school is renamed Lally University @ Syracuse.

Let’s just say their name above Melo’s on the basketball facility has been “duly noted”.

I think a Hop - Lyke result would be somewhat of a potential compromise.

As Dash has noted, I don’t see anyway the Lally’s support Hop, nor Melo supports Hodgson.

Jake, can you or someone else explain why Lally would be so pro-Lyke. But then you are saying some influential FB supporters oppose Lyke. I thought Lally would be considered an influential FB supporter. Is there a riff somewhere?

I thing people would settle for Lyke if, and a big IF, Hodgson is hired as MBBHC.

Thank you to you and all the others who are providing moving target tidbits as best possible.

 

[Cappy3]

Again, not focusing on any question at all. Simply making the point that there is no empirical evidence that Hodgson would be the can’t miss, sure fire thing some are portraying him to be. If he gets the gig I certainly hope he is, but until then I am willing to accept the possibility that there may be other qualified candidates.

You think you could provide us with someone who IS a “sure, can’t miss” guy? John Wooden is dead.

 

[richmondcuse03]

If this is the situation what is the problem with Lyke? I don’t know, so just asking. I mean I’d rather have a coach who can coach hoop than a great AD. The AD only needs to take care of football, MBB, and mlax. Whatever else happens, who cares. Sorry if i offend others in other sports but those are the ones people care about.

If Lyke gets the job, the Lally’s better be prepared to fund all our NIL for football on an ongoing basis or kiss Fran goodbye. .

 

[RedtheGOB]

I dont want to even have to ask but is there a scenario where a certain individual the Lallys really despise is lining up behind Melo and Hop and now we’re in store for some WW1 level trench warfare for a month.

 

[kingtidge]

I don't know. It would not surprise me if they did. ergo, why Jake and I have both called this a mess.

My hope is there is a compromise where Hodg gets the HC and Caparelli gets the AD...

The opposite compromise of Lyke as AD and Hop as HC ... not gonna lie... absolutely frightening.

 

[qdawgg]

I dont want to even have to ask but is there a scenario where a certain individual the Lallys really despise is lining up behind Melo and Hop and now we’re in store for some WW1 level trench warfare for a month.

Starting to get that feeling reading the last few pages.

 

[kingtidge]

I dont want to even have to ask but is there a scenario where a certain individual the Lallys really despise is lining up behind Melo and Hop and now we’re in store for some WW1 level trench warfare for a month.

Dash just said AW is on board with Team Melo... so that would appear to be the case, if true...

Wonder what portion AW has committed to the 30 mil bag, if so??

Regardless, if true, this has WWIII power struggle potential for sure (if it's not already there.)

 

[CuseTG2003]

So the best I can discern is that we have a real mess on our hands.

Behind the scenes, there are power struggles taking place for all three positions currently open. Chancellor, AD and MBB.

There seem to be competing factions at each position, and there seems to be a clear direction for what I would say is “Team Lally”…which appears to be involved in all three.

Their slate of candidates appear to be:
Chancellor Haynie
AD Lyke
Coach Hodgson
(The last two for sure, not sure about Haynie)

They are opposed on Lyke by some very influential FB supporters.

And they are opposed on Hodgson by Team Melo.(Hop)
Melo will not be outspent here.

I don’t know how this is all going to fall out, but I think Haynie is going to be a winner here.

The AD situation is too close to call.

As is the MBB coach.

The overarching picture here is the Lally’s attempt to consolidate control. I don’t think they’re going to stop until the school is renamed Lally University @ Syracuse.

Let’s just say their name above Melo’s on the basketball facility has been “duly noted”.

I think a Hop - Lyke result would be somewhat of a potential compromise.

As Dash has noted, I don’t see anyway the Lally’s support Hop, nor Melo supports Hodgson.

So we’re screwed. Awesome!

Thanks for sharing, honestly.