Coach Search Options after Autry

[Sherman20]

Hodgson is in the middle of the season for another team that he coaches. We gotta use some common sense here folks about this whole process

That’s the one thing that makes me feel better. Hodge, like any good coach, is fully focused on this season and this team he’s coaching. When USF’s season is over, which will be weeks away, then he’ll get to make his case (if he in fact wants the job). I just hope Wildhack and whoever’s involved in this decision gives him a full chance to make his case, because I think he’ll blow them out of the water.

 

[OburgOrange]

I am sure I could but I am not going to spend one second looking it up. I have been
on this board all day with this stuff and quite frankly, I'm tired.

Where’s your level 5 energy?

 

[dasher]

Alex didn’t exactly hit it out of the park this year

I think he did a pretty good job. We were more held back by the two guys that we kept. One got hurt when we needed him most and the other had erratic play. Kingz was an excellent addition. As was Kyle. Even Betsey for what we wanted of him. The miss was on the pt guard. And some of that might have been his usage.

 

[phil77]

I was thinking along on the same lines. Would it be improper for BH to reach out to Melo? Probably yes, Red still has the job. I would have to think if BH gets the job, his first call would be to melo and try to get those assets delivered to him. Melo couldn't do that now because that would undercut Hopkins. But it just seems that and I might be wrong here, but it seems to me that Hop and Bh are minor players in this game. The real game is between the Lally's and Melo.

Yup I agree, and I am sure Hopkins and Lally have had some sort of conversations and they have so far been unable to change Lally's mind so I was wondering if BH had his chance with Melo yet, because I think that would be the massive domino.

I do agree logicistically and the optics of that conversation would be weird, but it would need to happen soon. Melo needs to hear BH pitch somehow to understand him better. It does put everyone in a strange place. BH still trying to win a conference title and Melo with Hopkins but for the betterment of Syracuse, that conversation needs to take place.

 

[dasher]

Where’s your level 5 energy?

I'm 70 and right now, with all of the phone calls and emails, it's at level -10

 

[Cooper05]

Gallo from Merrimack

I think he is a very good coach and someone I would definitely think about! Has won two conference championships with two different teams in two different conferences. He is a winner! Someone is going to be very happy when they hire him in my opinion.

 

[ScriptCuse]

Anyone know when the hell we play again?

Thursday 2am on Comedy Central

 

[RedtheGOB]

I am pretty confidant that it is. I hope and wish what you are implying is or was true. But I think personalities are involved here. And people wanting to win. And not on the basketball court. Let's put it this way, if the money wasn't just tied to Hopkins, this would be a ridiculously easy choice.

Funny you mention the personalties. I just keep thinking about Hop and BH interviewing with the board and decisionmakers.

You got 38 year old BH who’s an up and comer that checks a lot of boxes but is more of a wildcard. Then the next interview is 56 year old Hop who is as close to a the traditional Company Man in the Cuse machine as you can get.

I’ve seen these scenarios play out in the corporate world a lot. The younger up and comer does not get hired over the company man unless said company is on the verge of total collapse.

I think everyone here would argue that the hoops program is indeed on the verge of collapse so it should be a no brainer.

I worry that the decisionmakers may not be there yet admitting to themselves that things are truly in the toilet as much as they are.

 

[phil77]

I think he can do more than one thing at a time. He wants this job badly. My issue would be the appearance of it more than if he has the time for it.

I don't think it has to be a big deal, just a 10-15 minute conversation. I think Melo needs to get a sense of BH as a person because, for Melo, it is personal with his son involved. He trusted Red and he trusts Hop.


And big interviews happen all the time now during the season. Last year, most hires were done before March Madness happened, at least all under the table, and they were not announced before their teams were eleminated but most of the stuff we are talking about on the board now was probably done about this time last year.

 

[Jake]

So the best I can discern is that we have a real mess on our hands.

Behind the scenes, there are power struggles taking place for all three positions currently open. Chancellor, AD and MBB.

There seem to be competing factions at each position, and there seems to be a clear direction for what I would say is “Team Lally”…which appears to be involved in all three.

Their slate of candidates appear to be:
Chancellor Haynie
AD Lyke
Coach Hodgson
(The last two for sure, not sure about Haynie)

They are opposed on Lyke by some very influential FB supporters.

And they are opposed on Hodgson by Team Melo.(Hop)
Melo will not be outspent here.

I don’t know how this is all going to fall out, but I think Haynie is going to be a winner here.

The AD situation is too close to call.

As is the MBB coach.

The overarching picture here is the Lally’s attempt to consolidate control. I don’t think they’re going to stop until the school is renamed Lally University @ Syracuse.

Let’s just say their name above Melo’s on the basketball facility has been “duly noted”.

I think a Hop - Lyke result would be somewhat of a potential compromise.

As Dash has noted, I don’t see anyway the Lally’s support Hop, nor Melo supports Hodgson.

 

[RedtheGOB]

What are you even talking about? We don’t have a Mike Hopkins like candidate because we would’ve never hired a coach with a losing overall HC record. Also, we don’t even know if Fran is a good hire yet

I could go into what the word hypothetical means but I’ll leave that to one of the more experienced insiders here.

 

[phil77]

Alex didn’t exactly hit it out of the park this year

I think Alex did OK his big miss was Hill but to be fair that is a massive miss as he cost a ton of NIL. I think JJ was a Red thing so I don't hold that against him. The rest of the players are pretty solid.

 

[Scooch]

FWIW, Melo's history with head coaches is checkered, to say the least.

Had a lot of success in Denver with George Karl, but then decided he couldn't play for him anymore.

Forced the trade to the Knicks where he promptly burned through Mike D'Antoni, Mike Woodson, Derek Fisher and Jeff Hornacek.

Then was a journeyman the rest of his career.

I love Melo for all he has done for SU. And he's one of the all-time great scorers. But he doesn't know what makes a great coach or how to run an elite college basketball program. Money is one aspect of that, but there are many, many other aspects.

 

[Jasoncuse]

bc his son needs a zone, is what im thinking

and hop is one of the few zone coaches roaming around

Kiyan can’t play zone either. Doesn’t have the length for the back line or the quickness/effort for the top of the zone.

 

[dasher]

So the best I can discern is that we have a real mess on our hands.

Behind the scenes, there are power struggles taking place for all three positions currently open. Chancelor, AD and MBB.

There seem to be competing factions at each position, and there seems to be a clear direction for what I would say is “Team Lally”…which appears to be involved in all three.

Their slate of candidates appear to be:
Chancellor Haynie
AD Lyke
Coach Hodgson
(The last two for sure, not sure about Haynie)

They are opposed on Lyke by some very influential FB supporters.

And they are opposed on Hodgson by Team Melo.(Hop)
Melo will not be outspent here.

I don’t know how this is all going to fall out, but I think Haynie is going to be a winner here.

The AD situation is too close to call.

As is the MBB coach.

The overarching picture here is the Lally’s attempt to consolidate control. I don’t think they’re going to stop until the school is renamed Lally University @ Syracuse.

Let’s just say their name above Melo’s on the basketball facility has been “duly noted”.

I think a Hop - Lyke result would be somewhat of a potential compromise.

As Dash has noted, I don’t see anyway the Lally’s support Hop, nor Melo supports Hodgson.

What a great summery Jake. I think you nailed it. God help us. And to say it again, what a mess.

 

[PauliePeppas]

So the best I can discern is that we have a real mess on our hands.

Behind the scenes, there are power struggles taking place for all three positions currently open. Chancelor, AD and MBB.

There seem to be competing factions at each position, and there seems to be a clear direction for what I would say is “Team Lally”…which appears to be involved in all three.

Their slate of candidates appear to be:
Chancellor Haynie
AD Lyke
Coach Hodgson
(The last two for sure, not sure about Haynie)

They are opposed on Lyke by some very influential FB supporters.

And they are opposed on Hodgson by Team Melo.(Hop)
Melo will not be outspent here.

I don’t know how this is all going to fall out, but I think Haynie is going to be a winner here.

The AD situation is too close to call.

As is the MBB coach.

The overarching picture here is the Lally’s attempt to consolidate control. I don’t think they’re going to stop until the school is renamed Lally University @ Syracuse.

Let’s just say their name above Melo’s on the basketball facility has been “duly noted”.

I think a Hop - Lyke result would be somewhat of a potential compromise.

As Dash has noted, I don’t see anyway the Lally’s support Hop, nor Melo supports Hodgson.

 

[Cusefan69]

Thursday 2am on Comedy Central

 

[phil77]

So the best I can discern is that we have a real mess on our hands.

Behind the scenes, there are power struggles taking place for all three positions currently open. Chancelor, AD and MBB.

There seem to be competing factions at each position, and there seems to be a clear direction for what I would say is “Team Lally”…which appears to be involved in all three.

Their slate of candidates appear to be:
Chancellor Haynie
AD Lyke
Coach Hodgson
(The last two for sure, not sure about Haynie)

They are opposed on Lyke by some very influential FB supporters.

And they are opposed on Hodgson by Team Melo.(Hop)
Melo will not be outspent here.

I don’t know how this is all going to fall out, but I think Haynie is going to be a winner here.

The AD situation is too close to call.

As is the MBB coach.

The overarching picture here is the Lally’s attempt to consolidate control. I don’t think they’re going to stop until the school is renamed Lally University @ Syracuse.

Let’s just say their name above Melo’s on the basketball facility has been “duly noted”.

I think a Hop - Lyke result would be somewhat of a potential compromise.

As Dash has noted, I don’t see anyway the Lally’s support Hop, nor Melo supports Hodgson.

The funny thing as they compromise, it could be the worst pairing imaginable for Syracuse University Lyke/Hopkins oh man that is so bad and out of left field.

(Nothing personal on Hopkins I know you go way back)

 

[Widget24]

So the best I can discern is that we have a real mess on our hands.

Behind the scenes, there are power struggles taking place for all three positions currently open. Chancelor, AD and MBB.

There seem to be competing factions at each position, and there seems to be a clear direction for what I would say is “Team Lally”…which appears to be involved in all three.

Their slate of candidates appear to be:
Chancellor Haynie
AD Lyke
Coach Hodgson
(The last two for sure, not sure about Haynie)

They are opposed on Lyke by some very influential FB supporters.

And they are opposed on Hodgson by Team Melo.(Hop)
Melo will not be outspent here.

I don’t know how this is all going to fall out, but I think Haynie is going to be a winner here.

The AD situation is too close to call.

As is the MBB coach.

The overarching picture here is the Lally’s attempt to consolidate control. I don’t think they’re going to stop until the school is renamed Lally University @ Syracuse.

Let’s just say their name above Melo’s on the basketball facility has been “duly noted”.

I think a Hop - Lyke result would be somewhat of a potential compromise.

As Dash has noted, I don’t see anyway the Lally’s support Hop, nor Melo supports Hodgson.

 

[Sherman20]

I was thinking along on the same lines. Would it be improper for BH to reach out to Melo? Probably yes, Red still has the job. I would have to think if BH gets the job, his first call would be to melo and try to get those assets delivered to him. Melo couldn't do that now because that would undercut Hopkins. But it just seems that and I might be wrong here, but it seems to me that Hop and Bh are minor players in this game. The real game is between the Lally's and Melo.

This is a really good insight about Hodge having the chance to sell Melo on his vision, which won’t come til after the season.

 

[qdawgg]

Maybe dasher richmondcuse03 or Bulldog04 knows have they tried to get a conversation between Hodgson and Melo to happen yet?

Or are things way too far and the line is drawn in the sand? I can't imagine Melo watching tape of Hodgson teams playing and not liking the wide open play style and freedom on offense.

That's why I've and a few others have said. Good possibility it's not just about the coach but about having wide range of access to the program and his son. I don't know anything but if I had the choice between a coach with no real success even with star players on the team and a coach with an exciting style. I know which one I'm picking. Unless... I want a level of control that no other coach would allow. Access to practices, discussions about minutes and game strategies. I might be reaching a lot but if you have someone willing to help get 30 mill for the BB program. They're going to want a lot more in return than just a say in the coach.

 

[tptcuse]

He didn’t cook the ingredients.

And Red and co didn't buy all the ingredients he wanted them to buy.

 

[kingtidge]

Yup I agree, and I am sure Hopkins and Lally have had some sort of conversations and they have so far been unable to change Lally's mind so I was wondering if BH had his chance with Melo yet, because I think that would be the massive domino.

I do agree logicistically and the optics of that conversation would be weird, but it would need to happen soon. Melo needs to hear BH pitch somehow to understand him better. It does put everyone in a strange place. BH still trying to win a conference title and Melo with Hopkins but for the betterment of Syracuse, that conversation needs to take place.

This has BOT drama and intrigue for sure...

Let's not forget, the Lally's essentially got AW jettisoned from support and he was essentially told his money was no good here, go away.

AW is not Melo by any stretch, but I have little doubt that if the Lally's want their way, they will be flexing muscle to get it.

 

[themole]

Not sure if shared in the other thread but found this survey around the AD search. I made my thoughts known about AD and the HC options. Who knows if it would make a difference but can’t hurt for everyone to jump in and put your thoughts in along with sharing with anyone in Cuse fandom.

Might be worth it’s own post to pin too for folks to see.

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Filled it out. Thx so much for posting. But I still have 20 more pages to catch up in this damned thread lol

 

[phil77]

That's why I've and a few others have said. Good possibility it's not just about the coach but about having wide range of access to the program and his son. I don't know anything but if I had the choice between a coach with no real success even with star players on the team and a coach with an exciting style. I know which one I'm picking. Unless... I want a level of control that no other coach would allow. Access to practices, discussions about minutes and game strategies. I might be reaching a lot but if you have someone willing to help get 30 mill for the BB program. They're going to want a lot more in return than just a say in the coach.

Yup I have been saying that this 30+ million and push for Hopkins isn't coming so Kiyan can be bench or play 10 minutes a game and not be featured. There will be 100% strings attached. We always joked we run our basketball program like an AAU team, not it will not be just like that with parents paying for their kids' playing time.