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[Bulldog04]

Maybe dasher richmondcuse03 or Bulldog04 knows have they tried to get a conversation between Hodgson and Melo to happen yet?

Or are things way too far and the line is drawn in the sand? I can't imagine Melo watching tape of Hodgson teams playing and not liking the wide open play style and freedom on offense.

Hodgson is in the middle of the season for another team that he coaches. We gotta use some common sense here folks about this whole process

Melo is going to support everyone but he’s going to support Hop more

 

[dasher]

I know some BOT members. They care as much as we do. They make mistakes. Just like all of us do.

 

[Sherman20]

Word is the money is growing. Yikes.

Where was all this money for this year?!?

 

[Blanko97]

Since we’re all having fun with hypotheticals.

Would the bot decisionmakers have picked 39 year old unproven Fran Brown 2 years ago if he was interviewing against the equivalent of a Mike Hopkins type hire with the same larger bankroll and former player support?

My gut tells me that Fran Brown would’ve never set foot in the dome and the Mike Hopkins type football HC would’ve been hired before Babers had a chance to pack up his office.

What are you even talking about? We don’t have a Mike Hopkins like candidate because we would’ve never hired a coach with a losing overall HC record. Also, we don’t even know if Fran is a good hire yet

 

[BomberOrange]

If Hop is the coach they better at least keep Alex Kline. I don’t trust Hops judge for talent either. Too defensive focused.

Alex didn’t exactly hit it out of the park this year

 

[dasher]

Hodgson is in the middle of the season for another team that he coaches. We gotta use some common sense here folks about this whole process

Melo is going to support everyone but he’s going to support more

I think he can do more than one thing at a time. He wants this job badly. My issue would be the appearance of it more than if he has the time for it.

 

[Cusefan0307]

If SU gets $30+ million up front for three years you don’t stop fundraising for three years. The money should’t dry up and who knows what three years looks like down the road. All Kiyan’s hs coaches said Melo did not interfere and was great to deal with. People saying there must be guarantees for Kiyan are only speculating. I don’t know what the hiring process is going to look like, but I would guess everyone wants to win. I think we should all chill a little and sees what happens. Obviously, Hop had inconsistent results, but winning 27 games in one year isn’t nothing. Anyone we hire is a crapshoot. There are no guarantees. Hop and Hogsden both cause me some concerns. If we have this kind of potential money it would open the door to a lot of coaches.

The problem with Hop is his basketball philosophy stinks.

With 30 million the expectations should be we go 27-4 next season and be a top 3 seed. Ask UK what spending that money got them this year. They’re miserable.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Alex didn’t exactly hit it out of the park this year

He didn’t cook the ingredients.

 

[Widget24]

Alex didn’t exactly hit it out of the park this year

Alex can only do so much when it's Red who has the final say on who to offer.

 

[Sherman20]

Hodgson is in the middle of the season for another team that he coaches. We gotta use some common sense here folks about this whole process

That’s the one thing that makes me feel better. Hodge, like any good coach, is fully focused on this season and this team he’s coaching. When USF’s season is over, which will be weeks away, then he’ll get to make his case (if he in fact wants the job). I just hope Wildhack and whoever’s involved in this decision gives him a full chance to make his case, because I think he’ll blow them out of the water.

 

[OburgOrange]

I am sure I could but I am not going to spend one second looking it up. I have been
on this board all day with this stuff and quite frankly, I'm tired.

Where’s your level 5 energy?

 

[dasher]

Alex didn’t exactly hit it out of the park this year

I think he did a pretty good job. We were more held back by the two guys that we kept. One got hurt when we needed him most and the other had erratic play. Kingz was an excellent addition. As was Kyle. Even Betsey for what we wanted of him. The miss was on the pt guard. And some of that might have been his usage.

 

[phil77]

I was thinking along on the same lines. Would it be improper for BH to reach out to Melo? Probably yes, Red still has the job. I would have to think if BH gets the job, his first call would be to melo and try to get those assets delivered to him. Melo couldn't do that now because that would undercut Hopkins. But it just seems that and I might be wrong here, but it seems to me that Hop and Bh are minor players in this game. The real game is between the Lally's and Melo.

Yup I agree, and I am sure Hopkins and Lally have had some sort of conversations and they have so far been unable to change Lally's mind so I was wondering if BH had his chance with Melo yet, because I think that would be the massive domino.

I do agree logicistically and the optics of that conversation would be weird, but it would need to happen soon. Melo needs to hear BH pitch somehow to understand him better. It does put everyone in a strange place. BH still trying to win a conference title and Melo with Hopkins but for the betterment of Syracuse, that conversation needs to take place.

 

[dasher]

Where’s your level 5 energy?

I'm 70 and right now, with all of the phone calls and emails, it's at level -10

 

[Cooper05]

Gallo from Merrimack

I think he is a very good coach and someone I would definitely think about! Has won two conference championships with two different teams in two different conferences. He is a winner! Someone is going to be very happy when they hire him in my opinion.

 

[ScriptCuse]

Anyone know when the hell we play again?

Thursday 2am on Comedy Central

 

[RedtheGOB]

I am pretty confidant that it is. I hope and wish what you are implying is or was true. But I think personalities are involved here. And people wanting to win. And not on the basketball court. Let's put it this way, if the money wasn't just tied to Hopkins, this would be a ridiculously easy choice.

Funny you mention the personalties. I just keep thinking about Hop and BH interviewing with the board and decisionmakers.

You got 38 year old BH who’s an up and comer that checks a lot of boxes but is more of a wildcard. Then the next interview is 56 year old Hop who is as close to a the traditional Company Man in the Cuse machine as you can get.

I’ve seen these scenarios play out in the corporate world a lot. The younger up and comer does not get hired over the company man unless said company is on the verge of total collapse.

I think everyone here would argue that the hoops program is indeed on the verge of collapse so it should be a no brainer.

I worry that the decisionmakers may not be there yet admitting to themselves that things are truly in the toilet as much as they are.

 

[phil77]

I think he can do more than one thing at a time. He wants this job badly. My issue would be the appearance of it more than if he has the time for it.

I don't think it has to be a big deal, just a 10-15 minute conversation. I think Melo needs to get a sense of BH as a person because, for Melo, it is personal with his son involved. He trusted Red and he trusts Hop.


And big interviews happen all the time now during the season. Last year, most hires were done before March Madness happened, at least all under the table, and they were not announced before their teams were eleminated but most of the stuff we are talking about on the board now was probably done about this time last year.

 

[Jake]

So the best I can discern is that we have a real mess on our hands.

Behind the scenes, there are power struggles taking place for all three positions currently open. Chancellor, AD and MBB.

There seem to be competing factions at each position, and there seems to be a clear direction for what I would say is “Team Lally”…which appears to be involved in all three.

Their slate of candidates appear to be:
Chancellor Haynie
AD Lyke
Coach Hodgson
(The last two for sure, not sure about Haynie)

They are opposed on Lyke by some very influential FB supporters.

And they are opposed on Hodgson by Team Melo.(Hop)
Melo will not be outspent here.

I don’t know how this is all going to fall out, but I think Haynie is going to be a winner here.

The AD situation is too close to call.

As is the MBB coach.

The overarching picture here is the Lally’s attempt to consolidate control. I don’t think they’re going to stop until the school is renamed Lally University @ Syracuse.

Let’s just say their name above Melo’s on the basketball facility has been “duly noted”.

I think a Hop - Lyke result would be somewhat of a potential compromise.

As Dash has noted, I don’t see anyway the Lally’s support Hop, nor Melo supports Hodgson.

 

[RedtheGOB]

What are you even talking about? We don’t have a Mike Hopkins like candidate because we would’ve never hired a coach with a losing overall HC record. Also, we don’t even know if Fran is a good hire yet

I could go into what the word hypothetical means but I’ll leave that to one of the more experienced insiders here.

 

[phil77]

Alex didn’t exactly hit it out of the park this year

I think Alex did OK his big miss was Hill but to be fair that is a massive miss as he cost a ton of NIL. I think JJ was a Red thing so I don't hold that against him. The rest of the players are pretty solid.

 

[Scooch]

FWIW, Melo's history with head coaches is checkered, to say the least.

Had a lot of success in Denver with George Karl, but then decided he couldn't play for him anymore.

Forced the trade to the Knicks where he promptly burned through Mike D'Antoni, Mike Woodson, Derek Fisher and Jeff Hornacek.

Then was a journeyman the rest of his career.

I love Melo for all he has done for SU. And he's one of the all-time great scorers. But he doesn't know what makes a great coach or how to run an elite college basketball program. Money is one aspect of that, but there are many, many other aspects.

 

[Jasoncuse]

bc his son needs a zone, is what im thinking

and hop is one of the few zone coaches roaming around

Kiyan can’t play zone either. Doesn’t have the length for the back line or the quickness/effort for the top of the zone.

 

[dasher]

So the best I can discern is that we have a real mess on our hands.

Behind the scenes, there are power struggles taking place for all three positions currently open. Chancelor, AD and MBB.

There seem to be competing factions at each position, and there seems to be a clear direction for what I would say is “Team Lally”…which appears to be involved in all three.

Their slate of candidates appear to be:
Chancellor Haynie
AD Lyke
Coach Hodgson
(The last two for sure, not sure about Haynie)

They are opposed on Lyke by some very influential FB supporters.

And they are opposed on Hodgson by Team Melo.(Hop)
Melo will not be outspent here.

I don’t know how this is all going to fall out, but I think Haynie is going to be a winner here.

The AD situation is too close to call.

As is the MBB coach.

The overarching picture here is the Lally’s attempt to consolidate control. I don’t think they’re going to stop until the school is renamed Lally University @ Syracuse.

Let’s just say their name above Melo’s on the basketball facility has been “duly noted”.

I think a Hop - Lyke result would be somewhat of a potential compromise.

As Dash has noted, I don’t see anyway the Lally’s support Hop, nor Melo supports Hodgson.

What a great summery Jake. I think you nailed it. God help us. And to say it again, what a mess.

 

[PauliePeppas]

So the best I can discern is that we have a real mess on our hands.

Behind the scenes, there are power struggles taking place for all three positions currently open. Chancelor, AD and MBB.

There seem to be competing factions at each position, and there seems to be a clear direction for what I would say is “Team Lally”…which appears to be involved in all three.

Their slate of candidates appear to be:
Chancellor Haynie
AD Lyke
Coach Hodgson
(The last two for sure, not sure about Haynie)

They are opposed on Lyke by some very influential FB supporters.

And they are opposed on Hodgson by Team Melo.(Hop)
Melo will not be outspent here.

I don’t know how this is all going to fall out, but I think Haynie is going to be a winner here.

The AD situation is too close to call.

As is the MBB coach.

The overarching picture here is the Lally’s attempt to consolidate control. I don’t think they’re going to stop until the school is renamed Lally University @ Syracuse.

Let’s just say their name above Melo’s on the basketball facility has been “duly noted”.

I think a Hop - Lyke result would be somewhat of a potential compromise.

As Dash has noted, I don’t see anyway the Lally’s support Hop, nor Melo supports Hodgson.