Coach Search Options after Autry

[Ozone!]

My concern is that there's no real process, just cliques doing their own thing and fighting for control.

That is way to common in dysfunctional organizational structures throughout America, including college and universities!

 

[MSOrange]

They're humans being who are subject to the same biases and flaws that we all have.

The issue is that, without a rigorous process led by someone universally respected, those biases and flaws may yield a lousy outcome.

My concern is that there's no real process, just cliques doing their own thing and fighting for control.

It's always fun to compare the SU selection process to when I ran for 3rd grade class president.

 

[Bayside44]

I've said multiple times JW handled the politics on the hill perfectly. What we're seeing is a peek behind the curtain.

100%

 

[Ozone!]

Same. Paying a consultant although prob expensive takes the burden off the board members annoying one side or another. I don't see how the Consultant doesn't advise against Lyke either.

Either way votes are votes. There may be people voting outside the facts blaring in their face.

They have to avoid the trap of appearing ro come out against women and making it clear that they are moving against incompetence by any administrator.

 

[Fly Rodder]

It's funny that there's all this hand wringing by the old guard about how Syracuse is a poor school that couldn't possibly compete with other schools and their coterie of billionaires for premier coaching hires, staff and players.

A few weeks later and SU has ... a coterie of billionaires and multi-millionaires jockeying to influence hires to key positions. Unfortunately, they are not premier coaches and staff but retreads, friends, and other schools' problems.

Syracuse isn't a poor school, they just make poor decisions.

 

[Sherman20]

I’m guessing this whole mess is the exact thing some of our insiders were insinuating when they said there wasn’t as much interest fo this job as one would think.

I don’t know. I think that was overblown. I wonder if some of that is fueled by expectations that we could land a current accommplished P5 coach who is looking for a change of scenery. I have a feeling that some of them think that tip mid-major coaches are beneath us.

 

[kingtidge]

It's always fun to compare the SU selection process to when I ran for 3rd grade class president.

Was that the campaign where you promised a free Crayola 64 box for every 3rd grade class student??

Genius... until you told your mom you needed 168 Crayola 64 boxes.

 

[CuseBlood44]

I’m done reading this thread. Not sure where these insiders are getting their sources from, but I went directly to Lally on X. He gave me permission to share the following:

 

[FrancoPizza]

Could be the reason they go with Lyke. Too much uncertainty and a bigger need to focus on coach and Chancellor roles. Make it easy and use who is right there?

Chancellor maybe? But the AD is far more critical to the future of sports on the hill… if any.

 

[orange79]

I’m done reading this thread. Not sure where these insiders are getting their sources from, but I went directly to Lally on X. He gave me permission to share the following:

Just what I would expect them to say...

 

[NKR1978]

I’m done reading this thread. Not sure where these insiders are getting their sources from, but I went directly to Lally on X. He gave me permission to share the following:

It would be hilarious if the 75 pages are just based on speculation and rumor.

 

[FrancoPizza]

I’m done reading this thread. Not sure where these insiders are getting their sources from, but I went directly to Lally on X. He gave me permission to share the following:

C'mon. That just reads like a canned reply. What do you expect them to say?

 

[sufan59]

Ok, who is this? I love the intensity!

 

[IthacaMatt]

The Acedemics arnt getting better until everyone realizes USNews are narrative pushing hacks.

We could become Ivy Level over night, but because we lack a med school and aren't artificially selective, we won't move up.

While that's a nice thought, many of SU's best students (and those paying full tuition) are foreign students. SU has lost a lot of those applicants, which is going to drive down average SAT scores and selectivity.

SU also relies on too many adjunct professors and pays them terrible money.
Those professors don't publish, and many of them don't teach at SU for very long.
That also hurts the reputational score, and won't be fixed anytime soon.

 

[Sbucketball]

They have to avoid the trap of appearing ro come out against women and making it clear that they are moving against incompetence by any administrator.

In no world would not hiring Heather Lyke, who was fired by Pitt, be interpreted as anti-female. If anyone claims that after the hire, they're a troll.

 

[Hawknate144]

While that's a nice thought, many of SU's best students (and those paying full tuition) are foreign students. SU has lost a lot of those applicants, which is going to drive down average SAT scores and selectivity.

SU also relies on too many adjunct professors and pays them terrible money.
Those professors don't publish, and many of them don't teach at SU for very long.
That also hurts the reputational score, and won't be fixed anytime soon.

This is also true, my USnews complaints are not just about SU.
And yeah the Foreign problem is an issue for a lot of colleges and it's not being fixed for at least 3 more years.
The adjunct professors and such, yeah that's an issue.

 

[Hawknate144]

They have to avoid the trap of appearing ro come out against women and making it clear that they are moving against incompetence by any administrator.

She literally has massive Title IX allegations against her administration, there is more to being pro women than hiring a woman.

 

[OrangeFoo]

While that's a nice thought, many of SU's best students (and those paying full tuition) are foreign students. SU has lost a lot of those applicants, which is going to drive down average SAT scores and selectivity.

SU also relies on too many adjunct professors and pays them terrible money.
Those professors don't publish, and many of them don't teach at SU for very long.
That also hurts the reputational score, and won't be fixed anytime soon.

Not to get too doom and gloom... but we're all whistling dixie while the iceberg looms ahead.

With the new grads job crash and the impending white collar job crash I suspect these 200+ threads will be a fond memory of a "better time".

 

[richmondcuse03]

It would be hilarious if the 75 pages are just based on speculation and rumor.

I mean, it's a message board...

 

[Willy75]

The Acedemics arnt getting better until everyone realizes USNews are narrative pushing hacks.

We could become Ivy Level over night, but because we lack a med school and aren't artificially selective, we won't move up.

Upstate and by extension NYS will never allow SU to resurrect its med school. Way too many well paid bureaucrats would vociferously object.

 

[DilemaCuse]

Agree! And I probably could do a better job of expressing it, but my point is there is no empirical evidence that Hodgson, with a TBD roster, can beat the Duke, UNC, Virginia and Louisville level teams he would be facing here. Very well possible he can, but without the evidence I can’t necessarily say missing out on him would be an abject failure or that he is the only one of the rumored candidates that should be considered. And we tried the faith without evidence thing, didn’t we?

My thoughts are Hodgson is using the Nate Oats blueprint, philosophy, analytics.

Oats won at UB, beat SU, went to Alabama, by January of his 2nd year, Alabama got into the Top 10 and became a bona fide Final 4 contender from that point and nearly every year since. Competing with Kentucky, Pearl at Auburn, Barnes at Tenny.

Hodgson has shown quality at every stop. This looks like pretty good evidence to promote him to a P4 job compared to a failed retread who nobody but SU is knocking down his door for, sans maybe BC.

To me there is no comparison if you take the feelings and fond memories from 10 years ago out of the equation.

 

[Hawknate144]

Upstate and by extension NYS will never allow SU to resurrect its med school. Way too many well paid bureaucrats would vociferously object.

Well yeah, in no way am I implying we should get a med school, because that's not happening.

 

[GoCuse14]

I'm on page 182 with no end in sight.
Seriously guys, I'm currently in a non legal state. I'm gonna run out of pot wayyy before I get caught up on this thread. Either help me find a connection in Fort Myers, or hire a basketball coach already

Luckily, I left Saudi Arabia yesterday for a weekend getaway in Bahrain. I have room serviced enough beers to get through this...I think. My wife is bringing the other stuff you speak of when she picks me up at the airport when I get back to the states in early May. Shes a keeper.

 

[sufan59]

My thoughts are Hodgson is using the Nate Oats blueprint, philosophy, analytics.

Oats won at UB, beat SU, went to Alabama, by January of his 2nd year, Alabama got into the Top 10 and became a bona fide Final 4 contender from that point and nearly every year since. Competing with Kentucky, Pearl at Auburn, Barnes at Tenny.

Hodgson has shown quality at every stop. This looks like pretty good evidence to promote him to a P4 job compared to a failed retread who nobody but SU is knocking down his door for, sans maybe BC.

To me there is no comparison if you take the feelings and fond memories from 10 years ago out of the equation.

Same offensive concepts, but I do think Hodgson is putting a lot of emphasis to be more than just 1 dimensional. You can tell he is putting a lot of emphasis on improving the defensive side of the ball. Much easier to push tempo when you have a good defensive causing turnovers.

 

[Orangello]

It would be hilarious if the 75 pages are just based on speculation and rumor.

Don't forget innuendo. He's roommates with speculation and rumor.