Coach Search Options after Autry

[orangepassion]

Hodgson has us over a barrel if it's him and gmac and no other candidates. He knows or has heard a large portion of the fan base will riot if it's gmac. He's highly intelligent.

He shouldn't. I like him, but there's other guys w/ similar resumes out there who have been mentioned here and IF (purely speculation) he presses his luck, he might regret it.

 

[SanDiegoCuse]

Hodgson
Calhoun(yes I know he’s going to Cincy)
Martelli Jr
Olen

 

[djorange1989]

Id be thrilled with a Calhoun or martelli, want no part of Holloway.

Yep. I don’t think Calhoun is happening no matter what happens with BH, but he is great and Martelli has done great in his 3 years. BH is still my top choice however

 

[rrlbees]

Nobody said it was a question that wouldn't be asked. Ever. Not one poster.

You suggested that NIL constraints might be a disqualifier for Hodgson, which is counter to the handshake agreement that was in place when you were attempting to make that claim.

Hodgson is a hot commodity. He's asking for more, the same way that anyone who is offered a job makes a counter-offer. His asking for more isn't a red flag. The dysfunction behind the scenes is.

But now that things are in shambles behind the scenes, the adults need to take control and not let politics submarine things.

here's what sent you sideways and you started changing what it said with claims like insurmountable, circular logic, excuses, etc. which weren't said. how you got all that from a simple statement that coaches would ask about nil is beyond me. now go check your replies. or i could do it for you.

"its not an issue to everyone. but it is a question. as it should be. nil that is. not the revenue sharing."

 

[RF2044]

um, we can see a posts history. you had 5 versions to soften a couple things you were wrong on.

Bees, that is a completely disinegenious, BS claim you are making. That exchange was 5-7 days ago. Everything I said, I meant -- including that resources would not be an inhibiting factor for a HC, that we didn't have to "settle" for a cheaper in-house coach because we couldn't afford anybody else [which is what I characterized as old guard logic], and that an agreement was in place with Hodgson's representation behind the scenes, which signified that NIL / revenue share wasn't an obstacle. Time will tell whether I am right about that, but I stand by that info I reported.

And to be 100% clear, everything I edited was edited a week ago, in real time, DURING OUR EXCHANGE. If you want to double check anything, go double check that. I didn't go back and change anything outside of the timeframe where we were having those discussions. I edit my posts all the time, to clean up language or make editorial change. That's all I did. 5 edits could just be about punctuation changes in a long post, or cleaning up messy phrasing.

I don't know what you are claiming I "softened." And also, I look back on those posts, and it seems like a boatload of posters seemed to agree with me, and virtually none agreed with you.

So...

You seem to be pedanticlly focused on whether a coaching candidate would ask about resources. Duh. My point was that resources were not a systemic issue. Now, if Lally somehow takes his ball and goes home due to recent developments [i.e., the AD hire not favoring his preferred candidate], that might change. But that's a recent development, and the notion that I went back and made a bunch of changes to past posts to alter my original point is patently false.

 

[Guinness]

Yeah, this is a very concerning time. If we can't get a coach from the American Conference and lose him to an average to poor Big East team, our program is toast. There's literally no point to following them anymore if we aren't any better than that.

This program is closer to being toast than most of us are comfortable admitting. It’s been nearly a decade of irrelevance in basketball. If they don’t nail this next head coach hire, it could be over. They’ve already lost an entire generation of young fans, and they’re in real danger of losing even more.

 

[Scotch]

Just a thought but we're in this weird territory where we have Syracuse insiders and decisionmakers that may be pushing Providence narratives to get Gmac in over BH too.

Narratives like BH is just passing through and comes with baggage and is already making demands and how do we know his allegiances when he's already talking about PC. Meanwhile Gmac doesn't come with alot of that, pretty much ask and he's here for alot less money.

I'm exaggerating of course but just saying we have to consider we have a divided fanbase between these 2 picks. It is cool that they both made the tourney though. Strange times.

We aren’t that divided. Don’t galaxy brain this.

 

[sufan59]

I love it! It's been impressive. As the noise about him has gotten louder, his team has responded looking even better.

 

[kingtidge]

Hodgson has us over a barrel if it's him and gmac and no other candidates. He knows or has heard a large portion of the fan base will riot if it's gmac. He's highly intelligent.

This is where Blair earns his scratch hopefully... an actual search with contingency options and a ranked checklist of candidates so it's not Hodg bust then Gmac only...

 

[phil77]

Can you imagine Syracuse, which is a top 10 or 15 program of all time? Doing a national search. Having their #1 target also be the hottest coach on the market, and not only that, but that coach wanting to come here and then not getting it done?

Like everything has aligned for this even them playing in Buffalo so he is back home near Syracuse. I just can't believe that at the end of the day, the deal doesn't get done.

Also, all that doesn't mean Hodgson is a slam dunk success and will win big here, but making correct hires like this at the right time will lead to you making the correct decision more times than not.

 

[phil77]

Not rumors about Providence

 

[RyanCuse44]

Can you imagine Syracuse, which is a top 10 or 15 program of all time? Doing a national search. Having their #1 target also be the hottest coach on the market, and not only that, but that coach wanting to come here and then not getting it done?

Like everything has aligned for this even them playing in Buffalo so he is back home near Syracuse. I just can't believe that at the end of the day, the deal doesn't get done.

Also, all that doesn't mean Hodgson is a slam dunk success and will win big here, but making correct hires like this at the right time will lead to you making the correct decision more times than not.

Just curious but where is his wife from? I think she went to college at Alabama.

 

[RedtheGOB]

Not rumors about Providence

If I were a USF fan I'd be like he gone. There's no real way to say it better though.

 

[Bill Orange]

Just curious but where is his wife from? I think she went to college at Alabama.

Not his wife yet, per the Bulls site:

Hodgson and his fiancée, Jordan, have a son, Jett, who was born in 2024.

 

[rrlbees]

Bees, that is a completely disinegenious, BS claim you are making. That exchange was 5-7 days ago. Everything I said, I meant -- including that resources would not be an inhibiting factor for a HC, that we didn't have to "settle" for a cheaper in-house coach because we couldn't afford anybody else [which is what I characterized as old guard logic], and that an agreement was in place with Hodgson's representation behind the scenes, which signified that NIL / revenue share wasn't an obstacle. Time will tell whether I am right about that, but I stand by that info I reported.

And to be 100% clear, everything I edited was edited a week ago, in real time, DURING OUR EXCHANGE. If you want to double check anything, go double check that. I didn't go back and change anything outside of the timeframe where we were having those discussions. I edit my posts all the time, to clean up language or make editorial change. That's all I did. 5 edits could just be about punctuation changes in a long post, or cleaning up messy phrasing.

I don't know what you are claiming I "softened." And also, I look back on those posts, and it seems like a boatload of posters seemed to agree with me, and virtually none agreed with you.

So...

You seem to be pedanticlly focused on whether a coaching candidate would ask about resources. Duh. My point was that resources were not a systemic issue. Now, if Lally somehow takes his ball and goes home due to recent developments [i.e., the AD hire not favoring his preferred candidate], that might change. But that's a recent development, and the notion that I went back and made a bunch of changes to past posts to alter my original point is patently false.

you use a lot of words to make things up. I'm talking about the post you made 1 hour ago in response to me.

and if its "duh" about me saying the question would be asked, then when i said it, why did you go off the rails writing novels and using plots i never even mentioned. so finally your duh means you agree with it.

 

[Scotch]

This is where Blair earns his scratch hopefully... an actual search with contingency options and a ranked checklist of candidates so it's not Hodg bust then Gmac only...

Apparently he’s still in Toledo and not even focusing on this until April

 

[35kcuse]

I think that the national scope of collegiate basketball sees us as the favorite. Maybe not Trilly Donovan but my point is if we were let’s say Oregon fans and we were in tune with college basketball, we would all be assuming he’s coming here. Not that that means anything.

 

[richmondcuse03]

Just curious but where is his wife from? I think she went to college at Alabama.

She is a '21 grad from Alabama. Appears to have grown up in Alabama.

 

[kingtidge]

Apparently he’s still in Toledo and not even focusing on this until April

yeah, i'm sure he won't be involved and his comment saying it would be a "collaborative effort" means he's only doing only toledo biz until april...

From the Chris Carlson article: "When [Blair was] asked if that meant the basketball coach would be his hire, Blair said the hiring process would be a collaborative effort."

 

[Scotch]

yeah, i'm sure he won't be involved and his comment saying it would be a "collaborative decision" means he's only doing only toledo biz until april

I’m just saying based on what people have said, this still seems like JW and the Lallys show.

 

[richmondcuse03]

She is a '21 grad from Alabama. Appears to have grown up in Alabama.

Appears this is her. She started out at Jax State and transferred. Her brother played for Hodgson at Bama too (Riley Norris).

Jordan Norris - Women's Basketball - Jacksonville State University Athletics

Jordan Norris (5) Guard/Forward - HIGH SCHOOL: Spent four years at Albertville High School before concluding her prep career with a two-year stint at Hillcrest-Tuscaloosa

jaxstatesports.com

 

[Acesn8s]

Lets play hypothetical

Providence is offering 5-year, 25-million-dollar contract and a 14-million-dollar NIL year 1
-and-
Syracuse is offering 5-year 25 million contract and a $12 million dollar NIL deal year 1

Would you still pick Providence or would you say if it is that close I will take Syracuse and if I turn around Syracuse and we start to win again that 12 million dollars is more stable and could expand? Whereas I am not sure the Providence number will ever get bigger and maybe a 1 year push only?

I’d say Syracuse of course, but people knocking that Providence job are delusional, they have $$, they have some great facilities, they have a passionate fan base, and they are in a much smaller, easier conference, St. John’s I think is only as good as long as Rick Pitino lasts and he is in his last few seasons, Georgetown is terrible, Nova is mediocre so u compete with UConn and the rest have no NIL.

 

[orangeman410]

What if this is all just a giant smokescreen so they can announce the 2nd all-time most winning college basketball coach is coming out of retirement for his 48th season to resurrect the program he built.:..tell me that wouldn’t be the most Syracuse like move ever

 

[cuseguy]

Waiting for someone here to pass along solid information. Most of what we know is just speculation based on rumors and hearsay. Providence is in this race because they’re tired of being a distant stepchild to UConn. When your neighboring school is winning national titles, it only makes sense that you’re going to up your game. It’s time that SU gets serious, too. Let’s see if that is true.

 

[Jake]

The number that coaches are looking for at SU is total roster $ in the $10-$12M range annually. Maybe a bit less, but not much. Figure 3-4M of it is Rev Share, the rest is NIL. It’s not a small lift. That would put top 5 ish in ACC. Barely upper half SEC/B1G.

It’s more than we spent this past year and about 3x what was spent 2 years ago.