Coach Search Options after Autry

[Irt4su]

If we are looking to keep it in the family, has anyone thought about Red Autry? He has head coaching experience, asst coach under some big names and knocks em dead in interviews. Brings with him an experienced coaching staff and we could hit a homerun in the portal if we get that Lefew kid. Maybe we hire his coach too to install an amazing defense

 

[djorange1989]

The more I have read about Martelli, the more I hope he gets an interview.

And don't worry everyone, he has three children, is married and none of them were out of wedlock. Let us pray.

Does he drink warm milk before bed?

 

[Briancuse]

If we are looking to keep it in the family, has anyone thought about Red Autry? He has head coaching experience, asst coach under some big names and knocks em dead in interviews. Brings with him an experienced coaching staff and we could hit a homerun in the portal if we get that Lefew kid. Maybe we hire his coach too to install an amazing defense

Lol

 

[DilemaCuse]

Ok folks here you go and this is confirmed information from probably the closest person to the program on the donor side -

They aren’t hiring Hop. Even with all the money in the world and support he’s getting, the university knows they can get over the Washington record so that’s out.

However, they are trying to get the Same group of donors that were backing hop to back Gmac. They want Blackwell as well as the 1-2 punch. And they think that is their best way to raise money and basically anyone outside of the family has no shot to raise any sort of money because they don’t know anyone in the community

They are interviewing Hurley this week and a few other “outsiders” that even the university wouldn’t share with this donor

The financials are rough. Really rough. They are asking for sums of money that are literally astronomical and hiring a coach is going to be very hard because of how bad it truly is.

All the players on the team have the intention to come back. Mainly bc they have ZERO offers from other schools. Nate George has an offer from Kentucky and that’s it. Obviously it will be up to the new coach on what to do with the roster.

Have fun

Financials as in coaches salaries or payroll for the roster? Or both

 

[Nicknack]

Ok I’m 80 and not to bright. If SU is in that horrible of a financial mess it’s already over. The team needs a new coach and make a big splash in the portal. No money no. Players, no chance. I’ve lost enough sleep over this mess. If I’m still on this side of the grass when the dust settles, maybe we’ll be in OZ

Nice. I hope I make to 80 and if I do am still finding it worthwhile to post on this board. Beautiful!

SU isn't in a financial mess.

It's just not a natural NIL fit like some other places. NIL generally revolves around a few guys with money to burn, not broad based fundraising to normies that want to pay for athletes.

Great point, Bayside.

The thing that sucks is that if our NIL is as bad as people are saying who cares who the coach is? We’re toast.

Whatch-u-talkin about Willis? That's when coaching REALLY matters.

 

[phil77]

Financials as in coaches salaries or payroll for the roster? Or both

Second part

 

[Cusefan0307]

So we don’t have any NIL, but we might with Gerry, but Gerry might have to make miracles with no money, and if he doesn’t win we will have less than 0 NIL next year because the little NIL we have will go bye bye because they are sick of lighting money on fire.

I think any coach would be nuts to take this job going through this based on a multitude of factors. Have tryouts at Archbold and see if we can contend with BC for the basement while we save money for a couple of years. I’m sure we can get Devo to coach in this scenario.

 

[Ernj]

Totally different scenario, Lyke's reputation was already a major issue and how close she actually was to the job is severely disputed.

Sorry. Bad joke

 

[BigNastyJon]

I asked this a few weeks ago: what’s the appeal with Skinn? I don’t know much about him.

 

[phil77]

I asked this a few weeks ago: what’s the appeal with Skinn? I don’t know much about him.

Elite defensive metrics

 

[Briancuse]

I asked this a few weeks ago: what’s the appeal with Skinn? I don’t know much about him.

It protects the body against bacteria, o that skinn. Would prefer martelli, i guess we could do worse.

 

[JeremyCuse]

I agree, but when you say the university has to “cultivate additional outside NIL dollars”, what the hell have they been doing for the past four years? It’s always the same at SU, they’re always 4-5 years behind the curve. It’s their MO.

Im not in the business of blindly supporting the SU administration but there's only so many major donors to go around. Syracuse has increased its major donor base and has more coming in now then ever. However, in the current landscape its still not enough and some of those major donors are essentially football only.

They need to try and get more from the general fanbase and business community. The truth is there's only so much $$ they can generate and most schools are in much worse shape.

 

[orangepassion]

The money is coming in, it's going to football and some to bball. Uconn hired a guy that absolutely no one else wanted that's why he went there, Candle has been at Toledo for years and hasn't gotten a sniff at a Power 5 job.

Syracuse and the Admin understand that fball drives the bus, they could easily cut half the football NIL resources and have Hodgson here in a heartbeat but it would make zero sense. SU has to continue to try and cultivate additional outside NIL dollars and the fanbase has to understand the fiscal reality of where the University is.

How does Duke do it?

 

[DilemaCuse]

Correct - the athletic office believes Gmac is the best option for raising money and putting butts in seats to generate revenue. They are terrified to bring in someone else in fear that a new coach that no one knows will basically have 3000 people show up to the first 10 games

So we're focusing on attendance in Nov and Dec but not playing meaningful games in March.

Not directed at you Bulldog but this school is soo dumb. And the financials, how are they so bad where did all the revenue from all the successful years go? Red burn it all up? Or all the good years bball revenue moved over to football support?

 

[Sherman20]

I’m glad I’m in Hawaii on vacation right now relaxing on a beach. But it’s still hard to fully tune out all this depressing Syracuse basketball news. My cousins are texting me to ask about all the rumors (Huggy, lol) and if I know anything, so it’s also difficult to fully ignore. At this point, I have no idea what’s really going on after the BH bombshell yesterday, and so I’ll just be really annoyed when I get home next week. Until then, mahalo for all the info being shared!

 

[JeremyCuse]

If they ever want to have a high-level basketball program again, it is a cycle they have to break. The NIL funds for basketball will continue to go in a downward trend as long as we continue to put a losing product on the court. Nobody wants to dump money into a loser program. Last year, they pumped one-time money into a program for Red, and if he won then there would be money again, but since Red is a bad coach he didn't win, so the money isn't there.

It is a cycle that someone is going to have to break. Fran did it and got money for McCord won a bunch of games and scored a ton of points now the NIL funds, even after a down year is still coming in. Basketball needs to break the cycle once. Hire a great coach with great basketball systems give him the money he needs once and see what happens. If it turns around and we start winning again then the money will start coming in again.

I dont necessarily disagree and SU is more then willing to make the salary commitments needed. Issue is the outside NIL money, you cant break the cycle with IOUs or state bailouts, its gotta come from somewhere and right now it doesn't exist.

 

[Briancuse]

Correct - the athletic office believes Gmac is the best option for raising money and putting butts in seats to generate revenue. They are terrified to bring in someone else in fear that a new coach that no one knows will basically have 3000 people show up to the first 10 games

And that's why we are in the predicament that we are in.

 

[phil77]

If we don't have money and are going to struggle with funding until we start to win, then our best chance to do more with less is to have an elite offensive coach and try to outscore everyone.

In a conference like ACC, when we won't have the top-shelf elite talent, a defensive first team will just get overwhelmed more times than not. The top half of the league would just be bigger, faster, stronger, and trying ot hang with that on a nightly basis by just playing defense will not work IMO. That is why I will lean towards someone who has an elite offense system or philosophy. Defensive first unless you have extreme talent will not win at the P4 level on a regular basis. And it seems at least while we start this back up we will not have the NIL to buy the elite level talent.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

How does Duke do it?

 

[TommyA13]

Get me PMJ and I’m happy

 

[phil77]

I dont necessarily disagree and SU is more then willing to make the salary commitments needed. Issue is the outside NIL money, you cant break the cycle with IOUs or state bailouts, its gotta come from somewhere and right now it doesn't exist.

Right I wasn't talking about SU directly I am just saying like with Fran/McCord someone, a booster or whoever has to step up and get it done for basketball to get the momentum going. It looks like they tried it last year just with the wrong wrong wrong coach.

 

[JeremyCuse]

The more I have read about Martelli, the more I hope he gets an interview.

And don't worry everyone, he has three children, is married and none of them were out of wedlock. Let us pray.

I can say with 1000% certainly whatever Hodgson marital and child situation is it played less then 0% in him not being the next hc. Absolutely zero impact

 

[RedtheGOB]

Im not in the business of blindly supporting the SU administration but there's only so many major donors to go around. Syracuse has increased its major donor base and has more coming in now then ever. However, in the current landscape its still not enough and some of those major donors are essentially football only.

They need to try and get more from the general fanbase and business community. The truth is there's only so much $$ they can generate and most schools are in much worse shape.

Really well said. People don’t talk about some schools that have been paying players for 40 years and doing it well. We’re not one of them.

Our general fanbase is clearly not used to nil yet. And as for business community I don’t know what to tell people but head down to some of these SEC or B!G schools or Clemson, it’s a different world.

 

[Bayside44]

How does Duke do it?

Iron Dukes for starters.

They basically have a secret society of donors where you have to pass a process to be a donor in their group.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Most of the endowment is not eligible for athletics

Can the endowment be loaned to the AD?