Coach Search Options after Autry

[rocklloyd]

Hopkins in Syracuse this weekend.

 

[hoopsupstate]

Hopkins in Syracuse this weekend.

If Hopkins gets this job it’s the definition of insanity. Another great guy who is not a head coach. There’s a reason he’s an assistant coach in a the NBA and never got another head coaching job in college. Only SU would think he’s head coaching material. I can’t believe this administration is so out of touch.

 

[23Zone]

In that case we never even wanted him in the first place

 

[Consigliere]

$9M on NIL.

Interesting, given discussions about this topic last week.

Unfortunately it is not correct. Might be close if you add in revenue sharing and the Vegas money that is still going through NIL GO. But even with all of that it’s closer to $8MM than $9MM in player compensation. Not NIL.
And even with that we were no better than ninth or tenth in the ACC.

 

[23Zone]

Hopkins in Syracuse this weekend.

 

[richmondcuse03]

Unfortunately it is not correct. Might be close if you add in revenue sharing and the Vegas money that is still going through NIL GO. But even with all of that it’s closer to $8MM than $9MM in player compensation. Not NIL.
And even with that we were no better than ninth or tenth in the ACC.

I’ve heard the roster is around 8ish but I’ve also heard it ranks quite competitively in the ACC.

I can’t see nine or ten programs spent more in the ACC. There are a few yes. But when UConn is spending 12, who in the ACC is approaching that level?

There’s Duke, North Carolina, Louisville…UVA could be around the same. Along with a few others. But more?

 

[richmondcuse03]

I think a lot of the comments in here reinforce why we need to go outside the JB and SU tree. Get some optimism and hope back. Too much negativity in Syracuse on a good day.

 

[elimunelson]

See .. I don't think he's very much like Fran Brown at all. Fran was actively coaching at a perennial national championship contender.

Mike Hopkins has been out of collegiate coaching for several years, after being fired from his last job.

The analogy is a stretch.

Fran was a sub coordinator essentially at Georgia. I’d take whatever Mike learned over what we saw in Fran as a tactician.

How about Luke Murray hc and Hopkins as the asst? If the school has money why wouldn’t they bring Hopkins back where his wife is from?

Feel like from the tea leaves is that he wants to be back

 

[Consigliere]

Of course.

Build it, and they will come (fans, attendance, public enthusiasm, NIL donations, etc.).

Completely agree.

It really becomes a chicken or egg thing though. Yes there are programs doing well with out top level NIL budgets but not in P4/5 conferences. Look at the ACC standings. There is a very strong correlation between NIL budgets and placement. A prospective coach understands that and it will be a primary consideration in his decision to pursue the job.

 

[Consigliere]

I’ve heard the roster is around 8ish but I’ve also heard it ranks quite competitively in the ACC.

I can’t see nine or ten programs spent more in the ACC. There are a few yes. But when UConn is spending 12, who in the ACC is approaching that level?

There’s Duke, North Carolina, Louisville…UVA could be around the same. Along with a few others. But more?

NC State and Miami definitely. Clemson and SMU ahead of Syracuse but same neighborhood.

 

[cusefan88]

I think a lot of the comments in here reinforce why we need to go outside the JB and SU tree. Get some optimism and hope back. Too much negativity in Syracuse on a good day.

You can't sell the fanbase on being a serious program if you hire Hopkins. He failed at Washington and didn't even get another HC job in college even at a lower level.

Nobody is beating down his door. It would be shocking and disappointing. To the decision makers one can only quote Logan Roy, "you're not serious people."

 

[oldpinepoint]

Fran was a sub coordinator essentially at Georgia. I’d take whatever Mike learned over what we saw in Fran as a tactician.

How about Luke Murray hc and Hopkins as the asst? If the school has money why wouldn’t they bring Hopkins back where his wife is from?

Feel like from the tea leaves is that he wants to be back

I would rather have just Murray as a HC. I don’t care if my football HC is a great tactician. I care that he has great coordinators underneath him. In the case of Fran, Nixon had one decent season and one bad season. I’m worrried about his ability to adjust the offense to personnel. ERob was not a great choice and hopefully our new DC is better.

 

[GoCuse14]

How about my question? If the Saudi Prince said hire Hopkins and I will give 25 million for NIL.

I will go and ask the Prince, BRB

 

[GoCuse14]

Okay, it was a joke guys. Just the thought that money and that is what Hop is really banking on, makes a play in things like this.

Well, now what am I supposed to tell the Prince. Ugh...egg on my face.

 

[RedtheGOB]

I’ve heard the roster is around 8ish but I’ve also heard it ranks quite competitively in the ACC.

I can’t see nine or ten programs spent more in the ACC. There are a few yes. But when UConn is spending 12, who in the ACC is approaching that level?

There’s Duke, North Carolina, Louisville…UVA could be around the same. Along with a few others. But more?

We're a clear 7-8ish. I went down the rabbit hole on this a few weeks ago.

Tier ACC blank check territory: Duke and UNC and Louisville.
Tier ACC Rebuilds: NCState, UVA
Tier Texas Oil & Florida Cartel Money: SMU and Miami
"This is alot of money in CNY": Cuse
Next up seems to be Clemson, VT, WF...Not sure where they land, but likely below or around us.

I think throw dollars out, are we competing for players with Miami, SMU or at best NCSt or UVA? I think mostly we are losing those battles. Guess we'll see with a new coach and if the donors up their game.

Theoretically the tourney expands to 76. I expect those 8 extra bids go to mostly P5 programs. Let's say the ACC gets back to 8 bids this year then it's not so crazy to expect 9-10 bids with expansion. We should feel good about a tourney every year but punching into the top 5 of the ACC I'm not so sure there is much of a path to be there regularly...

 

[Bayside44]

I’ve heard the roster is around 8ish but I’ve also heard it ranks quite competitively in the ACC.

I can’t see nine or ten programs spent more in the ACC. There are a few yes. But when UConn is spending 12, who in the ACC is approaching that level?

There’s Duke, North Carolina, Louisville…UVA could be around the same. Along with a few others. But more?

SMU for sure. NC State.

Has nothing to do with missing foul shots or unforced turnovers this season. But a potential problem down the line. Color me skeptical that NIL money will flow from donors. It never has. Always been whales and a handful of others.

Also Hop’s ship has sailed a long time ago. He buried his skill set going 3000 miles away from home and the scheming ended up being pretty rudimentary.

 

[donniesyracuse]

If Hopkins gets this job it’s the definition of insanity. Another great guy who is not a head coach. There’s a reason he’s an assistant coach in a the NBA and never got another head coaching job in college. Only SU would think he’s head coaching material. I can’t believe this administration is so out of touch.

Not good enough for Washington, but good enough for Syracuse. Maybe that is a reality I need to accept.

 

[BomberOrange]

Fran was a sub coordinator essentially at Georgia. I’d take whatever Mike learned over what we saw in Fran as a tactician.

How about Luke Murray hc and Hopkins as the asst? If the school has money why wouldn’t they bring Hopkins back where his wife is from?

Feel like from the tea leaves is that he wants to be back

Murray without Hop, ok if we can’t get BH. Outside the boeheim tree is the move.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Can we not equate NIL in the future with this year. The players were there this season. Not the reason we stunk.

And this is why I prefer a tactician over a fundraiser who has poor basketball acumen. We are never outraising Duke, UNC, or Louisville. However we can get good players and have better coaching.

 

[RF2044]

I’ve heard the roster is around 8ish but I’ve also heard it ranks quite competitively in the ACC.

I can’t see nine or ten programs spent more in the ACC. There are a few yes. But when UConn is spending 12, who in the ACC is approaching that level?

There’s Duke, North Carolina, Louisville…UVA could be around the same. Along with a few others. But more?

Same, across the board.

 

[RF2044]

Can we not equate NIL in the future with this year. The players were there this season. Not the reason we stunk.

And this is why I prefer a tactician over a fundraiser who has poor basketball acumen. We are never outraising Duke, UNC, or Louisville. However we can get good players and have better coaching.

Nicely stated.

The best way to avoid being held back by the limitations of a head coach is not to throw money at the problem, but rather to have a coach who doesn't have said limitations.

Hire the best coach we can,, period. Don't try to run back the same failed experiment we just endured, only with a different person, with the same likely result, because neither of them can coach their way out of a paper bag.

 

[RF2044]

Unfortunately it is not correct. Might be close if you add in revenue sharing and the Vegas money that is still going through NIL GO. But even with all of that it’s closer to $8MM than $9MM in player compensation. Not NIL.
And even with that we were no better than ninth or tenth in the ACC.

It's pretty close. And a lot closer than the 5 million number that was being thrown around a few weeks ago, to rationalize why we might need to go "cheap" with the head coach hire.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I think posters here need to look at the Big12 and see what they are doing with fewer resources than the Big 10 and SEC. Outside of BYU, TT, and Kansas all of those schools are operating at our level or lower. The conference is eons better than the ACC. The coaching is worlds better. It’s been the best conference year after year.

 

[rrlbees]

I’ve heard the roster is around 8ish but I’ve also heard it ranks quite competitively in the ACC.

I can’t see nine or ten programs spent more in the ACC. There are a few yes. But when UConn is spending 12, who in the ACC is approaching that level?

There’s Duke, North Carolina, Louisville…UVA could be around the same. Along with a few others. But more?

i believe that's with the revenue share. might be what you meant though.

 

[rrlbees]

It's pretty close. And a lot closer than the 5 million number that was being thrown around a few weeks ago, to rationalize why we might need to go "cheap" with the head coach hire.

that $5m was nil. revenue share gets us to the $8-9m mark.