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[RF2044]

Player development has also been a serious issue here players seems to come here and magically get worse. They are still young and should be improving instead the players come here and get worse. We need to get back to teaching kids how to play the game and work on individual skills they need to improve. Not just roll the ball out there and let them play.

Amen.

 

[Bayside44]

As I've posted and gotten skewered, we haven't been able to develop a big man since November 2011.

Jesse Edwards.

The longest developmental curve is with a center.

 

[RF2044]

Jesse Edwards.

The longest developmental curve is with a center.

Coincidentally, I was having this same discussion with my father this past week. How over an extended period of time, we don't seem to have much player development outside of a handful of cases.

Edwards was the recent example that we both came up with. But who before that?

I know I must be missing a few players, but CJ Fair? Gbinije? Those guys were 10+ years ago There have to be some examples in between, but I can't think of any, which is sobering.

And this extends back into the last few years of of Boeheim being at the helm, not just an indictment of Red -- but more of a systemic problem in our program toward the end.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I wish I taped it, but about 10 games ago there was a color guy that commented unnamed coaches said Syracuse had top 5 talent in the league. Seemed like a shot at Red. Was shortly after Clemson so wouldn’t surprise me
if it came from Brownell

 

[Sdot]

Want to also remind everyone that Bulldog04 said we had more NIL to spend but coaches wanted to let that money roll over into next year nil fund.

 

[Blanko97]

Want to also remind everyone that Bulldog04 said we had more NIL to spend but coaches wanted to let that money roll over into next year nil fund.

Red really thought he was a good coach, it’s kind of sad honestly

 

[Cusefan0307]

Player development has also been a serious issue here players seems to come here and magically get worse. They are still young and should be improving instead the players come here and get worse. We need to get back to teaching kids how to play the game and work on individual skills they need to improve. Not just roll the ball out there and let them play.

Gmac had some issues recruiting, but I don’t think it was a coincidence that JJ Starling shot the ball best his first year here once he worked with Gmac. That was one area he excelled at whether it be with Gbinije, Buddy, and others.

I do think it’s a bit of a black mark on the program that Girard went to Clemson and had his best season by far while playing m2m on an elite 8 team..

 

[Bayside44]

Coincidentally, I was having this same discussion with my father this past week. How over an extended period of time, we don't seem to have much player development outside of a handful of cases.

Edwards was the recent example that we both came up with. But who before that?

I know I must be missing a few players, but CJ Fair? Gbinije? Those guys were 10+ years ago There have to be some examples in between, but I can't think of any, which is sobering.

And this extends back into the last few years of of Boeheim being at the helm, not just an indictment of Red -- but more of a systemic problem in our program toward the end.

Without someone throwing a frying pan at me - probably Buddy.

Part of the problem as we know is the JB way of my way or the highway ended. Guys like QG for instance just move on without sitting out instead of taking it.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Without someone throwing a frying pan at me - probably Buddy.

Part of the problem as we know is the JB way of my way or the highway ended. Guys like QG for instance just move on without sitting out instead of taking it.

Girard got better here. We just didn’t use him correctly.

 

[kingtidge]

Disagree most understand the follow up to JB was never gonna be easy. If SU goes full national the interest will absolutely be there.

Well, you have ITKs saying right now it's not there...

 

[jdubs30]

Eli Hughes got way better

 

[malpearl31]

As I've posted and gotten skewered, we haven't been able to develop a big man since November 2011.

Jesse doesn’t make the list?

 

[djorange1989]

That’s my point. For a program looking for a proven coach and an established winner, why are so many folks getting excited about folks who have accomplished nothing in the P4 or the tourney. Any one of these coaches being thrown around is taking a flyer on upside, which is exactly what we did with Red. Let’s not make the same mistake again.

BH has only been a head coach for a few years and he has immediately improved the teams he has coached. Plus, he has coached teams who are in 1-2 bid conferences. Not like he has blown a bunch of easy opportunities to make the dance and win games.

 

[ManleyRocks]

Scheyer is a product of Duke's infrastructure, IMO. Stick Amaker, Dawkins, Wojo, Collins in there they'd all get propped up the same way with that talent. The Brotherhood, Iron Dukes, etc stuff is real.

I think all the infrastructure you referenced bridged him to this point. However, I believe this year shows how he has evolved as a coach as they are playing at a whole other level better than the sum of their parts. Scheyer has them really locked in and playing team ball and super tough.

 

[RedtheGOB]

Red really thought he was a good coach, it’s kind of sad honestly

Settle down dude. You ain’t no gem on these boards all the time either.

Reminds me of Gladiator tho. It’s hard to know if you really have a chance when you’re in the moment.

He had them playing hard for Houston and stole that Tenn game. It’s not unthinkable.

 

[Blanko97]

Settle down dude. You ain’t no gem on these boards all the time either.

Reminds me of Gladiator tho. It’s hard to know if you really have a chance when you’re in the moment.

He had them playing hard for Houston and stole that Tenn game. It’s not unthinkable.

Comparing my board posting to the head coach of Syracuse basketball is like comparing apples to the Empire State Building. Insiders have indicated red didn’t want to hire more assistant coaches, didn’t think his offensive philosophy is a problem, didn’t want to spend all the NIL money on a make or break year. He honestly thought that his coaching style would work despite all the evidence to the contrary. Sure he competed with Houston, and Tennessee (blind squirrels and all that) but at the end of the day, his teams consistently got worse as the year wore on, that doesn’t scream “my system works.” I just feel bad that he was so stubborn that he refused to change even though it was clear he needed to.

 

[Consigliere]

Coaches? It’s a media poll.

On3 had us with a combined transfer/freshman ranking of 14 and 247 had 20. Duke/UNC/Louisville have a clear talent advantage over us. The rest of the schools, no.

My bad. I thought the conference poll was a coaches poll. You can look at the national USA coaches preseason poll and see 7 ACC teams listed including “others receiving votes” but not a single mention of Cuse. And again, not a single player in any NBA mock drafts or projected all-ACC first or second teams. No issue if you want to attribute that completely to the failure of Red to get the most out of his players. I just don’t think it’s quite that simple.
Still stand by my opinion that while this team is certainly more talented than last year, and good enough to be a 9-11 seed in the tournament, it would have been a real stretch to rate them higher than that going into the season.

 

[Newhouser]

I wish I taped it, but about 10 games ago there was a color guy that commented unnamed coaches said Syracuse had top 5 talent in the league. Seemed like a shot at Red. Was shortly after Clemson so wouldn’t surprise me
if it came from Brownell

The coach of any team that beats us is going to say we have top 5 talent. Makes them look better. Off the top of my head three Carolina schools, UVA, Louisville, and I think VA tech and Miami.

 

[atlanticuse]

Jesse doesn’t make the list?

WVU says hi

 

[Iowa044]

Schertz ain't coming here from what I've heard

I poked my source at SLU on Schertz interest in Syracuse and he didn’t think he was interested

 

[Cusefan0307]

The coach of any team that beats us is going to say we have top 5 talent. Makes them look better. Off the top of my head three Carolina schools, UVA, Louisville, and I think VA tech and Miami.

It was off the record. It was not someone who said it in the open. That’s what made it so eye opening.

You can think that, but that was not the narrative before the season. The goalposts have been moved. And we didn’t get out talented by VPI, Miami, and UVA. Those teams out worked us and out coached us more than anything.

 

[Cusefan0307]

My bad. I thought the conference poll was a coaches poll. You can look at the national USA coaches preseason poll and see 7 ACC teams listed including “others receiving votes” but not a single mention of Cuse. And again, not a single player in any NBA mock drafts or projected all-ACC first or second teams. No issue if you want to attribute that completely to the failure of Red to get the most out of his players. I just don’t think it’s quite that simple.
Still stand by my opinion that while this team is certainly more talented than last year, and good enough to be a 9-11 seed in the tournament, it would have been a real stretch to rate them higher than that going into the season.

Here’s the problem. We had zero issue beating Tennessee or staying with Kansas and Houston without Freeman. He comes back and suddenly we can’t compete with Nc State, Virginia and Virginia Tech? Everyone else improved as the year went on and we got worse. Especially on the defensive end.

 

[Fly Rodder]

And again, not a single player in any NBA mock drafts or projected all-ACC first or second teams.

JJ was preseason All ACC 2nd team.

 

[kingtidge]

I think there might be times where the players disregard the direction the coaches are giving. But, it all circles back to the effectiveness of the HC and to a certain extent, the remainder of the staff.

You think??

Freeman went in late yesterday, decided the game was over, fouled immediately, then got T'd-up seconds later and fouled-out on purpose... and went straight to the locker room.

This team is just treading water waiting for the inevitable...

 

[Consigliere]

JJ was preseason All ACC 2nd team.

Aware of that obviously. Where will he be voted after the season? And which is a better indicator of his talent and impact on this season?