Coach Search Options after Autry

[gward]

Never ever put a down payment on worry. About just about anything. If something bad happens, you can always worry about it then. If it doesn't happen, you would have worried for nothing.

Very good life advice.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Just for shts and giggles i looked at UW’s offensive stats while Hopkins was there and they are offensive. Finished sub 200 in ppg 4 times and was in the top half of the country once. Was never in the top half of the country in 3 point shooting and finished sub 200 5 times. Oh and we likely get zone again too baby!!!

Compare this to Hodgson and it’s a different sport. Millhouse will have a field day with his shooting threads.

 

[MSOrange]

Right Gary Williams, tom Davis and Chuck Daly careers ended after bc. Same w Obrien falling upward into Ohio st

Sounds like a good place to move upwards. We have recency bias.

Read this post from richmondcuse. If you don't realize that it's a different world than it was 30 or 40 years ago, then I'm not sure you're using the critical thinking skills I would expect from a Newhouse grad, to be blunt.

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BC btw has literally zero NIL. It’s revenue sharing and between their major sports, they don’t spend the 20.

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[CuseBlood44]

Lally should threaten to withhold football money if they pick Hopkins over his guy - especially if they go with Lyke as AD. Why would he continue to funnel money into an incompetent administration ?

 

[atlanticuse]

silver lining is that the world could end before next season.

 

[Newhouser]

Syracuse hiring Hop would be like Pitt hiring Kevin Stallings. A complete disaster. And Stallings actually had successful seasons at Vandy. Many of the BOT members know Hop extremely well and are comfortable with him. That’s why he’s getting a look. But that is no reason to hire a coach. It’s laughable. Hodgson or Schertz would be able to tap into the same financial pipeline as Hop, btw. But winning is the only thing that will sustain that pipeline, and Hop isn’t going to be able to do that. Even him bringing in offensive and defensive gurus probably wouldn’t help. You have to have experience implementing those systems, and Hop doesn’t have it. His previous systems were losers at UW. He had years to figure things out there, and he failed.

My only push back on that would be Hop has been active in NBA circles - he's had opportunity to add some concepts to his tool kit.

That said I don't want him or anyone affiliated with JB.

I'm also much more concerned about the AD hire as down the road that is going to be the more important hire in terms of SU future.

 

[5OutFred]

The subtext with the Hop promotion via the hoops alums is that they know it's their last chance to maintain 'control' over the program. Bringing in a new coach with fresh ideas that could culturally shift an institution that's been slow to change over decades is perhaps an overwhelming thought. Change is scary.

You can't live in nostalgia forever. The choice is obvious, and he wants to make this program a whole new version of what it was. Step forward, Orange basketball, into a new era. It's time.

 

[CuseBlood44]

The subtext with the Hop promotion via the hoops alums is that they know it's their last chance to maintain 'control' over the program. Bringing in a new coach with fresh ideas that could culturally shift an institution that's been slow to change over decades is perhaps an overwhelming thought. Change is scary.

You can't live in nostalgia forever. The choice is obvious, and he wants to make this program a whole new version of what it was. Step forward, Orange basketball, into a new era. It's time.

Wildhack should be pointing to Fran brown and the ability to get buy in from alums. Winning fixes all and needs to come first, the money will follow. If you start with money first and it doesn’t come with wins, the money and support will dry up.

 

[dasher]

Lally should threaten to withhold football money if they pick Hopkins over his guy - especially if they go with Lyke as AD. Why would he continue to funnel money into an incompetent administration ?

Exactly the wrong thinking. How about the donors that are backing Hopkins. Should they do the same?

 

[Vorony]

Exactly the wrong thinking. How about the donors that are backing Hopkins. Should they do the same?

Based on a few vague posts in this thread, it sounds like they’re threatening to do exactly that. The whole Hop interviewing at BC thing to provide leverage for him to get the Cuse job. Basically, “my big donors will take their money with me to BC if I don’t get this job”.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

The subtext with the Hop promotion via the hoops alums is that they know it's their last chance to maintain 'control' over the program. Bringing in a new coach with fresh ideas that could culturally shift an institution that's been slow to change over decades is perhaps an overwhelming thought. Change is scary.

You can't live in nostalgia forever. The choice is obvious, and he wants to make this program a whole new version of what it was. Step forward, Orange basketball, into a new era. It's time.

Cuse is so bad with this. Not only is change scary, but change is also good. And, more importantly, change is necessary.

Currently, Cuse has an athletic director that's an alumnus. Men's Basketball coach is an alumnus. Women's Basketball coach is an alumnus. Men's Lacrosse coach is an alumnus. Women's Lacrosse coach is an alumnus. There's a pattern there and is the BOT willing to change the direction that the athletic department has gone all these years.

 

[RF2044]

Just for shts and giggles i looked at UW’s offensive stats while Hopkins was there and they are offensive. Finished sub 200 in ppg 4 times and was in the top half of the country once. Was never in the top half of the country in 3 point shooting and finished sub 200 5 times. Oh and we likely get zone again too baby!!!

Compare this to Hodgson and it’s a different sport. Millhouse will have a field day with his shooting threads.

It really was so bad.

Like, not just slightly below average, but atrocious. After seeing how terrible our offensive system is now, I'm at a loss to understand why anyone would want to sign up more of the same. Time for a clean break, and an infusion of new ideas to modernize the program, instead of continuing to be stuck in the past.

 

[kingtidge]

The subtext with the Hop promotion via the hoops alums is that they know it's their last chance to maintain 'control' over the program. Bringing in a new coach with fresh ideas that could culturally shift an institution that's been slow to change over decades is perhaps an overwhelming thought. Change is scary.

You can't live in nostalgia forever. The choice is obvious, and he wants to make this program a whole new version of what it was. Step forward, Orange basketball, into a new era. It's time.

The fact that Lyke is already on staff and in a pole position for the AD job is telling.

This isn't about nostalgia change... It's about incompetence. She has no business being on the AD staff, let alone in contention for the AD gig.

If she gets the AD gig and such a BAD decision can be made, MORE bad decisions can certainly be made and likely will be made. Her horrible track record at pitt is a CV of mismanagement horrors. That's not nostalgia-fear-of-change, it's just total incompetence.

 

[dasher]

Based on a few vague posts in this thread, it sounds like they’re threatening to do exactly that. The whole Hop interviewing at BC thing to provide leverage for him to get the Cuse job. Basically, “my big donors will take their money with me to BC if I don’t get this job”.

There is no way his donors are taking their money to B.C. because of Mike Hopkins. I don't even believe Mike would make that claim in an attempt to get some type of leverage. Yes, I'm a Syracuse alum that gives money to Syracuse but if they name Hop coach at B.C. that is where my money is going to go? No way

 

[dasher]

It really was so bad.

Like, not just slightly below average, but atrocious. After seeing how terrible our offensive system is now, I'm at a loss to understand why anyone would want to sign up more of the same. Time for a clean break, and an infusion of new ideas to modernize the program, instead of continuing to be stuck in the past.

All true. It is possible that he has learned something from being in the NBA.

 

[rrlbees]

If we're talking about approving a coaching hire, that strikes me as naive that there wouldn't be some internal politics in play as far as who, and not just the financial package. Especially since many of those members are major donors and would play an important part in the success of a new coach in this age of NIL (and really even before NIL)

don't confuse someone playing or trying to play politics with the responsibilities of the bot as an entity.

 

[dasher]

Just thinking, most of us think BH is the clear leader in the club house for the job. Yet, no one here has any idea who will be making the decision on the job. Since we don't know who will be making the decision, how can we think we know who they will pick? Just a thought.

 

[pearl31]

Just thinking, most of us think BH is the clear leader in the club house for the job. Yet, no one here has any idea who will be making the decision on the job. Since we don't know who will be making the decision, how can we think we know who they will pick? Just a thought.

...which makes me wonder whether that person(s) making the decision (whomever that is) truly understands the urgency of the hire - both in terms of timing (portal, etc) and just basketball/program acumen

 

[Vorony]

There is no way his donors are taking their money to B.C. because of Mike Hopkins. I don't even believe Mike would make that claim in an attempt to get some type of leverage. Yes, I'm a Syracuse alum that gives money to Syracuse but if they name Hop coach at B.C. that is where my money is going to go? No way

I would certainly hope that’s the case. But what’s the leverage play for Hop then at BC? He may beat us twice a year if he’s named HC there? There must be some sort of financial metric tied to it.

 

[Bulldog04]

Just thinking, most of us think BH is the clear leader in the club house for the job. Yet, no one here has any idea who will be making the decision on the job. Since we don't know who will be making the decision, how can we think we know who they will pick? Just a thought.

Can’t like this enough…

 

[cliftonparksufan]

Just thinking, most of us think BH is the clear leader in the club house for the job. Yet, no one here has any idea who will be making the decision on the job. Since we don't know who will be making the decision, how can we think we know who they will pick? Just a thought.

I'm sure that Wildhack and the BOT understand the urgency of making the move and filling the spot almost immediately. I don't see how they push off making a decision no matter which candidate they choose. So, either Wildhack works in conjunction with the BOT, or the BOT takes full responsibility.

I don't see that Wildhack would be making any decisions on his own right now, but he could be part of the decision making process.

 

[AZOrange]

Just thinking, most of us think BH is the clear leader in the club house for the job. Yet, no one here has any idea who will be making the decision on the job. Since we don't know who will be making the decision, how can we think we know who they will pick? Just a thought.

Yeah without a chancellor, AD and coach all we can do is speculate who is in the running.

 

[Blanko97]

Can’t like this enough…

but like, didnt you two say that it was BH? I assumed that if BH name is making the rounds as a near done deal then they must know who the AD is

 

[AZOrange]

Lally should threaten to withhold football money if they pick Hopkins over his guy - especially if they go with Lyke as AD. Why would he continue to funnel money into an incompetent administration ?

What if the big $$$ backs Lykes and Hopper?

 

[sufan59]

Just thinking, most of us think BH is the clear leader in the club house for the job. Yet, no one here has any idea who will be making the decision on the job. Since we don't know who will be making the decision, how can we think we know who they will pick? Just a thought.