Coach Search Options after Autry

[hoopsupstate]

I think that Hop would make a great coach for Syracuse. Booster money will be there for him

I think he’s a great ambassador for the program, but not a great coach. Big difference.

 

[sufan59]

That is just NIL and not revenue share. Add about $4.5 million to that number.

They just say NIL, but it looks like they are trying to include everything in the estimated roster value number. It doesn't matter because it doesn't look real.

 

[Sherman20]

HCs at MMs have issues too. I’d take a Tommy Lloyd in a heartbeat.

The thing is, in recent times, Tommy Lloyd is a unicorn, and he has Arizona’s big basketball money behind him. Most schools are not going that route right now because it’s a big risk. Look at Jerome Tang (former Baylor assistant) flaming out at Kansas State (though he did make an Elite Eight early on, before the fall). Jai Lucas is having some success at Miami in season 1, but he has both his influential dad and his Duke connections aiding his success. And the jury is still obviously out on him. Most of the top 25 and even top 50 is comprised of former mid-major head coaches who proved themselves at a lower level first and learned the ropes of how to teach, scheme and win. Save for Duke and Carolina, most programs aren’t following the JB or Izzo route of hiring a longtime assistant, certainty not an outside career assistant.

 

[FrancoPizza]

That is just NIL and not revenue share. Add about $4.5 million to that number.

But then wouldn't that also apply to most of the other schools as well?

 

[elimunelson]

In fairness, Doug Marrone parlayed his SU HC gig into an NFL head job in 2012. That's wayyy better than any BC hoops coach has done since the 80s.

True. Was going to say Hafley but that’s not the point u are making.

These programs should be test tubes for bigger jobs. Gmac would be foolish to turn it down is my entire point. If he’s good he can get them competitive. A single ncaa appearance he’s going to get a big offer.

It's fine to give him a hearing. SU did him wrong years ago, so that courtesy seems reasonable.

The idea of bench "tacticians" doesn't interest me in the least, though. Basketball isn't football. A hoops coach needs to be THE tactician. A CEO approach simply doesn't work because you need the head man to make quick and successful adjustments in game. All the great coaches have that skill and dragged their teams to wins with their acumen.

If Hop's skill is securing money then let him join the Athletic Department as head fundraiser. We need a great coach.

luke Murray is supposedly a tactician. I’d take one at Syracuse. Bernie coached up our big talent. We haven’t developed a big since (Jesse the exception)


I think good coaches have good asst coaches.

 

[Blanko97]

This can’t even be close to true lol. More like high end of tier 2. What gets alloted in rev share alone gets Syracuse close to out of Tier 3.

I dont believe for a second Clemson spent anything close to 5M of outside money on their roster

 

[qdawgg]

I'd only take Hop if he brought Murray as his offensive coordinator and promised he would find a good assistant to install a modern defense. So yeah, not sold on Hop bringing anything other than donor support and good feelings with trustees.

So basically in that scenario, Hop wouldn’t really be needed.

 

[Sherman20]

I think there are ways to make that decision, and still make the donor know that they are the most important person to the university, and to find other ways to make it up to them. But I see this point also. There are risks in anything they decide. They need to weigh the risks. I would think before a final decision is made that a conversation would be had to see if it would cut ties. I also think that if someone is so "small minded" to let it affect their overall love to the university it begs to question how strong that devotion is. No one donor should have total control over decisions.

Wonderful post and insight, as always.

 

[RedtheGOB]

100% agree.
The pimple faced asshat at Locked On Syracuse should stop what he's doing right now.
He's an influencer and not a very good one.
Wow he's been covering Syracuse since 2020!!!
I have bread older than that.

I gotta agree. He is unwatchable at this point.

 

[MamesJungro]

I think he’s a great ambassador for the program, but not a great coach. Big difference.

Agree; the style of basketball that made JAB so successful (running ISO ball for a skinny hybrid 3/4 that can create their own shot and usually guessing correctly that college players can't shoot 3's at a high enough percentage to beat you) is dead, and why his coaching tree isn't successful, by and large

 

[orangepassion]

So basically in that scenario, Hop wouldn’t really be needed.

And why would Murray do it?

 

[rrlbees]

But then wouldn't that also apply to most of the other schools as well?

yes

 

[Scooch]

Excuse me, I put commentary below the tweet. "This can’t even be close to true lol. More like high end of tier 2. What gets alloted in rev share alone gets Syracuse close to out of Tier 3".

My apologies.

 

[Scooch]

I think good coaches have good asst coaches.

Sure, but a great HC is the lead guy. People here are acknowledging that Hop was a bad coach at UW and that he'd need great assistants. That never works for basketball.

Again, if Hop is a great fundraiser then let him work in the athletic department. Hell, make him the AD. We need a great head basketball coach.

People are familiar with Hop and they like him. As Derrick Coleman once said, whoop-dee-damn-doo.

 

[RedtheGOB]

There's a voice in my head saying that if Lally is really propping up BH as much as it's implied with NIL then aren't we just drawing from the same well?

We have to at least acknowledge that an extra mil or 2 to hoops is great from Lally but that is 1-2 mil less than Fran might've been hoping to get for better Offensive lineman for instance.

No doubt Fran is a smart dude, he knows what's best overall for Cuse is a hoops program rebounding. But still He also gets after it though on the NIL, I'm sure he's calling Lally too trying to get every dollar he can too.

I'm a BH proponent over the other candidates. Just frustrating we're in this predicament.

 

[qdawgg]

And why would Murray do it?

Well if we need to hire Hop in order to lure Murray…… we’re already in a lose-lose scenario. Assuming Murray was someone we were interested but that’s besides the overall point.

 

[SimonSays]

There's a voice in my head saying that if Lally is really propping up BH as much as it's implied with NIL then aren't we just drawing from the same well?

We have to at least acknowledge that an extra mil or 2 to hoops is great from Lally but that is 1-2 mil less than Fran might've been hoping to get for better Offensive lineman for instance.

No doubt Fran is a smart dude, he knows what's best overall for Cuse is a hoops program rebounding. But still He also gets after it though on the NIL, I'm sure he's calling Lally too trying to get every dollar he can too.

I'm a BH proponent over the other candidates. Just frustrating we're in this predicament.

I agree. whatever makes hoops cuse again tho. football is like dessert. we need to eat dinner again.

 

[TommyA13]

I think that Hop would make a great coach for Syracuse. Booster money will be there for him

I’ve been on this board for a while and I don’t think I’ve ever seen an awful post not even get one person agreeing with them (in terms of likes, every reaction is a dislike or negative facial expression on that post). There’s a first time for everything though!

 

[atlanticuse]

I gotta agree. He is unwatchable at this point.

who is he?!

 

[ChunkyMonke]

One of the most important points made in this entire thread

There's a voice in my head saying that if Lally is really propping up BH as much as it's implied with NIL then aren't we just drawing from the same well?

We have to at least acknowledge that an extra mil or 2 to hoops is great from Lally but that is 1-2 mil less than Fran might've been hoping to get for better Offensive lineman for instance.

No doubt Fran is a smart dude, he knows what's best overall for Cuse is a hoops program rebounding. But still He also gets after it though on the NIL, I'm sure he's calling Lally too trying to get every dollar he can too.

I'm a BH proponent over the other candidates. Just frustrating we're in this

There's a voice in my head saying that if Lally is really propping up BH as much as it's implied with NIL then aren't we just drawing from the same well?

We have to at least acknowledge that an extra mil or 2 to hoops is great from Lally but that is 1-2 mil less than Fran might've been hoping to get for better Offensive lineman for instance.

No doubt Fran is a smart dude, he knows what's best overall for Cuse is a hoops program rebounding. But still He also gets after it though on the NIL, I'm sure he's calling Lally too trying to get every dollar he can too.

I'm a BH proponent over the other candidates. Just frustrating we're in this predicament.

Has anyone on this board even reached out to Lally to get their opinion?

 

[Cusefan0307]

There's a voice in my head saying that if Lally is really propping up BH as much as it's implied with NIL then aren't we just drawing from the same well?

We have to at least acknowledge that an extra mil or 2 to hoops is great from Lally but that is 1-2 mil less than Fran might've been hoping to get for better Offensive lineman for instance.

No doubt Fran is a smart dude, he knows what's best overall for Cuse is a hoops program rebounding. But still He also gets after it though on the NIL, I'm sure he's calling Lally too trying to get every dollar he can too.

I'm a BH proponent over the other candidates. Just frustrating we're in this predicament.

BH has raised NIL everywhere. And there’s reason to believe JL is bankrolling it BH at SF right now as a supporter of their AD as well.

 

[rrlbees]

This can’t even be close to true lol. More like high end of tier 2. What gets alloted in rev share alone gets Syracuse close to out of Tier 3.

its even titled NIL. so for all teams its NIL only. personally i believe those numbers are pretty close for NIL only.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

I’m probably one of the younger people on this board, but I actually just had him as my professor for a class at SUNY Oswego lol. He’s a great guy, very knowledgeable about what he does, and just got his 300th win at Oswego as HC, so no doubt he can coach and is a winner!

Can he? The greater Oswego metropolitan area is a hotbed for hoops. Probably just has superior talent.

 

[23Zone]

Well if we need to hire Hop in order to lure Murray…… we’re already in a lose-lose scenario. Assuming Murray was someone we were interested but that’s besides the overall point.

I can't possibly fathom in any world where Murray leaves UCONN to become an assistant coach somewhere else. That doesn't even make sense in my opinion. Only way I could see him leaving would be to become head coach somewhere

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

I wish we had some of those players back.

Let the NCAA try to stop us