Coach Search Options after Autry

[orange7]

Hop trying to use BC as leverage is me pretending to date Heather Lyke to make Sydney Sweeney jealous.

I died laughing at this post. There goes my morning coffee all over my desk.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Melo was a Hall of Fame player. That doesn't mean he knows what makes a great coach, or how to run a college basketball program.

I've been clear that I don't know much about Hodgson or if he'd be a good hire for SU. I'm not stuck on him at all.

However, I don't "trust that proper due diligence and an effective process will be followed". Not given the current rudderless state of SU leadership.

I laid out what an executive-level hiring process for this program should be dozens of pages ago, and I've yet to see any evidence that's being followed. Sounds a lot more like Game of Thrones.

Not to mention I'd be very skeptical his NIL support will continue once Kiyan leaves the program in a year.

 

[LAorange44]

Hop only won when he had Romar’s players.

Once he was down the the guys he himself could pull, his results dropped off.

And then once his east coast crootin ties dried up, he was dead in the water.

But sure!
He’s gonna do so much better this time, without having any great players to start off with, nor any recruiting ties anywhere anymore!!

sign me up!!

Your support has been officially logged.

 

[DilemaCuse]

lol is this how we're going to sell ourselves? Hop is a .500 coach in 7 years with exactly 1 ncaa bid.

That would be an embarrassing hire within college bball circles. Hop needed to rebound as a college head coach somewhere else, anywhere just so the school could point to that and say, see he has rehabbed his coaching profile and makes sense here. Sorry but being an assistant for a bad Pelicans team is just being another suit on an NBA bench, it doesnt pass the sniff test.

Decision makers need to take of the orange colored glasses, put aside the past affiliations and ask themselves based on past recent history, which coach looks better within the lines of the game.

You got Tim Leonard on espn syracuse basically saying ignore Hops record at UW, like record doesn't matter. Like what are we doing here?

Finally caught up!

 

[PhatOrange]

I don’t feel like getting yelled at, I’m just asking a question - does anyone feel that coaches can improve and win after they have failed ? There’s a lot of cases that prove this theory to be correct. Hop had one stint that went well and then not so well. Why did it go well first couple of years ? Something he did had to work. And then I know there were some injuries and stuff like that and then recruiting wasn’t ideal. But just curious because what if it worked out ? Haven’t heard one positive possible outcome yet lol

The answer is yes, but why not just go out and hire a proven winner. Why be the test case.

 

[phil77]

Travis Steele. Dude is going to get another shot at the bigs next year.

This is a good example, I am sure you didn't mean it to be, but it is. Steele failed at Xavie,r dropped down a level, proved himself at Miami OH, and will get another shot now. Hopkins didn't drop down a level to prove himself, and now will actually get a better job than Washington, which is the insanity.

 

[orangepassion]

In the meantime let’s keep on with the narrative that the only acceptable coaching hire is someone that most haven’t seen coach a game or hadn’t even heard of three months ago.

I’ll watch the process unfold and support the program next year with at least some level of trust that proper due diligence and an effective process will be followed.

Like when we hired Red?

 

[Bulldog04]

The answer is yes, but why not just go out and hire a proven winner. Why be the test case.

The counter argument is that USF isn’t the same level as ACC (obviously) so has Hodgson proven he has won at the highest level? Some say no so you have unproven versus failure. What does everyone prefer ?

 

[Orangezoo]

Get ready stilettos…..

And who knows far more about basketball than anyone on this board.

In the meantime let’s keep on with the narrative that the only acceptable coaching hire is someone that most haven’t seen coach a game or hadn’t even heard of three months ago.

I’ll watch the process unfold and support the program next year with at least some level of trust that proper due diligence and an effective process will be followed.

Here is the thing. With or without background knowledge of how things work or played out beyond the various levels of insight or longstanding experience when it comes to the challenges of such decisions and the economics, results are key. With that , you can’t really argue the “Trust me good people are on it” approach anymore when you look at those who have been entrusted with such tasks have seen JB struggle mightily his last 5-8 years followed by Red being a massive failure as a continuity hire.

Thus here we are and with the possibility of Hop being a real option with major money and an almost as bad resume as Red with the same issues. There is no trust left to be had here and without a clear picture and vision it’s a PR mess that could set us back before starting. Factor in BHs name running hot for the job and if he keeps winning and makes the dance and wins a game or two and then he doesn’t get the job…

It puts more pressure than ever for a Hop led program to win massively in the portal, build immediate recruiting momentum and have a great staff. Not to mention immediate evidence of a winning approach and that he’s changed not just talent that does the same things at UW.

We need juice behind this hire to boost attendance, willingness to donate at small levels and program hype. I just don’t see us getting there with Hop out of the gate and you stumble with where we are and you know how that goes.

Now if the messaging and vision gets out there including a big time staff then there is some more hope.. even if that wouldn’t sell many of us out of the gate.

 

[NineOneSeven]

lol is this how we're going to sell ourselves? Hop is a .500 coach in 7 years with exactly 1 ncaa bid.

Yeah but he’s OUR .500 coach in 7 years with exactly 1 ncaa bid. And could be again.

Ever think of that? Sir?

 

[orange79]

Maybe the important thing isn’t who the school hires as head coach but the friends and memories we make along the way. Maybe the real level 5 Orange standard was in our hearts the entire time.

OMG! OttoinGrotto burner account!

 

[cusefan88]

I will find out more on who he is looking at for coaches but I know one name for sure that he’s been talking to to join the coaching staff - our favorite trash talking #23 Eric Devendorf

If he got hired he would need to verbally use his press conference to describe his offensive and defensive systems and if there is no philosophical shift he's DOA.

I think coaches and admins underestimate how smart the average fan is now. There's so many great data tools. You can't BS a lot of people as much.

 

[FrancoPizza]

I’d really want to dig in further and understand who he is bringing to the table to be on his staff. I’m very much not on board yet even with big money at play but want to also understand who would be on the bench with him. Without knowing that it’s hard to put faith in the possibility of him being a new and improved coach at his age.

It doesn't matter who's on the bench with him. Hop would still have to manage the game, substitutions, timeouts, etc. Unless we're letting the assistants do everything and we give Hop a clipboard...

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

Hall of fame coaches, active and retired, disagree with you. Sorry but those are who im basing my thoughts on. Money’s become more important, its why you see great coaches retiring early and becoming disenfranchised.

Our current reality disagrees with you, and it's not like Hop has shown ANYTHING that might make anyone think otherwise.

Your appeal to authority here is actually just a group of people who can be as dumb as anyone else.

 

[NineOneSeven]

OMG! OttoinGrotto burner account!

Or… Kevin Durant’s?

 

[sufan59]

I will find out more on who he is looking at for coaches but I know one name for sure that he’s been talking to to join the coaching staff - our favorite trash talking #23 Eric Devendorf

Hopkins has local celebrities/media on his side...

 

[Cusefan0307]

The counter argument is that USF isn’t the same level as ACC (obviously) so has Hodgson proven he has won at the highest level? Some say no so you have unproven versus failure. What does everyone prefer ?

Where did Danny Hurley and Todd Golden coach before UConn and Florida?

 

[Orangezoo]

I will find out more on who he is looking at for coaches but I know one name for sure that he’s been talking to to join the coaching staff - our favorite trash talking #23 Eric Devendorf

I do think ED has has value being on the staff no matter who is the coach so that’s a good start and he also knows his stuff Xs and Os wise.

 

[whobut03]

I don’t feel like getting yelled at, I’m just asking a question - does anyone feel that coaches can improve and win after they have failed ? There’s a lot of cases that prove this theory to be correct. Hop had one stint that went well and then not so well. Why did it go well first couple of years ? Something he did had to work. And then I know there were some injuries and stuff like that and then recruiting wasn’t ideal. But just curious because what if it worked out ? Haven’t heard one positive possible outcome yet lol

Glad you said it. I'll add, I think we forget that the 2020-2021 season and even the 2021-2022 season for Hop was significantly impacted by COVID. Sure everyone had to deal with it, however not everyone had to deal with the state restrictions and the limited time coaches could be around anyone let alone the players. ((SEE SYRACUSE FOOTBALL'S 2020 SEASON)).

I'm in Lakewood Ranch in Florida and I could tell you COVID did not exist here. Now when I went to NY for business, it was the polar opposite. Washington had similar restrictions as NY.

Couple that with trying to convince kids from the east coast to go out west since that's where Hops contacts were and it was kind of a perfect storm.

Additionally, take a look at how their current coach is doing... Maybe, just maybe people over value that Washington job.

Now to Bulldogs point, Hop most certainly learned a lot being on his own and running a program and I believe he would make some changes in his second go around. That's on top of working in the NBA and being around some other coaching philosophies and ways of doing things.

This isn't meant to be an endorsement, I still think we're a decade late on this. Just offering another perspective.

 

[Newhouser]

If you put Hop's name in your sentence above, would that not also apply to his tenure at Washington?

If we simply rinse and repeat and do the same thing again, hoping for better results, then we deserve to lose and lose miserably.



Melo thought Red was going to be great with his son and the new players coming in this season too (even tho there was PLENTY of evidence to expect otherwise). He also grew frustrated this year as the season played out as many here expected. We all hoped against hope it might be better, but most weren't surprised how's it gone, as the writing was on the wall.

Let's not pretend this push for Hop has anything to do with some "next level" of understanding college basketball program rebuilding that us mere mortals can't comprehend... It's none of that.

Melo wants his friend to coach his son. That hasn't changed. Just the name of that friend has. If that is the effective, due dilligence decision making process you are talking about, sorry, but that sucks.

and a step further we are selling out the program over the next few years on a player that we aren't even sure is all that good. Evidence to date would show more towards eventually good - not good enough to hold a program hostage.

If he gets hired Hop's ego will be interesting - if he doesn't bring in some sort of OC - we know he's learned nothing.

 

[Newhouser]

yep. not a bad poster either. then, poof, he just disappeared.

Kaiser Solze

 

[sufan59]

That would be an embarrassing hire within college bball circles. Hop needed to rebound as a college head coach somewhere else, anywhere just so the school could point to that and say, see he has rehabbed his coaching profile and makes sense here. Sorry but being an assistant for a bad Pelicans team is just being another suit on an NBA bench, it doesnt pass the sniff test.

Decision makers need to take of the orange colored glasses, put aside the past affiliations and ask themselves based on past recent history, which coach looks better within the lines of the game.

You got Tim Leonard on espn syracuse basically saying ignore Hops record at UW, like record doesn't matter. Like what are we doing here?

Finally caught up!

The tone shift when discussing Hodgson vs Hopkins is like the SNL skit with the Alabama player and the science project. They are so much easier on Hop.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

I don’t feel like getting yelled at, I’m just asking a question - does anyone feel that coaches can improve and win after they have failed ? There’s a lot of cases that prove this theory to be correct. Hop had one stint that went well and then not so well. Why did it go well first couple of years ? Something he did had to work. And then I know there were some injuries and stuff like that and then recruiting wasn’t ideal. But just curious because what if it worked out ? Haven’t heard one positive possible outcome yet lol

They absolutely can.

But they don't reenter at a Syracuse-level job.

 

[Cappy3]

I will find out more on who he is looking at for coaches but I know one name for sure that he’s been talking to to join the coaching staff - our favorite trash talking #23 Eric Devendorf

So we’d go back to an all alum coaching staff?

 

[kingtidge]

Think about the advantages we’ll get by hiring someone that already knows where Euclid Ave is located and has been inside varsity for a slice of pizza.

That's you hinting the Pitino swoop is happening... I knew it all along.