Coach Search Options after Autry

[Owens guy]

Door 1 - More money bad/failed coach
Door 2 - Less money up and coming coach

Door 2 100 times out of 100 for Syracuse
Door 1 100 times out of 100 for Melo and his son

Door 1 - Hop
Door 2 - Lyke
Door 3 - Gun

 

[Jeremy L.]

Who knew Melo was an old, white guy?

More about the BOT supporting what he says

 

[sweetpea]

It just makes sense and it’s professional.

A lot of successful coaches aren't making sense then. Let's have a winning coach first.

 

[Consigliere]

It sounds like a donor bidding war, whoever has the most resources wins. With the Melo camp figure for Hopkins for as far as I’m concerned would sky rocket Syracuse to the top 5 nationally, perhaps even number 1 for the immediate future when it comes to roster spending.

To be fair the only place it sounds like a donor bidding was is in this thread.

 

[sufan59]

To be fair the only place it sounds like a donor bidding was is in this thread.

 

[DilemaCuse]

So at the end of the day, who is making the actual hire? What is this persons knowledge of actual basketball coaching styles (play designs, game management) Why do I feel like that person has less knowledge than 90% of the board here?

Like they say in the nfl (get football people to make the decisions) who are these people at su?

To me it seems like they lack that knowledge to put it kindly

Well thats obvious based on the decision 3 years ago when our program was declining, Uconn was recovering, St Johns was courting Pitino and we hired an assistant who was elevated right around the start of the decline.

 

[kingtidge]

... He was a failure at a worse school, worse job, and worse conference but somehow has a chance to fall backwards into a better school, job and conference simply because our blood lust for nepotism and competence. Coaches, players, any one can improve at anything but you don’t do that with almost instant gratification, it’s earned. You have to grind your way back. Nowhere in any world has Hop grinded his way back to earning this job. Of course there’s cases that go against the grain(actually based on that AI rundown it may not be at this level of college ball lol) but majority of the time if they failed, they’re gone fail again.

Agree with everything you wrote except what's bolded...

Quite frankly, if Hop's hired, it's proof-positive we're not a better school or job for basketball anymore... Not in the slightest.

We'd simply be a dysfunctional mess who's decision makers are stuck in reverse and the nostalgia of yesteryear, with a focus on the past and lacking any real strategic, modern vision for the program ...And our decisions guided by that approach are downright terrible.

It would be a sobering reality (instead of siezing a golden opportunity to embrace strategic, needed change.)

 

[Cusefan0307]

Great work all. 40 pages since yesterday morning. We are on a record pace.

 

[NKR1978]

Great work all. 40 pages since yesterday morning. We are on a record pace.

Not quite Chris Ash worthy.

 

[Widget24]

Again, love the guy. Very well-spoken. But I do not want him as the next HC.

 

[Scotch]

Lyke and Hopkins a true dream team

I'm more worried about Lyke than Hop, and I'm pretty worried about Hop.

 

[Consigliere]

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this isn’t the win you think it is when the entire universe knows that Romar is one of the worst power 6 coaches in recent history. Romar brought in big time talent, and couldn’t do a damn thing(still went to 6 tournaments in 15 years, compared to Hopkins 1 in 7!).Hopkins brought in big time talent, and also some existing big time talent, and outside of one year in the worst pac 12 in its history, did absolutely nothing but fail just like Romar.

and this reply proves my exact point I’ve been making for weeks about multiple posters people close to the situation. Completely ignorant and clueless to real world of college basketball.

Top post is in response to a statement that Hop’s success was because he had Romar’s players. He supplemented a 9-23 team with four freshmen and led them to a 21 and 27 win season. Don’t understand the attempt to belittle that.

Second post just pointing out facts. Hodgson may well be the perfect coach for this situation and I will support him if he is the pick, but it’s not like he is knocking off highly ranked teams every night. He has something to prove at this level. Personally I like his style of play and think he can be reasonably successful but would not consider hiring him to be a no brainer or consider the coaching search to be a failure if he is not the hire.

 

[Blanko97]

Wow are you off on this one. He wasn't claiming he had insight. He was just endorsing him because of familiarity with the program which he prioritizes. But to say he's the least plugged in? I'd delete your post.

I am most certainly not off. Im not using this as a singular instance. I don't think its debatable frankly, of the people who are around the ACC most in media, he is the most unplugged. He gives mark packer a run for his money.

 

[007]

So at the end of the day, who is making the actual hire? What is this persons knowledge of actual basketball coaching styles (play designs, game management) Why do I feel like that person has less knowledge than 90% of the board here?

Like they say in the nfl (get football people to make the decisions) who are these people at su?

To me it seems like they lack that knowledge to put it kindly

Person?

Search Committee > AD > Chancellor > voting BoT (for fiscal approval)

Answers are coming soon...

 

[DilemaCuse]

Great video, love Hop from his time here, hell my Mom liked Hop but man...

that Washington tenure and 4-5 interim record here, scare me...

 

[Orangezoo]

Great work all. 40 pages since yesterday morning. We are on a record pace.

At least the fanbase runs level 5… which can be both good and bad depending on who you ask

 

[OrangeXtreme]

I can say this with certainty - Melo has a package of $30 million (and growing) lined up for Hop. This includes nba players, local guys and a few that have never donated to cuse ever before. The plan is to front load that money for the first 2 years to immediately become relevant. But that’s what the deal is for Hop from Melo.

 

[elimunelson]

Great video, love Hop from his time here, hell my Mom liked Hop but man...

that Washington tenure and 4-5 interim record here, scare me...

What was Bernie Fines record when he stepped in for boeheim ?

 

[DilemaCuse]

Top post is in response to a statement that Hop’s success was because he had Romar’s players. He supplemented a 9-23 team with four freshmen and led them to a 21 and 27 win season. Don’t understand the attempt to belittle that.

Second post just pointing out facts. Hodgson may well be the perfect coach for this situation and I will support him if he is the pick, but it’s not like he is knocking off highly ranked teams every night. He has something to prove at this level. Personally I like his style of play and think he can be reasonably successful but would not consider hiring him to be a no brainer or consider the coaching search to be a failure if he is not the hire.

Lot of truth in your post but, "but it’s not like he is knocking off highly ranked teams every night."

He doesnt get to play highly ranked teams every night!

The only people doing that are Bill Self, Jon Scheyer Kelvin Samson, Tommy Lloyd, Dusty May, Tom Izzo, Todd Golden, thats about it. Apologies if I missed someone but I dont think were landing any of them.

 

[PauliePeppas]

Person?

Search Committee > AD > Chancellor > voting BoT (for fiscal approval)

Answers are coming soon...

Lotta cooks in the kitchen….

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

This. Let’s not let someone who has a smaller vision in mind then the end goal of Syracuse becoming a nationally relevant program for decades to come influence the crucial decision-making of the university.

Carmelo would not be nearly involved if his son, Kiyan Anthony was not at stake here. Let’s be real.

Great, Hopkins gets money. Let’s say (and this is imo best case scenario) Hopkins pulls off what Kentucky did this year. Let’s give him a 10 seed.

Is that type of money going to be sustained? Would anyone here want to give millions a year for a 10 seed in the tournament?

This hire is about the well-being of this program for a long long time to come. To right the ship and be on the correct side of the changing ways of this era.

DO NOT let someone who only has the next three years of their sons basketball career in mind destroy decades (and future decades) of a proud basketball program that has positively had an impact on thousands more.

And (IMO) Melo will be out when his son is out.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Lotta cooks in the kitchen….

Committes are groups of people looking for someone else to make a decision, this little gets done, and rarely does it get done well. (Look no further than our national political committees)

 

[Orangezoo]

Again, love the guy. Very well-spoken. But I do not want him as the next HC.

No disrespect to Hop as he absolutely is a good speaker and motivator but if you have been in corporate America long enough you’ve been through a ton of such events maybe even been the speaker.

On the other side is give me the Xs and Os that clearly layout the substance over the fluff. The orange standard was a culture too…

Beyond that comes can you have both the tactical side and the ability to teach and motivate a group of kids making real money in such a way they both understand the concepts, the effort and then execute both in moments of success and failure alike? As well as do you have the ability to make adjustments on the fly because you can see what is needed and have instilled as much knowledge as possible into your players that those adjustments can be executed effectively?

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Well thats obvious based on the decision 3 years ago when our program was declining, Uconn was recovering, St Johns was courting Pitino and we hired an assistant who was elevated right around the start of the decline.

The start of the decline was well before that. The early decline was hidden from many by intermittent tourney successes.

 

[baggerbob]

Well..

If we’re looking at somewhere between 15 to 20 million, annually and committed, in additional NIL funding above what we currently have…

If thats in the cards


I’d take Hop surrounded by top tier assistants if we cant get near the same with other candidates.

Have Hop be CEO. Its 2026. Money turns programs around on a dime quicker than anything else. Thats exactly what Jim Boeheim would tell you, whether talking about SU’s future or college basketball in general.

A good coach can struggle with a limited war chest in the P4. A bad coach can make the tournament while funded. It’s a horrible time in sports. Evolve or die.

*ducks*

If you have the large amount of money you hire Hop as the Head Coach( Director of Operations), then you hire well paid assistants who know offense and defense. Then you go out and buy the players who will fit the system.