Coach Search Options after Autry

[OrangeXtreme]

I can say this with certainty - Melo has a package of $30 million (and growing) lined up for Hop. This includes nba players, local guys and a few that have never donated to cuse ever before. The plan is to front load that money for the first 2 years to immediately become relevant. But that’s what the deal is for Hop from Melo.

 

[elimunelson]

Great video, love Hop from his time here, hell my Mom liked Hop but man...

that Washington tenure and 4-5 interim record here, scare me...

What was Bernie Fines record when he stepped in for boeheim ?

 

[DilemaCuse]

Top post is in response to a statement that Hop’s success was because he had Romar’s players. He supplemented a 9-23 team with four freshmen and led them to a 21 and 27 win season. Don’t understand the attempt to belittle that.

Second post just pointing out facts. Hodgson may well be the perfect coach for this situation and I will support him if he is the pick, but it’s not like he is knocking off highly ranked teams every night. He has something to prove at this level. Personally I like his style of play and think he can be reasonably successful but would not consider hiring him to be a no brainer or consider the coaching search to be a failure if he is not the hire.

Lot of truth in your post but, "but it’s not like he is knocking off highly ranked teams every night."

He doesnt get to play highly ranked teams every night!

The only people doing that are Bill Self, Jon Scheyer Kelvin Samson, Tommy Lloyd, Dusty May, Tom Izzo, Todd Golden, thats about it. Apologies if I missed someone but I dont think were landing any of them.

 

[PauliePeppas]

Person?

Search Committee > AD > Chancellor > voting BoT (for fiscal approval)

Answers are coming soon...

Lotta cooks in the kitchen….

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

This. Let’s not let someone who has a smaller vision in mind then the end goal of Syracuse becoming a nationally relevant program for decades to come influence the crucial decision-making of the university.

Carmelo would not be nearly involved if his son, Kiyan Anthony was not at stake here. Let’s be real.

Great, Hopkins gets money. Let’s say (and this is imo best case scenario) Hopkins pulls off what Kentucky did this year. Let’s give him a 10 seed.

Is that type of money going to be sustained? Would anyone here want to give millions a year for a 10 seed in the tournament?

This hire is about the well-being of this program for a long long time to come. To right the ship and be on the correct side of the changing ways of this era.

DO NOT let someone who only has the next three years of their sons basketball career in mind destroy decades (and future decades) of a proud basketball program that has positively had an impact on thousands more.

And (IMO) Melo will be out when his son is out.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Lotta cooks in the kitchen….

Committes are groups of people looking for someone else to make a decision, this little gets done, and rarely does it get done well. (Look no further than our national political committees)

 

[Orangezoo]

Again, love the guy. Very well-spoken. But I do not want him as the next HC.

No disrespect to Hop as he absolutely is a good speaker and motivator but if you have been in corporate America long enough you’ve been through a ton of such events maybe even been the speaker.

On the other side is give me the Xs and Os that clearly layout the substance over the fluff. The orange standard was a culture too…

Beyond that comes can you have both the tactical side and the ability to teach and motivate a group of kids making real money in such a way they both understand the concepts, the effort and then execute both in moments of success and failure alike? As well as do you have the ability to make adjustments on the fly because you can see what is needed and have instilled as much knowledge as possible into your players that those adjustments can be executed effectively?

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Well thats obvious based on the decision 3 years ago when our program was declining, Uconn was recovering, St Johns was courting Pitino and we hired an assistant who was elevated right around the start of the decline.

The start of the decline was well before that. The early decline was hidden from many by internment tourney successes.

 

[baggerbob]

Well..

If we’re looking at somewhere between 15 to 20 million, annually and committed, in additional NIL funding above what we currently have…

If thats in the cards


I’d take Hop surrounded by top tier assistants if we cant get near the same with other candidates.

Have Hop be CEO. Its 2026. Money turns programs around on a dime quicker than anything else. Thats exactly what Jim Boeheim would tell you, whether talking about SU’s future or college basketball in general.

A good coach can struggle with a limited war chest in the P4. A bad coach can make the tournament while funded. It’s a horrible time in sports. Evolve or die.

*ducks*

If you have the large amount of money you hire Hop as the Head Coach( Director of Operations), then you hire well paid assistants who know offense and defense. Then you go out and buy the players who will fit the system.

 

[DilemaCuse]

What was Bernie Fines record when he stepped in for boeheim ?

good question, would have to look it up, 01-02 season
might have struggled, I know that team folded down the stretch due to Dashaun W

 

[elimunelson]

good question, would have to look it up, 01-02 season
might have struggled, I know that team folded down the stretch due to Dashaun W

I don’t hold any interim record against fine or Hopkins when lord Vader was still around

Red has the keys and can be held accountable.

 

[PauliePeppas]

Committes are groups of people looking for someone else to make a decision, this little gets done, and rarely does it get done well. (Look no further than our national political committees)

Bingo

 

[DilemaCuse]

The start of the decline was well before that. The early decline was hidden from many by internment tourney successes.

Ironically I point to when Hop left due to recruiting drop off
I dont blame the ACC or the Sanctions but the 3 year exit ramp for JB that never happened and then the recruiting drop off that continued when Hop left for UW

 

[Jbin94]

We aren’t winning with Hop no matter how much money he has.

Totally agree

 

[VikesCuse84]

I'm more worried about Lyke than Hop, and I'm pretty worried about Hop.

Same here

 

[Trueblue25]

”performed the job successfully” HAH this is exactly why this program is where it is because they’re so far up their own cavity they’re high off the fumes of their own arrogance.

Was referencing Pitino and K there. To an extent JB too but things really went downhill for him with the intro of NIL

 

[phil77]

Can't believe so many people are like yup I know Hop is a bad coach, but Melo and his friends are giving up a one-time influx of at least 30 million NIL dollars that keeps growing, so it is all good and the correct move.

 

[Consigliere]

Lot of truth in your post but, "but it’s not like he is knocking off highly ranked teams every night."

He doesnt get to play highly ranked teams every night!

The only people doing that are Bill Self, Jon Scheyer Kelvin Samson, Tommy Lloyd, Dusty May, Tom Izzo, Todd Golden, thats about it. Apologies if I missed someone but I dont think were landing any of them.

Agree! And I probably could do a better job of expressing it, but my point is there is no empirical evidence that Hodgson, with a TBD roster, can beat the Duke, UNC, Virginia and Louisville level teams he would be facing here. Very well possible he can, but without the evidence I can’t necessarily say missing out on him would be an abject failure or that he is the only one of the rumored candidates that should be considered. And we tried the faith without evidence thing, didn’t we?

 

[FrancoPizza]

If you have the large amount of money you hire Hop as the Head Coach( Director of Operations), then you hire well paid assistants who know offense and defense. Then you go out and buy the players who will fit the system.

That still leaves the bench coaching to Hop. Pass.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Can't believe so many people are like yup I know Hop is a bad coach, but Melo and his friends are giving up a one-time influx of at least 30 million NIL dollars that keeps growing, so it is all good and the correct move.

I think we are simply squinting really hard for any excuse to talk ourselves off the ledge.

 

[RF2044]

Agree! And I probably could do a better job of expressing it, but my point is there is no empirical evidence that Hodgson, with a TBD roster, can beat the Duke, UNC, Virginia and Louisville level teams he would be facing here. Very well possible he can, but without the evidence I can’t necessarily say missing out on him would be an abject failure or that he is the only one of the rumored candidates that should be considered. And we tried the faith without evidence thing, didn’t we?

I think you might be focusing on the wrong question. A better question might be: could Hodgson beat the Duke, UNC, Virginia, Louisville teams once he's implemented his system, and gotten system fits, as a long-term program transformation.

Not worried so much about performance being optimized in year 1. But the footprint needs to be in place, to set the table for future sucess.

Faith without evidence is unnecessary here -- because he's shown his ability to elevate teams not once, but twice, in short order.

 

[Jasoncuse]

I still can't wrap my head around Melo drumming up so much cash from whoever it is he is courting, and then thinking Hop is what is best for his son and Syracuse. And these benefactors, why are they potentially so heavily involved/invested in Hop? Do they blindly trust Melo? Just wild to me.

If Hop was at another school, having success and this was just trying to get a top coach back home, then it makes sense. But Hop is an assistant in the NBA for a crap franchise with little college HC success and no intrigue nationally.

Wouldn't Melo want his son in a proven offensive system with the ability to build his NBA resume from there? Can't he see the 1-on-1 nature of this season's offense is not going to go well!?

Just makes it seem Melo has no idea what is best for his son's basketball future and only wants him playing for a friend. That is probably harsh and even wrong, but that's what this appears to be.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Can't believe so many people are like yup I know Hop is a bad coach, but Melo and his friends are giving up a one-time influx of at least 30 million NIL dollars that keeps growing, so it is all good and the correct move.

YOLO man

 

[RF2044]

I still can't wrap my head around Melo drumming up so much cash from whoever it is he is courting, and then thinking Hop is what is best for his son and Syracuse. And these benefactors, why are they potentially so heavily involved/invested in Hop? Do they blindly trust Melo? Just wild to me.

If Hop was at another school, having success and this was just trying to get a top coach back home, then it makes sense. But Hop is an assistant in the NBA for a crap franchise with little college HC success and no intrigue nationally.

Wouldn't Melo want his son in a proven offensive system with the ability to build his NBA resume from there? Can't he see the 1-on-1 nature of this season's offense is not going to go well!?

Just makes it seem Melo has no idea what is best for his son's basketball future and only wants him playing for a friend. That is probably harsh and even wrong, but that's what this appears to be.

I see it a little differently -- I think he wants Hop because he knows having Hop [who Melo has a strong personal relationship with] guarantees Melo access to the coaching staff, which will in turn enable him to have a [minor] say in how Kiyan is coached.

After this year didn't go the way Carmelo would have preferred for his kid, I'm guessing that he wants more access / influence over the next coach.

I don't think it is just about pumping up his friend, I think the motivations are more overtly selfish.

 

[Owens guy]

Can't believe so many people are like yup I know Hop is a bad coach, but Melo and his friends are giving up a one-time influx of at least 30 million NIL dollars that keeps growing, so it is all good and the correct move.

I don't think there are many people on this board saying they think Hop should be the next coach. For sure not over Hodgson.

Many posters are saying or implying that it will be hard for Syracuse to not pick Hop due to the huge Melo funded NIL$ that apparently only comes with Hop being selected.