Coach Search Options after Autry

[Owens guy]

So then by that logic the assumption is that if Hopkins isn't hired Melo takes his ball and goes home? No funding?

Melo's stance is, hire a worse coach, play and feature my son, and I will give you money. This isn't AAU basketball, right?

That is a losing strategy for Syracuse because the money Melo is going is a one time lump sum not an annual thing. So I would rather do what is in the best interest of Syracuse long term versus what is in the best interest of the Anthony's in the short term.

Get a proven coach with offensive and defensive systems build NIL structure the correct way to get stable annual support. If Melo doesn't want to be apart of that, so be it.

Yes, insiders have hinted that Melo's big NIL$ will not appear if Hop is not the next coach.

I think picking Hop is a losing strategy too but there are also no 100% guarantee no matter who is the next coach.

 

[sufan59]

I don’t know if you’re a poster or lurker here, but people are noticing the weird shift on twitter. Imagine what people are thinking who don’t know about the 30 mill plus and that Melo is behind it with the context of Hopkins and still many aren’t sold. Still, I hope they are noticing the fan base wants an outsider.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

Nobody knows how either coach will do. What we do knows that BH will inject energy into the program with a fast paced high scoring team that will at least entertain. We aren’t entertained now. I have been to one game in two years and that was because my kid wanted to see Flagg. BH will need a couple yrs to compete with the dooks and tar holes but I think most are willing to see that transition. I fear Bringing in hop would be the same old same old and we will be having these convis again in three yrs. This school has had one of the worst managed athletic departments in D1 over the last 25 yrs and they have a chance to make a bold move with a guy who’s rep is growing exponentially. Sure BH could fail too, but I think we all know what hop will bring. I hope most of the hop talk is a last ditch effort by JB apologists.

And we know who has the much higher upside. And this will be the only time to hire that coach.

Hopefully Wildhack realizes that and makes the right move.

 

[Cappy3]

Nobody knows how either coach will do. What we do knows that BH will inject energy into the program with a fast paced high scoring team that will at least entertain. We aren’t entertained now. I have been to one game in two years and that was because my kid wanted to see Flagg. BH will need a couple yrs to compete with the dooks and tar holes but I think most are willing to see that transition. I fear Bringing in hop would be the same old same old and we will be having these convis again in three yrs. This school has had one of the worst managed athletic departments in D1 over the last 25 yrs and they have a chance to make a bold move with a guy who’s rep is growing exponentially. Sure BH could fail too, but I think we all know what hop will bring. I hope most of the hop talk is a last ditch effort by JB apologists.

Totally agree except your fist sentence should say “any coach”. Nobody on here is Nostradamus.

 

[LAorange44]

Is the Shark about to learn that there is always a bigger fish out there?!?!?! Stay tuned folks. Hold on to your butts.

 

[phil77]

I don’t know if you’re a poster or lurker here, but people are noticing the weird shift on twitter. Imagine what people are thinking who don’t know about the 30 mill plus and that Melo is behind it with the context of Hopkins and still many aren’t sold. Still, I hope they are noticing the fan base wants an outsider.

I think this is something that Syracuse higher ups aren't realizing or maybe they are floating it to see what the reaction is going to be.

 

[Cappy3]

Agree! And I probably could do a better job of expressing it, but my point is there is no empirical evidence that Hodgson, with a TBD roster, can beat the Duke, UNC, Virginia and Louisville level teams he would be facing here. Very well possible he can, but without the evidence I can’t necessarily say missing out on him would be an abject failure or that he is the only one of the rumored candidates that should be considered. And we tried the faith without evidence thing, didn’t we?

Well, I agree we should consider other candidates with a record of recent success, and the shown ability to mold an offense. But that ain’t Hop.

 

[qdawgg]

Why hasn't Hop gotten another HC job since Washington?

He commands too high a salary for all the winning he was going to do at his next stop.

 

[Cusean]

I’m not advocating either way, but didn’t Hop win PAC-12 coach of the year his first two seasons. I believe he had two starters including his PG and star center out the entire season with injuries his last year as well. Again, not making excuses or saying he was John Wooden. But I don’t believe he was a complete flop.

 

[sufan59]

I think this is something that Syracuse higher ups aren't realizing or maybe they are floating it to see what the reaction is going to be.

Say they are crazy enough to make this hire, they would need to find a way to publicize the funding that is coming with it. But again I don't know if that will even be enough. The data doesn't support Hopkins ability to produce greatness with talent. Atleast the players that play with him with NBA talent potential still move on to the NBA.

 

[kingtidge]

And we know who has the much higher upside. And this will be the only time to hire that coach.

Hopefully Wildhack realizes that and makes the right move.

Wildhack is simply waiting to be told what the decision is so he can announce it.

 

[RedtheGOB]

I implore others to do the same - Wildhack, while having a pulse of the fanbase, isn't sitting around sourcing message boards (anymore). This fanbase is the program; make yourselves heard.

Wildhack’s email is easy to find and planning on emailing tonight after reading some of the warning signs. Any others that may hold sway?

 

[LAorange44]

Hop has sent almost 30 players to the league when you count his time as an assistant. I’m not worried about the Hopper’s ability to send players to the league.

 

[Cappy3]

I’m not advocating either way, but didn’t Hop win PAC-12 coach of the year his first two seasons. I believe he had two starters including his PG and star center out the entire season with injuries his last year as well. Again, not making excuses or saying he was John Wooden. But I don’t believe he was a complete flop.

He was. But only one of those 2 teams made the NCAAT, which shows how much they were valued. And after that he went 70-84. So yeah, a complete flop.

 

[qdawgg]

Wildhack’s email is easy to find and planning on emailing tonight after reading some of the warning signs. Any others that may hold sway?

I’m pretty sure an email from “RedtheGOB” will be all the sway necessary.

 

[crv1728]

And who knows the most about basketball in our area? How about JB. You want him making the decisions?

If JB could be objective , I would want him making the decision, absolutely! He watches more college basketball (or at least he used to ) than any other person in the world. BUT he can’t be objective, in my opinion, and therefore should have no input.

 

[phil77]

Say they are crazy enough to make this hire, they would need to find a way to publicize the funding that is coming with it. But again I don't know if that will even be enough. The data doesn't support Hopkins ability to produce greatness with talent. Atleast the players that play with him with NBA talent potential still move on to the NBA.

I don't think people will get behind Hopkins the way they think they will, even with the money and local media pumping him up. The casuals and even a lot of the die hards are looking for change

 

[LAorange44]

He was. But only one of those 2 teams made the NCAAT, which shows how much they were valued. And after that he went 70-84. So yeah, a complete flop.

Washington is also 27-42 since Hopper left. Maybe there are some systemic issues in the programs

 

[Sherman20]

Outside of Syracuse, I wonder how much college basketball Melo watched this year? I mean, he is the expert making the coaching hire, so I imagine he has gone through hours of tape and watched all the up-and-coming coaches to give Syracuse the best coaching hire he could. He can tell me what kind of offensive and defensive systems everyone runs etc. I am sure he has done this homework.

And his homework led him to Hopkins, a coach who was fired from his P4 job with a .527 winning percentage and the tournament only once in 6 years despite multiple NBA players on his roster. That coach was so heavily thought of in the college ranks, he didn't get another job, so he went to be an assistant NBA coach where that NBA team was awful and then was let go from that position and now is in charge of player development for a losing team. After doing a national search, Melo said yes man, that is the guy for sure to lead Syracuse. I know it.

I will say I expressed this worry a month or two ago about Melo getting involved in the coaching search and mucking things up. I said my fear was he’d push some NBA coach, ala Indiana hiring Mike Woodson. I just didn’t even consider the possibility of Hop, because his record at Washington was so bad.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I’m not advocating either way, but didn’t Hop win PAC-12 coach of the year his first two seasons. I believe he had two starters including his PG and star center out the entire season with injuries his last year as well. Again, not making excuses or saying he was John Wooden. But I don’t believe he was a complete flop.

Injuries happen everywhere. After 7 years you are who you are. He averaged 70 ppg!!! That’s awful.

 

[Cappy3]

Washington is also 27-42 since Hopper left. Maybe there are some systemic issues in the programs

How many first round draft picks have they had since he left? After all, he did manage to go 15-17 with TWO first round picks. So maybe he brought on the “systemic issues”. And it’s not like the Pac 10 was the B10 or SEC. That’s why it’s gone.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I don't think people will get behind Hopkins the way they think they will, even with the money and local media pumping him up. The casuals and even a lot of the die hards are looking for change

The PR is going to be a disaster. The national media will be all over it.

 

[sufan59]

Injuries happen everywhere. After 7 years you are who you are. He averaged 70 ppg!!! That’s awful.

We've seen plenty of teams in this season navigate without their best player and still win games, sometimes actually looking better. Our biggest win of the season is without our best player.

 

[crv1728]

Great video, love Hop from his time here, hell my Mom liked Hop but man...

that Washington tenure and 4-5 interim record here, scare me...

If I remember correctly, we got blown out by St. John’s at home with Hop at the interim helm, and that scared many fans.

 

[RedtheGOB]

I’m pretty sure an email from “RedtheGOB” will be all the sway necessary.

Not like politicians give 2 craps about me either but a vote is a vote.