Coach Search Options after Autry

[RF2044]

If the coach you are hiring comes with an expectation that he needs to hire great assistants because he’s not good with X’s and O’s, he’s absolutely not the right guy.

Spot on.

And really, it takes extreme rationalization to think otherwise.

Hop was a high voltage recruiter, but his contacts from the east coast are now 10 years removed, so even that isn't a sure thing. And the recruiting landscape has shifted dramatically, so what worked then isn't nearly as important now.

So, what we're left with is a guy who flopped at his last coaching job, showing a disturbingly large number of red flags, who apparently needs top flight assistant coaches to overcome his inherent limitations with X's and O's.

If his name was "Mike Johnson," nobody would ever support this.

 

[Cuse_NYC]

i love devo as much as the next person. but people ask why hasn't hop gotten other job offers (fair question). why hasn't devo? the year he was here his title was training or something. he was at detroit mercy for a year and he was some special asst to the hc. all this time, why isn't he an asst coach someplace?

Unsure. But, as a 3rd asst, why not? Def wants to win and is a body in practice at the very least. Honestly, anyone is an upgrade over our HC and assts.

 

[JaySU22]

Yeah, he’s someone I've suggested as well. I think he’ll be a hot name next year if and when he gets Charleston back on top. Personally, the guy rubs me the wrong way and seems kind of shady, but he’s certainly a proven winner.

Agreed, think he's at least worthy of an interview. Did great at Xavier, got into a weird situation in Louisville, but we have seen far far worse in college hoops. He's got another good job in him I'd think.

 

[Cuse_NYC]

Still waiting for someone to give Welsh a shot as an asst. Great bball mind

 

[Jake]

If the coach you are hiring comes with an expectation that he needs to hire great assistants because he’s not good with X’s and O’s, he’s absolutely not the right guy.

Didn’t realize you were anti-Fran. I think there are exceptions.

 

[Jasoncuse]

What!

What they are doing to red is ridiculous imo. If the assumption is we need to wait out the 2% chance he runs the table to the ncaa they are even more callous.

Time to make the call. We all know it anyway it’s a stupid parlour game at this point

Maybe SU did the same thing and gave Autry the chance to finish out the year, and he said yes? Maybe they agreed to wait to announce until right after the year?

 

[35kcuse]

People convincing themselves with a bunch of “if’s” that Hopkins can work is strikingly similar to when Autry was hired without a national search. If there are a bunch of “well if this happens” or “if this goes right then…” then that candidate is not your guy. Simple.

If he needs a 30 million dollar rumor to even remotely be considered, then he is certainly not your answer.

 

[35kcuse]

Didn’t realize you were anti-Fran. I think there are exceptions.

Football is so much different than basketball. Cmon now.

 

[kcsu]

I’m shocked you would have this take.

I can understood that. However I'm pretty close to the NIL picture and it's crazy how much it matters. That and a great personality will attract talent. If the money is close I'm all for the guy from Florida. If not I'll take the talent. I'll give you that he is probably the better coach but I'll take Hop and better talent as the best bet to get Syracuse back in the Dance.

 

[tptcuse]

I think I’m feeling a little better about the AD search. No inside info. The ad search committee has tirico on it. I dont think he would let this happen. In addition they have hired a search firm, which dives into candidates backgrounds. I would hope and think they would uncover all the nasty stuff at Pitt on Lyke.

Maybe I’m too optimistic, I’m hoping these two factors prevent Lyke from being the next AD.

I’m with you on this. The fact that they named an actual committee with well-respected and diverse members tells me the AD search will be less about personalities and vibes.

 

[RF2044]

I can understood that. However I'm pretty close to the NIL picture and it's crazy how much it matters. That and a great personality will attract talent. If the money is close I'm all for the guy from Florida. If not I'll take the talent. I'll give you that he is probably the better coach but I'll take Hop and better talent as the best bet to get Syracuse back in the Dance.

The best bet to get Syracuse back into the dance is a coach with competent offensive / defensive systems and a proven track record of success, not an unsustainable expectation around having to spend at the top of the NIL food chain to offset a coach's limitations.

 

[sufan59]

Football is so much different than basketball. Cmon now.

I know, Syracuse Football wasn’t attracting a guy like Hodgson with his pedigree. If Hodgson makes the tournament or even just wins the American it would be like if Syracuse Football hired Jon Sumrall. Fran was a risky, but game changer kind of hire. Syracuse Basketball was pulling in 4 and 5 star players with Red.

 

[35kcuse]

And for the record as well, if anyone of you are unaware… Hodgson is a terrific motivator who has gone viral multiple times for speeches in the locker room (ex: Buffalo TBT)

He is not some dud who has no personality. I don’t even really think Hopkins has that edge on him at all to be completely honest.

 

[tptcuse]

I tend to lean overly optimistic and try to give people a chance, but it's hard to disagree. I still never miss a basketball or football game. But if this comes to fruition, my mindset right now is it's difficult to keep supporting a school with the same passion I have always had if they can't get out of their own way. And Syracuse has always been my #1 sports love, so it's very hard for me to say that.

I’m a glutton for punishment. I’ll always watch.

 

[Cuse2023]

Didn’t realize you were anti-Fran. I think there are exceptions.

This isn’t football. There’s a huge difference. And I’m a fan of Fran, but the jury is very much still out on whether he’s going to be successful here.

 

[Briancuse]

If we do hire hop because of the so called war chest, I will say the following. I expect to be at the top of the acc every year in nil. I not once want to hear we are middle of the pack in nil spending. Or hear the excuse we lost so and so in the portal because we couldn't afford him.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

If you want the guy who has proven success, hands down it's Chris Mack. He's been to nine NCAA tournaments. One Elite Eight and three Sweet Sixteens and overall NCAAT record of 11-9. I'm surprised more people haven't been on his bandwagon.

It was mentioned elsewhere that Mack was approached, but did something to piss off SU. Someone I know implying that Mack was involved was the origin of the optimism I had expressed before the current poo tornado touched down.

 

[sufan59]

I can understood that. However I'm pretty close to the NIL picture and it's crazy how much it matters. That and a great personality will attract talent. If the money is close I'm all for the guy from Florida. If not I'll take the talent. I'll give you that he is probably the better coach but I'll take Hop and better talent as the best bet to get Syracuse back in the Dance.

If Syracuse is spending more than 15 million on its roster or for that matter are spending top 10 nationally on its roster, it would be a disappointment to not be ranked throughout the year and make the Elite 8. This is a splash investment. There is no building up to big time. If Syracuse went with an outsider that started with top 40 resources, I would be good with a methodical build up.

 

[35kcuse]

I know, Syracuse Football wasn’t attracting a guy like Hodgson if the roles were reversed.

I know it, the things I see on this board are so illogical sometimes. And people wonder why this university has fallen off a cliff.

First. Football has 85 scholarship players. Basketball has 13. Let’s start with that.

Football also has tiers of coaches. Example being HC, coordinators, position coaches, quality control, analysts, etc. Basketball has a coach and 3-4 assistants. It’s a completely different system of operations. When you have a much larger group of people to control and keep on the same page, a motivator becomes more of a priority from the top person.

In football, it is extremely common for coordinators to call games both defensively and offensively. In basketball, game side decisions are 95% of the time made by a head coach.

We’ve dealt with years of pain with Autry. For the love of god, do not put another stupid game manager on the sidelines if you want even a hint of national relevancy again.

Last point. Todd Golden (the most recent national championship winning head coach) had zero experience coaching at the power five level. Hodgson is so painfully obvious as the next person here. He fits the mold.

The Hopkins talk (and backing) completely blows my mind.

 

[grepal]

If the coach you are hiring comes with an expectation that he needs to hire great assistants because he’s not good with X’s and O’s, he’s absolutely not the right guy.

Hurley has been ok and he lets Murray plan and run the offense. His main attribute is intensity

 

[OrangeXtreme]

i love devo as much as the next person. but people ask why hasn't hop gotten other job offers (fair question). why hasn't devo? the year he was here his title was training or something. he was at detroit mercy for a year and he was some special asst to the hc. all this time, why isn't he an asst coach someplace?

Devo left UDM because he wanted to move back to Syracuse to be close to his daughter.

 

[LpoolNative]

i love devo as much as the next person. but people ask why hasn't hop gotten other job offers (fair question). why hasn't devo? the year he was here his title was training or something. he was at detroit mercy for a year and he was some special asst to the hc. all this time, why isn't he an asst coach someplace?

Maybe he didn’t want to be, I don’t know the reason. I don’t know if anyone does. He’s doing a great job as a color commentator as of now.

 

[35kcuse]

Hurley has been ok and he lets Murray plan and run the offense. His main attribute is intensity

Ahh yes Mike Hopkins and Dan Hurley. Very similar people.

 

[kcsu]

The best bet to get Syracuse back into the dance is a coach with competent offensive / defensive systems and a proven track record of success, not an unsustainable expectation around having to spend at the top of the NIL food chain to offset a coach's limitations.

The better coach but only if the NIL is close. If not, superior talent almost always wins. Just ask JB

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

The better coach but only if the NIL is close. If not, superior talent almost always wins. Just ask JB

I think Red has shown us the fallacy of that perspective. Coaching is extremely important in the college game.