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[hoopsupstate]

You mean like when Hop went 15-17with two first round picks?

Two great front court players, but you still need guards.

 

[LAorange44]

hello,

does anybody know if Hop went 15-17 as head coach at Washington. I can’t recall.
thank you.

 

[phil77]

hello,

does anybody know if Hop went 15-17 as head coach at Washington. I can’t recall.
thank you.

He coached more than 32 games.
you are welcome

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

hello,

does anybody know if Hop went 15-17 as head coach at Washington. I can’t recall.
thank you.

Remember, there's always a bigger fish.

 

[Starman]

All along, along, there were incidents and accidents
There were hints and allegations

Better go read the last 20 pages to be sure

 

[dasher]

Who would coach offense under Mike Hopkins? Can they poach Luke Murray or someone with a similar reputation for 2 million a year and give them the AHC title? If you want to be a sure elite program you can’t skimp out on coaching. Hopkins would need a proven offensive genius with him. Fran got Vince Kehres, Hopkins needs to get a guy like that for offense specifically and immediately. Like the system and culture matters so much in producing a consistently winning college basketball team and program.

We can't pay a ass't coach 2 million a year. That is fantasy land.

 

[sufan59]

We can't pay a ass't coach 2 million a year. That is fantasy land.

I know it’s why this idea is a horrible idea if Hopkins doesn’t have connections to a proven offensive and defensive guru to pay them a reasonable amount. Because you are going to have to pay up to poach.

 

[phil77]

I know a way we can build a winner with Mike Hopkins as a head coach. Here it is:

HC - Mike Hopkins
Assistant 1 - Nate Oats (in charge of offense)
Assistant 2 - Kelvin Sampson (in charge of defense)

 

[kcsu]

Just ask Kentucky this year.

It's backwards thinking, IMO. Wishful thinking, actually.

Agreed if the NIL is close. Your wrong if you think any coach can win without solid backing.

 

[Briancuse]

I know a way we can build a winner with Mike Hopkins as a head coach. Here it is:

HC - Mike Hopkins
Assistant 1 - Nate Oats (in charge of offense)
Assistant 2 - Kelvin Sampson (in charge of defense)

Quality control coach- Jay Wright

 

[sufan59]

I know a way we can build a winner with Mike Hopkins as a head coach. Here it is:

HC - Mike Hopkins
Assistant 1 - Nate Oats (in charge of offense)
Assistant 2 - Kelvin Sampson (in charge of defense)

 

[kcsu]

You mean like when Hop went 15-17with two first round picks?

Fair take.

 

[dasher]

Fair take.

the truth is that you are both right. You have to have a boatload of Nil to be who we want to be and who we think we are. But all the money in the world doesn't make a bad coach a good coach. We need both. Somehow, and I can't see how, we have to merge these two sides. LOL I would give it a go but after my attempt to get AW back in good grace, I will let someone else carry the ball on this one.

 

[MG44]

We can't pay a ass't coach 2 million a year. That is fantasy land.

I thought bnoro was supposed to be the guy that always ruined everything

 

[RF2044]

Agreed if the NIL is close. Your wrong if you think any coach can win without solid backing.

Straw man

 

[Trueblue25]

Did you see who he had on staff at UW?? One now at USC, two out of coaching now and another a HC at a community college….

If you are going to be a CEO type then you need to bring in that staff identifying who is going to get the job done right. If he’s the CEO and is getting help to fill out his staff the right way then it makes little sense why not to go with BH as many are saying.

No idea but im assuming he was not provided significant funds to form a staff at UW. Or at least not near whats been suggested in this thread

 

[Irishsecra1]

Can anyone please explain for those of us who are less knowledgeable what happened with Hop in Washington? Why so many have decided he was a failure as a head coach and we would be unleashing the apocalypse if he was hired here?

I know he was his leagues coach of the year his first two years. He went 48-22 those years.
Seems to me that is pretty damn good.

Then came Covid and his record for those 2 years was horrific but I dont blame him for that - there were horrific records all over the country. The two Covid years were a combined 20-38. Again I completely discount all of this.

The next 3 years he went 50-46. Respectable, nothing great.

Since he left Washington went 13-18, and are currently 14-14. This is Red level of ineptitude.

Seems to me there is more going on here than Hop suddenly forgot how to coach.

Listen, I have no problem believing BH is a better coach, as is Scherz.
I also believe GMAC is better than Hop.

But nothing in his Washington record suggests he is the second coming of Red.
You don't win coach of the year in your league, let alone twice, if you are a bad coach.

Again, Hop is not my first choice, or even my second choice.
But if he can bring twice or three times the NIL money as BH, I think he has enough coaching ability to get results and get us back to the NCAAT.

I guess what I am trying to say is I am not going to refuse to renew my season tickets if they choose Hop and the higher NIL.

 

[Orangezoo]

No idea but im assuming he was not provided significant funds to form a staff at UW. Or at least not near whats been suggested in this thread

Maybe but that crew he had was damn near bottom of the barrel.

 

[Orangezoo]

Can anyone please explain for those of us who are less knowledgeable what happened with Hop in Washington? Why so many have decided he was a failure as a head coach and we would be unleashing the apocalypse if he was hired here?

I know he was his leagues coach of the year his first two years. He went 48-22 those years.
Seems to me that is pretty damn good.

Then came Covid and his record for those 2 years was horrific but I dont blame him for that - there were horrific records all over the country. The two Covid years were a combined 20-38. Again I completely discount all of this.

The next 3 years he went 50-46. Respectable, nothing great.

Since he left Washington went 13-18, and are currently 14-14. This is Red level of ineptitude.

Seems to me there is more going on here than Hop suddenly forgot how to coach.

Listen, I have no problem believing BH is a better coach, as is Scherz.
I also believe GMAC is better than Hop.

But nothing in his Washington record suggests he is the second coming of Red.
You don't win coach of the year in your league, let alone twice, if you are a bad coach.

Again, Hop is not my first choice, or even my second choice.
But if he can bring twice or three times the NIL money as BH, I think he has enough coaching ability to get results and get us back to the NCAAT.

I guess what I am trying to say is I am not going to refuse to renew my season tickets if they choose Hop and the higher NIL.

First two years did have some of Romar’s guys but also a really light schedule too.

 

[Cusefan0307]

the truth is that you are both right. You have to have a boatload of Nil to be who we want to be and who we think we are. But all the money in the world doesn't make a bad coach a good coach. We need both. Somehow, and I can't see how, we have to merge these two sides. LOL I would give it a go but after my attempt to get AW back in good grace, I will let someone else carry the ball on this one.

BIG 12 roster spend was right in line with ours with the exception of BYU. People are getting blinded by the money too much. Coaching is more important once you get to a certain level. We also committed to players this year we shouldn’t have. See JJ.

 

[35kcuse]

It always makes me laugh too how people believe that there are all these magical assistants laying around everywhere just waiting to fix up a program that has been systemically bad for over a decade now

 

[phil77]

the truth is that you are both right. You have to have a boatload of Nil to be who we want to be and who we think we are. But all the money in the world doesn't make a bad coach a good coach. We need both. Somehow, and I can't see how, we have to merge these two sides. LOL I would give it a go but after my attempt to get AW back in good grace, I will let someone else carry the ball on this one.

So if these are the top options:

Bad coach (without naming names) + tier 1 NIL
or
Good coach (without naming names) + bottom tier 2/top tier 3 NIL


I would choose the bottom choice 100 out of 100 because it would be more consistent, as NIL dollars couldn't be relied upon year after year, but a good coach with systems can get the best out of the talent he is able to get and the lower NIL dollars will remain consistent.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Two great front court players, but you still need guards.

He had good guards early in his tenure and still couldn’t score. Can we just admit he’s clueless when it comes to offense. It’s all midrange.

 

[Briancuse]

It always makes me laugh too how people believe that there are all these magical assistants laying around everywhere just waiting to fix up a program that has been systemically bad for over a decade now

Jai Lucas has done pretty well resurrecting Miami.

 

[sufan59]

So if these are the top options:

Bad coach (without naming names) + tier 1 NIL
or
Good coach (without naming names) + bottom tier 2/top tier 3 NIL


I would choose the bottom choice 100 out of 100 because it would be more consistent, as NIL dollars couldn't be relied upon year after year, but a good coach with systems can get the best out of the talent he is able to get and the lower NIL dollars will remain consistent.

I would do the same as well and hopefully overtime showing the value of good coaching you get the resources increased. It’s frustrating because Syracuse should be able to have both immediately.