Cole Swider Transferring from Nova to Syracuse

[orangefog]

May I suggest an off-season online checkers league? Maybe backgammon?

 

[two3zone]

I was being tongue in cheek... I have come to terms that you aren't seeing the same things I am when watching the same video.

I guess that's why they play the games

That’s why they have statistics. End of the day, 1 shot inside the arc per game.

 

[Orangezoo]

So if he played the 5, 6 rebounds and .2 blocks per 40 is acceptable? You should get that by accident. It’s the Big East for Christ sake.

You are talking about a Nova team that averaged 2.6 and 1.6 blocks per game the past two years- they don't emphasize protecting the rim with their small ball approach.

As for rebounds it's a system thing. We don't know how he will do rebounding the zone. I think we all agree it's about optimism in those of us speculating him rebounding well given his size as much as anything. Not gonna shy away from that stat being worrisome. Cole himself mentioned rebounding in the post commit interviews.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

That’s why they have statistics. End of the day, 1 shot inside the arc per game.

Function of the offensive design, as well.

 

[two3zone]

Function of the offensive design, as well.

Hopefully it’s the design with him here too then, don’t really want him posting up or banging around.

 

[Orangezoo]

Using the Griffin example- we always look at transfers to add something and improve as well.

Griffin averaged .4 blocks per 40 at Illinois and then 2.1 per 40 here for example. Some of that I think was him being challenged a lot like I said but still that was a big jump. Also he went from 1.3 assists per 40 to 2.4. Both you could say were legit concerns but he was a lot better in one case and somewhat in the other.

So the hope here is Cole's jump is on the rebounding side especially while being a year better offensively.

 

[pearl31]

Stop

great idea

 

[djcon57]

Yet Griff doubled the rebound output for Illinois that Swider did at Nova.

They played different positions. You know this

 

[djcon57]

But somehow - Eli wasn’t?

Nor Mali?

Mali wasn’t a great rebounder at all.
Eli had his moments

 

[two3zone]

great idea

I see you’re adding nothing as per usual.

 

[two3zone]

They played different positions. You know this

Which is even more insane, one was a small forward and one was a center. This would work if there positions were swapped.

 

[Orangezoo]

Which is even more insane, one was a small forward and one was a center. This would work if there positions were swapped.

Of the top 50 rebounders in the country last year 8 are listed as Centers, 5 as guards and 37 forwards. In total 20/50 of the top rebounders are listed as 6-7 or shorter.

 

[two3zone]

Of the top 50 rebounders in the country last year 8 are listed as Centers, 5 as guards and 37 forwards. In total 20/50 of the top rebounders are listed as 6-7 or shorter.

Where was swider listed? Nevermind, the things he isn’t good at don’t matter anymore.

 

[Orangezoo]

Where was swider listed? Nevermind, the things he isn’t good at don’t matter anymore.

Wasn't the point just saying how positions don't really make the case on rebounding numbers. If Cole puts up 6 boards a game in 27-30 mpg that would be the improvement we would be looking for based upon his Nova numbers and effectively do what we are looking for from his position. It wouldn't be any kind of crazy improvement but a fairly reasonable jump from his per 40 numbers.

Anything above that is gravy from him.

 

[two3zone]

Wasn't the point just saying how positions don't really make the case on rebounding numbers. If Cole puts up 6 boards a game in 27-30 mpg that would be the improvement we would be looking for based upon his Nova numbers and effectively do what we are looking for from his position. It wouldn't be any kind of crazy improvement but a fairly reasonable jump from his per 40 numbers

Agreed, for me to get off his back, he needs to average what you’re saying, about 8 per 40.

I stick to my point that I’m glad he’s here and he is an asset, I just don’t think he is close to what people think he is, especially on the defensive side.

 

[pearl31]

trying to imagine what it must be like to spend significant time/effort shouting down ppl that have the audacity to posit that there's a decent chance a transfer player will end up being a net-positive for the team you're supposedly a fan of

 

[Orangezoo]

Agreed, for me to get off his back, he needs to average what you’re saying, about 8 per 40.

I stick to my point that I’m glad he’s here and he is an asset, I just don’t think he is close to what people think he is, especially on the defensive side.

I don't think it's a stretch given it was an off season focal point he made in both his rebounding and lateral mobility. At least coming in he wasn't shy about what he needed to work on.

Defensively it's going to come down to our Centers. We were not good on D the past two years and the zone wasn't just struggling up top it was easy pickings often down low. Jesse can hopefully make Cole look like a better defender paired with at least some improvements mentioned above. Benny should be a plus defender given his size and athleticism question marks being his positioning.

I suspect if we are gonna get roasted it will be in covering the perimeter. The easy looks inside should come down. My bigger worry is defending the 3 ball.

 

[two3zone]

I don't think it's a stretch given it was an off season focal point he made in both his rebounding and lateral mobility. At least coming in he wasn't shy about what he needed to work on.

Defensively it's going to come down to our Centers. We were not good on D the past two years and the zone wasn't just struggling up top it was easy pickings often down low. Jesse can hopefully make Cole look like a better defender paired with at least some improvements mentioned above. Benny should be a plus defender given his size and athleticism question marks being his positioning.

I suspect if we are gonna get roasted it will be in covering the perimeter. The easy looks inside should come down. My bigger worry is defending the 3 ball.

Last year all of our forwards could get to the front of the zone quickly to help Buddy and Joe, I don’t think Jimmy and Cole will be able to do that. And if one side isn’t doing it I doubt Benny will be asked to.

The good thing is the zone is naturally good against the three.

 

[RealMcNeil]

Agreed, for me to get off his back, he needs to average what you’re saying, about 8 per 40.

I stick to my point that I’m glad he’s here and he is an asset, I just don’t think he is close to what people think he is, especially on the defensive side.

Same in-conference DRB% as Griffin last year. Stats tell a story, often only the one the narrator chooses.

 

[hoopsupstate]

Last year all of our forwards could get to the front of the zone quickly to help Buddy and Joe, I don’t think Jimmy and Cole will be able to do that. And if one side isn’t doing it I doubt Benny will be asked to.

The good thing is the zone is naturally good against the three.

They had the ability to get out, but they fell asleep a good percentage of the time. A little extra effort, with additional size might make a difference.

 

[two3zone]

Same in-conference DRB% as Griffin last year. Stats tell a story, often only the one the narrator chooses.

Fair, I appreciate the numbers. I hope he keeps it up here, we’re going to need it.

 

[kcsu]

Spot on. I’m hoping Benny can be that guy (a slasher similar to Kris Jo and CJ) or that Joe can at least be serviceable getting into the lane. Kadary was such a huge loss on the dribble penetration front.

Gigantic loss. He would have been perfect with this group. Top 20 with him at the point.

 

[Niastri]

Gigantic loss. He would have been perfect with this group. Top 20 with him at the point.

Life is a lot easier when you are looking ahead instead of back.

 

[DCUNITED13]

To parahprase ODDBALL from "Kelly's Heros"

 

[Eagles20]

Wow, may want to check YouTube out. I get it, Griffin folded at the end of the year and he’s public enemy number one around here. But he is far more talented than Swider will ever be. Better shooter? No. Everything else? Absolutely.

Your opinion is he is more talented, but is he a better fit for the team?