Conley is done..

[IthacaBarrel]

I have bit my tongue on the Conley situation for a bit, and will continue to do so.

However, I will ask you to answer this question. Would you be upset replacing Dan with a Specials and Linebackers coach with 8 years experience at schools like West Virginia Tech, Canisius, and Wagner?

Kind of my point...

 

[kingottoiii]

Kind of my point...

Couldn't the same be said of the majority of our staff?

Would you be upset if we hired an OL coach as HC with no HCing or OCing experience and has been out of the CFB for 8 years?

or

Would you be upset if we hired an OC whose only experience is being a quality control coach and a dance instructor?

or

Would you be upset if we hired a WR coach with zero coaching experience?

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I don't disagree with you but we hired a career ST guy and he wans't very good either or at least we thought until it got worse this year. A career OC that was fired year one, fired a D line coach who had plenty of experience.

 

[OrangePA]

I ran a fairly large company. Each time a manager would come to me and say " I heard that so and so is looking for a job" my reply was always the same. It is on us to create an enviornment so positive that people want to work here. You can never blame an employee for looking. Why wouldnt Dan or any other coach look? They have year to year contracts and DM has just let him go. So much for my comment on Doug being a class act in this situation. Unfortunately im not surprised

So a lot of your employees were looking to leave your company???

Just sayin.

 

[OrangePA]

Couldn't the same be said of the majority of our staff?

Would you be upset if we hired an OL coach as HC with no HCing or OCing experience and has been out of the CFB for 8 years?

or

Would you be upset if we hired an OC whose only experience is being a quality control coach and a dance instructor?

or

Would you be upset if we hired a WR coach with zero coaching experience?

Vince Lombardi was never a HC before he was hired.

Tom Landry was never a HC before he was hired.

Andy Reid was never a coordinator before he was hired.

Do we really need to review this issue again?

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Vince Lombardi was never a HC before he was hired.

Tom Landry was never a HC before he was hired.

Andy Reid was never a coordinator before he was hired.

Do we really need to review this issue again?

Were they NFL assistants that then came back to the college game after 8 years? This isn't 1962

 

[kingottoiii]

Vince Lombardi was never a HC before he was hired.

Tom Landry was never a HC before he was hired.

Andy Reid was never a coordinator before he was hired.

Do we really need to review this issue again?

1. NFL is not the same as CFB. I don't think it is as important in the pros as you are more of a CEO than a coach/play caller.

2. Lombardi and Landry were the brains behind the Giants championship teams. They were very successful before becoming HCs.

3. I have never liked Reid's game management. Also I think that he never maximized McNabb's talents. IMO he owes a lot of his success to Johnson. But I guess you have a point because Marrone has poor game management, does not maximize his O talent, and owes his success to Shafer. Good call.

 

[kingottoiii]

I don't disagree with you but we hired a career ST guy and he wans't very good either or at least we thought until it got worse this year. A career OC that was fired year one, fired a D line coach who had plenty of experience.

I have no issue with Conley being fired if he is a poor coach. My point has been it appears that several of our coaches are not doing the job as well. In addition Conley seemed like a decent recruiter, while some of these other guys have brought in no one. I like that Conley was being held accountable. I don't like that the others are not.

 

[VaSaltine]

I put myself in Conley's shoes and I can't see myself doing anything differently. At the end of the day his ultimate responsibility is taking care of his family. By continuing to look around he exposed himself to being terminated and it ultimately backfired on him. ASSUMING all this is true, how the hell are you careless enough to let your employer find out you are looking for something else?

 

[Aweart23]

I have no issue with Conley being fired if he is a poor coach. My point has been it appears that several of our coaches are not doing the job as well. In addition Conley seemed like a decent recruiter, while some of these other guys have brought in no one. I like that Conley was being held accountable. I don't like that the others are not.

Who did Dan recruit?

I know of one current commit that he recruited- Dontez Ford. Who else?

 

[Moontan]

What bothers me is that Marrone deemed conley more of a problem then Hackett

That's quite a leap.

Just because OCSS knew which changes he wanted to make sooner (possibly midway through the year, or earlier), doesn't mean that HCDM has completed his assessment of the offensive staff.

The coaches' conference is Jan 7-11. Expect offensive staff non-renewals to leak before then. Expect replacement staff to be announced 7-10 days after the conference.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I have no issue with Conley being fired if he is a poor coach. My point has been it appears that several of our coaches are not doing the job as well. In addition Conley seemed like a decent recruiter, while some of these other guys have brought in no one. I like that Conley was being held accountable. I don't like that the others are not.

How do you know that others are not? What is the criteria from A-Z that these assistants are being be held accountable for? I don't know, but it seems that you do, so can you let me know what that criteria is. For all we know, Conley was talking trash about Marrone or not listening to what he was told to do? Like I said, I have no idea but there are 10,000 reasons as to why people get fired.

If a position coach is doing everything that his boss deems necessary than he will most likely not be fired regardless of what fans think. The program is Marrone's, at the end of the day he will be judged with what goes on with regard to everything, his staff are good banter for fans but if he is comfortable with who he is hired then at at the end of the day, that who he is willing to risk his livelihood with. You also have to have guys that will remain loyal to you and not get carried away or become to close to the kids

 

[GoSU96]

How do you know that others are not? What is the criteria from A-Z that these assiatnts are being be held accountable for? I don't know, but it seems that you do, so can you let me know what that criteria is. For all we know, Conley was talking trash about Marrone or not listening to what he was told to do? Like I said, I have no idea

Sound and fury signifying nothing.

 

[kingottoiii]

How do you know that others are not? What is the criteria from A-Z that these assistants are being be held accountable for? I don't know, but it seems that you do, so can you let me know what that criteria is. For all we know, Conley was talking trash about Marrone or not listening to what he was told to do? Like I said, I have no idea but there are 10,000 reasons as to why people get fired

I agree we may not know the whole story. And if that is the case I agree Conley should have been let go.

That being said I still think everyone did a poor job this year. Name me a unit that got better as the year went on? Why was the secondary consistently blowing coverages? Why did the OLBs not improve? Why did the DEs outside Chandler (an NFL talent) regress this year? Why did the OL stink so bad with 4 returning starters? Why did one of those guys regress so much? Why did Chew disappear? Why did none of the other WRs outside of Lemon show a thing? Who is teaching our QBs? Name me NJ recruits we are involved with? Who is our Fla guy? We cannot sustain a program on NYC area kids.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I agree we may not know the whole story. And if that is the case I agree Conley should have been let go.

That being said I still think everyone did a poor job this year. Name me a unit that got better as the year went on? Why was the secondary consistently blowing coverages? Why did the OLBs not improve? Why did the DEs outside Chandler (an NFL talent) regress this year? Why did the OL stink so bad with 4 returning starters? Why did one of those guys regress so much? Why did Chew disappear? Why did none of the other WRs outside of Lemon show a thing? Who is teaching our QBs? Name me NJ recruits we are involved with? Who is our Fla guy? We cannot sustain a program on NYC area kids.

Hey, I agree. Those are questions only Marrone can answer. My point is this, you can't fire everyone and certainly there are issues but marrone needs to answer the biggest ones at the assistant spots where he feels it is lacking most and it seems that he is prepared to do that. He has run out of time trying to create an ideal staff so he needs to do the best he can right now because it's year 4. Thus, I think he will keep who he thinks he can work with the best even though they may not be perfect. That is business anywhere and hindsight is 20/20.

Personally, I think he has done a very poor job putting a staff together that can recruit. I know for a fact, that Angelichio at Rutgers via Pitt, inquired last year with Syracuse and was told there was no room at the inn. Again, a guy that can recruit who has more experience at the TE position as well as being an OC than Hackett, granted at a lower level. Recruiting is much easier if a guy knows 25-30 high school coaches alreadywith established programs as opposed to starting from ground zero as many of Dougs coaches are/were.

 

[OrangePA]

1. NFL is not the same as CFB. I don't think it is as important in the pros as you are more of a CEO than a coach/play caller.

2. Lombardi and Landry were the brains behind the Giants championship teams. They were very successful before becoming HCs.

3. I have never liked Reid's game management. Also I think that he never maximized McNabb's talents. IMO he owes a lot of his success to Johnson. But I guess you have a point because Marrone has poor game management, does not maximize his O talent, and owes his success to Shafer. Good call.

More of a CEO in pro football. So, I guess that pretty much negates the "Reid did not maximized McNabb's talent" argumennt since Andy was merely the CEO not a hands-0n coach. And I guess that also negates the time management argument as well?

You really believe by the way that Andy Reid never maximized McNabb's talent??

Really?

Under Reid Donovan McNabb went to five NFC Championship games in ten years and went to one Super Bowl.

I loved him, but McNabb was a moderately talented QB, who was not particularlyl accurate and not able to throw a catchable pass. He has done nothing since he left the Eagles - part of that is that he has not had Reid there to accomodate his abilities.

The "Marrone does not maximize his offensive talent" talk is nonsense. We simply do not have much offensive talent right now. We don't have a WR who can hit a home run like Mike Williams did Marrone's first year - heck we don't have a WR who can bust tight coverage - and don't have an RB who can take it the house either. Our QB is a quality guy who serviceable but has medium to poor feet and can't thrown long accurately.

Do you really think we have a single first, second or third round pick on the offense right now?

And stop also with the "game management" silliness. It's a hackneyed complant that is leveled at every coach at some point in time.

I understand now that you have explained your position, that one can be a solid HC without previous HC experience provided the person has the right "brains."

Well, that begs the question - what do you know about Marrone's brain or Hackett's brain? Have you ever met either one of them? Have you talked football with either one?

I suspect that you have no idea what Hackett - who grew up in the football coaching business - knows about offensive football.

Sorry, but this kind of post bothers me. A fan who like me knows nothing about football questioning the football acumen of a professional coach without any basis for doing so. Sorry again.

 

[OrangePA]

I agree we may not know the whole story. And if that is the case I agree Conley should have been let go.

That being said I still think everyone did a poor job this year. Name me a unit that got better as the year went on? Why was the secondary consistently blowing coverages? Why did the OLBs not improve? Why did the DEs outside Chandler (an NFL talent) regress this year? Why did the OL stink so bad with 4 returning starters? Why did one of those guys regress so much? Why did Chew disappear? Why did none of the other WRs outside of Lemon show a thing? Who is teaching our QBs? Name me NJ recruits we are involved with? Who is our Fla guy? We cannot sustain a program on NYC area kids.

Just off the top of my head, I think Lemon got better. Graham got better. Provo got better. The OL got better - by the end of the game the OL was pushing Pitt all over the field. I think Diabate had some very good moments as the season progressed. I think Kevin Scott got better. I think Nassib was a better QB by the end of the season, though I do believe he has probably reached the limits of his talent.

I am not convinced that Chandler Jones is an NFL player.

I do think the LBs and DBs were very young and that that hurt a lot.

 

[Aweart23]

Just off the top of my head, I think Lemon got better. Graham got better. Provo got better. The OL got better - by the end of the game the OL was pushing Pitt all over the field. I think Diabate had some very good moments as the season progressed. I think Kevin Scott got better. I think Nassib was a better QB by the end of the season, though I do believe he has probably reached the limits of his talent.

I am not convinced that Chandler Jones is an NFL player.

I do think the LBs and DBs were very young and that that hurt a lot.

Jerome Smith got better...

And this isn't basketball where you can see players progress and improve during the season. By the time November rolls around, most of these kids are banged up in some way. Time to measure football progress is in the spring into summer/fall camps...

 

[kingottoiii]

Personally, I think he has done a very poor job putting a staff together that can recruit. I know for a fact, that Angelichio at Rutgers via Pitt, inquired last year with Syracuse and was told there was no room at the inn. Again, a guy that can recruit who has more experience at the TE position as well as being an OC than Hackett, granted at a lower level. Recruiting is much easier if a guy knows 25-30 high school coaches alreadywith established programs as opposed to starting from ground zero as many of Dougs coaches are/were.

Wow if that is true then Marrone has a lot of explaining to do. He could have let Brumbaugh or Conley or Hackett go.

 

[Cadillac]

Personally, I think he has done a very poor job putting a staff together that can recruit. I know for a fact, that Angelichio at Rutgers via Pitt, inquired last year with Syracuse and was told there was no room at the inn. Again, a guy that can recruit who has more experience at the TE position as well as being an OC than Hackett, granted at a lower level. Recruiting is much easier if a guy knows 25-30 high school coaches alreadywith established programs as opposed to starting from ground zero as many of Dougs coaches are/were.

Oof.

 

[OrangePA]

Jerome Smith got better...

And this isn't basketball where you can see players progress and improve during the season. By the time November rolls around, most of these kids are banged up in some way. Time to measure football progress is in the spring into summer/fall camps...

You're right, I forgot about Jerome.

He was a pretty decent RB by the time the Pitt game came along.

 

[omniorange]

Honestly, I could care less that DC was fired. Those are the HC's decisions since ultimately his job is on the line by who he has on staff.

In all frankness, this isn't a very good staff overall, so unless he improves it quickly it's just another reason I don't see Marrone lasting beyond 5 years.

Hope he proves me wrong because if it turns out he is "the one", we'll have a lifer here. But, when it comes to our football program, I'm from Mizzou and not upstate New York.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[kingottoiii]

More of a CEO in pro football. So, I guess that pretty much negates the "Reid did not maximized McNabb's talent" argumennt since Andy was merely the CEO not a hands-0n coach. And I guess that also negates the time management argument as well? Time management is on the CEO.

You really believe by the way that Andy Reid never maximized McNabb's talent?? Yes a passing game built around short passes and precision was not a good idea for a QB who struggles with accuracy. IMO McNabb woulda been better with a traditional pro set O. Or and O that allowed him to throw it down the field more. Or an O that moved the pocket and encouraged him to run more. IMO the type of QB needed to flourish in Reid's system where the same as McNabb's weaknesses.

Really?

Under Reid Donovan McNabb went to five NFC Championship games in ten years and went to one Super Bowl. He is a very good player and the O was best when he improvised. Not when he was in the pocket throwing quick dumps at WRs feet.

I loved him, but McNabb was a moderately talented QB, who was not particularlyl accurate and not able to throw a catchable pass. He has done nothing since he left the Eagles - part of that is that he has not had Reid there to accomodate his abilities. I agree and all those things you listed are very important to Reid's system. Which makes McNabb a bad fit. He has doen nothing since because he has nothing left.

The "Marrone does not maximize his offensive talent" talk is nonsense. We simply do not have much offensive talent right now. We don't have a WR who can hit a home run like Mike Williams did Marrone's first year - heck we don't have a WR who can bust tight coverage - and don't have an RB who can take it the house either. Our QB is a quality guy who serviceable but has medium to poor feet and can't thrown long accurately.

Do you really think we have a single first, second or third round pick on the offense right now?

And stop also with the "game management" silliness. It's a hackneyed complant that is leveled at every coach at some point in time.

I understand now that you have explained your position, that one can be a solid HC without previous HC experience provided the person has the right "brains." In CFB how often do you see a guy become HC without any OC or DC experience? It is rare. I am not talking about be successful but being hired, period. Lets take a look at the BE. Holtz had HC experience. Schiano had BCS DC experience. Strong had BCS DC experience. Coach P had HC experience. Davis had HC experience. Holgerson had BCS OC experience. Graham had HC experience. Petersen had OC experience. Jones had HC experience. Long had HC experience. Sumlin had BCS OC experience. O'leary had HC experience. So out of the 13 BE FB teams (8 current and 5 future), Marrone was the only one that was a position coach. Has nothing to do with brains.

Well, that begs the question - what do you know about Marrone's brain or Hackett's brain? Have you ever met either one of them? Have you talked football with either one? Hunh? I think Belichick is a smart FB coach. But he needed time to get to where he is today. He wasn't any dumber when he failed in Cleveland. He just wasn't ready. Maybe Hackett one day will be a very good OC. But right now he has NO experience and is trying to learn on the job. That is a recipe for disaster.

I suspect that you have no idea what Hackett - who grew up in the football coaching business - knows about offensive football.

Sorry, but this kind of post bothers me. A fan who like me knows nothing about football questioning the football acumen of a professional coach without any basis for doing so. Sorry again.

 

[Dmcnabbrules]

Marrone sucks he won 4 games his first year one or two plays away from 6 & 6. Took him two years to get back to a bowl and win. Win against a team from that horrible Big 12 conference. Third year ok maybe that sucked a little. This is not a terrible staff and Marrone is not a terrible coach. Lets see what happens in the next two years. Guys that suck GRob and Locksley. Those guys were awful. Dan Conley was a holdover who was given three years. I would say that is a fair shot. Obviously with the changes that were made last season it was clear Conley had a short leash. He was loved as a player but he doesn't have a stellar resume as a coach.

 

[cayugacuse]

I put myself in Conley's shoes and I can't see myself doing anything differently. At the end of the day his ultimate responsibility is taking care of his family. By continuing to look around he exposed himself to being terminated and it ultimately backfired on him. ASSUMING all this is true, how the hell are you careless enough to let your employer find out you are looking for something else?

Whats wrong with looking around at the job market??? Don't believe Peyton wanted to fire Marrone when the SU job opened up...