Conley is done..

[qdawgg]

Whats wrong with looking around at the job market??? Don't believe Peyton wanted to fire Marrone when the SU job opened up...

Marrone asked Payton if it was ok first. Had he not done that then Payton would have been more then in his right to let him go.

 

[Rocco]

Win against a team from that horrible Big 12 conference.

Oh.

 

[Dcuse]

More of a CEO in pro football. So, I guess that pretty much negates the "Reid did not maximized McNabb's talent" argumennt since Andy was merely the CEO not a hands-0n coach. And I guess that also negates the time management argument as well?

You really believe by the way that Andy Reid never maximized McNabb's talent??

Really?

Under Reid Donovan McNabb went to five NFC Championship games in ten years and went to one Super Bowl.

I loved him, but McNabb was a moderately talented QB, who was not particularlyl accurate and not able to throw a catchable pass. He has done nothing since he left the Eagles - part of that is that he has not had Reid there to accomodate his abilities.

The "Marrone does not maximize his offensive talent" talk is nonsense. We simply do not have much offensive talent right now. We don't have a WR who can hit a home run like Mike Williams did Marrone's first year - heck we don't have a WR who can bust tight coverage - and don't have an RB who can take it the house either. Our QB is a quality guy who serviceable but has medium to poor feet and can't thrown long accurately.

Do you really think we have a single first, second or third round pick on the offense right now?

And stop also with the "game management" silliness. It's a hackneyed complant that is leveled at every coach at some point in time.

I understand now that you have explained your position, that one can be a solid HC without previous HC experience provided the person has the right "brains."

Well, that begs the question - what do you know about Marrone's brain or Hackett's brain? Have you ever met either one of them? Have you talked football with either one?

I suspect that you have no idea what Hackett - who grew up in the football coaching business - knows about offensive football.

Sorry, but this kind of post bothers me. A fan who like me knows nothing about football questioning the football acumen of a professional coach without any basis for doing so. Sorry again.

As soon as this quote spewed out-
" McNabb was a moderately talented QB"- you lose credibility for having any football intelligence . There was no need to write anything after that although it looks like you wrote quite a bit.

 

[Millhouse]

I have bit my tongue on the Conley situation for a bit, and will continue to do so.

However, I will ask you to answer this question. Would you be upset replacing Dan with a Specials and Linebackers coach with 8 years experience at schools like West Virginia Tech, Canisius, and Wagner?

we need someone with a better hip hop dance background

 

[Chip]

As soon as this quote spewed out-
" McNabb was a moderately talented QB"- you lose credibility for having any football intelligence . There was no need to write anything after that although it looks like you wrote quite a bit.

Not to mention that Reid used his first ever pick, a #2 overall, on McNabb, thereby deciding to build his entire team and head coaching career around him. Not a lot of guys do that with moderately talented QBs. They wait until later rounds. Guess he just likes a challenge.

 

[rrlbees]

The disconcerting thing is the constant flux in the staff and roster.

 

[Whitey23]

The disconcerting thing is the constant flux in the staff and roster.

Didn't auburn lose their offensive and defensive coordinators...

 

[rrlbees]

Didn't auburn lose their offensive and defensive coordinators...

no idea but i'm talking every year.

 

[orangepassion]

The disconcerting thing is the constant flux in the staff and roster.

My concern is more in regards to the roster...and then when we're terrible in ST, it's b/c we're low in numbers.

 

[kcsu]

not according to what Hoov50 was hearing

he said that at the end of the year, HCDM was micro-managing the D side of things and very involved with the D

Gee that is comforting the guy who has up our O is micro managing Shafers D. Wow that is really great news. What the hell does Doug about the D side of the ball other than the fact that he cant score against many of them?

 

[kcsu]

The class move by Marrone was offering Dan a S&C job, the nieve part was him actually believing he would take it and wouldn't look for another job. At Dan's age who wants to be demoted? We had a guy that whiffed on his desire to own part of our business, he said he would remain in his current role with a slight bump in pay, he was granted the raise, the next week he had the area peppered with resumes and was leading quite a smear campaign, upon hearing that... his stuff was packed and waiting for him at the front door the next morning his company truck keys handed over and his wife came and picked him up... NEXT. It's part of being the boss. 6 years later, I doubt he is anywhere near the level financially he was with us and is on his 3rd different job but still doesn't hesitate to run our company down to anyone who will listen

For Gods sake IB it is a strength and C job. If the guy wants to look for a coaching job who can blame him. Now im not sure what DM told Dan when he gave him the job so who knows but come on we are not talking about something critical and if Doug was a decent guy he would have given him the net and told him to look.

 

[kcsu]

For Gods sake IB it is a strength and C job. If the guy wants to look for a coaching job who can blame him. Now im not sure what DM told Dan when he gave him the job so who knows but come on we are not talking about something critical and if Doug was a decent guy he would have given him the net and told him to look.

 

[CIL]

Gee that is comforting the guy who has up our O is micro managing Shafers D. Wow that is really great news. What the hell does Doug about the D side of the ball other than the fact that he cant score against many of them?

Calm down -- you have absolutely no idea what is going on behind closed doors, and stop acting as if you do. This is a good thing. There's a reason why Dan was given less responsibility last year.

I see a guy attempting to change some faults with his philosophies and staff Just wait until you see how this offseason plays out. You're beginning to sound like a broken record.

 

[Aweart23]

 

[GoSU96]

Calm down -- you have absolutely no idea what is going on behind closed doors, and stop acting as if you do.

Yep

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Oof.

Brian is a single guy as well, works his farking ass off, tough to find in a lot of these coaches. Anyone who has kids know that things change... We whiffed on that big time. Probably could have taken over the TE's and really have made a difference on the recruiting trail... He is a Northeast guy with great contacts throughout PA, NJ, and NYS. I know it was D3 Ball but he spent 10 years at Ithaca College recruiting at the same programs that he does for Rutgers and when he was at Pitt, you are just recruiting the top talent as opposed to the D3 guys but the coaches are the same. JUst my 2 cents but if you are looking for recruiters then he is fantastic, again a guy that could grow into the OC position as well, but oh well. He's a guy that will get bumped at some point to the OC level

 

[Scooch]

Gee that is comforting the guy who has up our O is micro managing Shafers D. Wow that is really great news. What the hell does Doug about the D side of the ball other than the fact that he cant score against many of them?

Remember when you apologized for acting all crazy?

Yeah, you should re-read that.

 

[Cadillac]

Brian is a single guy as well, works his farking ass off, tough to find in a lot of these coaches. Anyone who has kids know that things change... We whiffed on that big time. Probably could have taken over the TE's and really have made a difference on the recruiting trail... He is a Northeast guy with great contacts throughout PA, NJ, and NYS. I know it was D3 Ball but he spent 10 years at Ithaca College recruiting at the same programs that he does for Rutgers and when he was at Pitt, you are just recruiting the top talent as opposed to the D3 guys but the coaches are the same. JUst my 2 cents but if you are looking for recruiters then he is fantastic, again a guy that could grow into the OC position as well, but oh well. He's a guy that will get bumped at some point to the OC level

I remember his name coming up last year and thinking, damn, he'd be a great fit but didn't hear we had a shot at him, much less he inquired.

The coaching moves so far haven't bothered me, but that does.

 

[OrangePA]

As soon as this quote spewed out-
" McNabb was a moderately talented QB"- you lose credibility for having any football intelligence . There was no need to write anything after that although it looks like you wrote quite a bit.

Sorry.

Donovan McNabb was a great college QB whose primary threat was his ability to run.

Early in his career in Philly - I live here and watched every game he played - he ran a bit, but ultimately became a very chuncky QB - over 250 pounds - who was no longer much of a running threat.

He was never a particularly accurate passer - his short throws in the dirt became the stuff of legend here in Philadelphia.

He was a very good leader and ran Reid's offense very effectively.

He was a talented player. He was not a supremely talented player.

Lets review his contemporaries. P. Manning, E. Manning, D. Brees, Rivers, Favre, A. Rodgers, Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, Carson Palmer, Roethlisberger, Kerry Collins, Steve McNair and on and on.

One could argue that McNabb was better than Collins and perhaps Carson Palmer, but he was not better than the others.

I love him, but I recognize what he was - a very good NFL QB but not a great one.
Sorry.

 

[OrangePA]

Not to mention that Reid used his first ever pick, a #2 overall, on McNabb, thereby deciding to build his entire team and head coaching career around him. Not a lot of guys do that with moderately talented QBs. They wait until later rounds. Guess he just likes a challenge.

So draft selection is the measure of greatness?

Really?

Lets see, the Browns drafted Tim Couch number one that year. The Bengals drafted Akili Smith number three that year. The Vikings drafted Daunte Culpepper number eleven that year and the Bears drafted Cade McNown number twelve that year.

Were they all great players?

Certainly Couch, Smith and McNown were not.

Culpepper had his moments, but he was probably not great.

McNabb was a very good NFL QB. But he was probably not a great one and not a supremely talented one.

That doesn't mean that he wasn't effective - he certainly was.

But he was not Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Favre, Brees, Rivers, Manning, et al. Those in my mind are/were talented NFL QBs

 

[kcsu]

CIL, you are correct i have no idea what is going on at this point. I did however have good information on the team being split at half time of the Uconn game. If this is a good thing for the program great. Im just sad it couldnt work out for Dan and wish him luck.

Calm down -- you have absolutely no idea what is going on behind closed doors, and stop acting as if you do. This is a good thing. There's a reason why Dan was given less responsibility last year.

I see a guy attempting to change some faults with his philosophies and staff Just wait until you see how this offseason plays out. You're beginning to sound like a broken record.

you

 

[RoysRunts]

Brian is a single guy as well, works his farking ass off, tough to find in a lot of these coaches. Anyone who has kids know that things change... We whiffed on that big time. Probably could have taken over the TE's and really have made a difference on the recruiting trail... He is a Northeast guy with great contacts throughout PA, NJ, and NYS. I know it was D3 Ball but he spent 10 years at Ithaca College recruiting at the same programs that he does for Rutgers and when he was at Pitt, you are just recruiting the top talent as opposed to the D3 guys but the coaches are the same. JUst my 2 cents but if you are looking for recruiters then he is fantastic, again a guy that could grow into the OC position as well, but oh well. He's a guy that will get bumped at some point to the OC level

Brian was O.C. in Pitts last Bowl Game/When Wanny Left.

 

[RoysRunts]

Sorry.

Donovan McNabb was a great college QB whose primary threat was his ability to run.

Early in his career in Philly - I live here and watched every game he played - he ran a bit, but ultimately became a very chuncky QB - over 250 pounds - who was no longer much of a running threat.

He was never a particularly accurate passer - his short throws in the dirt became the stuff of legend here in Philadelphia.

He was a very good leader and ran Reid's offense very effectively.

He was a talented player. He was not a supremely talented player.

Lets review his contemporaries. P. Manning, E. Manning, D. Brees, Rivers, Favre, A. Rodgers, Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, Carson Palmer, Roethlisberger, Kerry Collins, Steve McNair and on and on.

One could argue that McNabb was better than Collins and perhaps Carson Palmer, but he was not better than the others.

I love him, but I recognize what he was - a very good NFL QB but not a great one.
Sorry.

 

[RoysRunts]

The Eagles always drafted Defense 1st, It wasn't until Don's last year in Philly he had a great Receiving Corp, ever when he had T.O. they went to the Super Bowl. Take the other QB's you mentioned and then put receivers who they had next to their name.

 

[Chip]

So draft selection is the measure of greatness?

Really?

Lets see, the Browns drafted Tim Couch number one that year. The Bengals drafted Akili Smith number three that year. The Vikings drafted Daunte Culpepper number eleven that year and the Bears drafted Cade McNown number twelve that year.

Were they all great players?

Certainly Couch, Smith and McNown were not.

Culpepper had his moments, but he was probably not great.

McNabb was a very good NFL QB. But he was probably not a great one and not a supremely talented one.

That doesn't mean that he wasn't effective - he certainly was.

But he was not Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Favre, Brees, Rivers, Manning, et al. Those in my mind are/were talented NFL QBs

You're going a little heavy on the Really soup in this thread.

Very good NFL QB, probably not a great one (could be?), doesn't sound the same as a "moderately talented QB". Didn't sound that way to Dcuse, didn't sound that way to me. My point was that if Andy Reid is as good as you think he is, he would probably shoot for higher than moderately talented with the #2 pick, otherwise just not pick a QB that early. Because others made personnel mistakes with early QBs is irrelevant.

But maybe we have different thoughts on what moderately means.